Historically, they've kept 4 backs but neither Burks or Crockett are good enough/have shown enough to really warrant a spot over other players at a different position. NEither are bringing much value to ST and during the season the team never uses their 3rd back. It's Lacy/Starks and if anybody gets hurt in a game they can line Montgomery back there for some reps. I'd rather use that roster spot on one of the LBers or DB's
BrainDed posted:Nice adjustments Sschumer. One point of contention, I can't see them keeping anything less than 4 TE's.
We only have one FB so they serve as backup there, we have seen a bunch of two TE sets this preseason and MM is known for loving his TE's.
Bradford or fringe DB gets sent to PS for that spot.
BrainDed, good point. It's just that I don't think any of the other TEs are worth keeping. But maybe they keep Backman, go with only 3 RBs like many here are suggesting.
CAPackfan posted:Historically, they've kept 4 backs but neither Burks or Crockett are good enough/have shown enough to really warrant a spot over other players at a different position. NEither are bringing much value to ST and during the season the team never uses their 3rd back. It's Lacy/Starks and if anybody gets hurt in a game they can line Montgomery back there for some reps. I'd rather use that roster spot on one of the LBers or DB's
Sort of true. It was Lacy, Starks and Kuhn. Kuhn saw a lot of 3rd downs because of his blocking.
I don't see Adams as part of the cuts but if they determine that gerrrronnnimoooo can play right now on Sundays, it might mean a wideout gets dealt.
Yeah there's where Ripkowski will obviously come into the equation. I meant the 3rd RB(Crockett). How often was he/Alonzo Harris even active last season? I would understand rostering Crockett/Burks if either showed anything special but both look like run of the mill backs. Keep one or both on the PS and bring one up if injury strikes.
Orlando Wolf posted:I don't see Adams as part of the cuts but if they determine that gerrrronnnimoooo can play right now on Sundays, it might mean a wideout gets dealt.
There's no way Adams is getting cut. It's put up or shut up time for him this season. He's gonna be the #3 WR and ability wise he's the right choice for that role....just has to start producing. Allison has looked good but I just don't see a spot on the roster for him. Hopefully they can stash him on the PS.
Looking at the roster, I'm trying to fit guys who bring ST value considering that unit needs help. Punting is gonna drive me nuts all season long unfortunately but they can at least get some talent on the coverage/return unit. Trevor Davis I'd keep and make him the KR because he's probably their most explosive/quick receiver. I really wish Abbrederis would get the PR job but in the dress rehearsal game we saw Hyde returning punts with the #1 unit. He's sure handed but offers little as far as returning goes. One of the issues with the team is the field position situation. PUnting being a problem and returning being a problem means they'll routinely be giving opponents good starting field position whereas GB will be pinned deep in their own territory too often. Need improvement in both areas this year
Last time Packers didn't go with four backs was 2011 and the lack of depth played a pretty big role in the loss at KC. Be really surprised if they repeat the mistake.
They also didn't have players like Cobb, Monty and Eddie coming out of the backfield.
As much of an Adams fan as I've been his drop on the deep seam from Callahan was wildly disappointing. An UDFA makes a 40 yard pass like that across his body and Adams lets it slip right through his hands. That should have been 7. You can't miss that catch in year three
Adams needs to get his consistency up. Fast.
I had the same reaction. I've defended him plenty since 2014 but that was tough to watch.
Orlando Wolf posted:I don't see Adams as part of the cuts but if they determine that gerrrronnnimoooo can play right now on Sundays, it might mean a wideout gets dealt.
Montgomery under that scenario? He has high trade value and has had a quiet camp. Also primarily a slot guy, which is Cobb's position and Abby also plays.
CAPackfan posted:Orlando Wolf posted:I don't see Adams as part of the cuts but if they determine that gerrrronnnimoooo can play right now on Sundays, it might mean a wideout gets dealt.
... I really wish Abbrederis would get the PR job but in the dress rehearsal game we saw Hyde returning punts with the #1 unit. He's sure handed but offers little as far as returning goes. One of the issues with the team is the field position situation.
In his first 2 seasons Hyde had 3 punt return touchdowns and very good average yd/return (2013, 1 TD/12.3 yards/ret; 2014, 2 TDs/15.8 yds/ret). Very good hands and decision making too.
That ain't chopped liver
Yeah part of that is the blocking. Doesn't matter if you have Abby or Hyde back there, if the blockers aren't making running lanes then the return will fail.
With less than 48 hours until rosters across the NFL must be trimmed to 75 players, the Green Bay Packers have started making their cuts.
The Packers released receiver Ed Williams on Sunday, a league source confirmed. Williams, a 6-foot, 196-pound receiver from Fort Hays State, spent last season on the Packers practice squad.
With Williams released, the Packers now have 11 receivers on their roster. The Packers will have to cut 12 more players to reach their 75-man maximum by 3 p.m. Tuesday.
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Injury updates: Clark confident about Week 1
GREEN BAY - Though he did not travel to California for Friday’s exhibition win over the San Francisco 49ers, rookie first-round pick Kenny Clark is not worried about the severity of his back injury.
“I feel pretty good,” Clark said Sunday. “I mean, I’m not concerned a lot about it. Just a little tightness in my back and just trying to get everything figured out.”
Clark, who dropped out of practice Aug. 22, said he hurt his back coming off the ball against an offensive lineman. When he made his punch — extending both hands into the chest of the lineman — he felt something uncomfortable in his back.
He sat out of practice for the remainder of the week and stayed in Green Bay to avoid the stress of lengthy flights to the West Coast and back.
S Morgan Burnett: Burnett has not practiced or played in more than two weeks since injuring his back shortly before kickoff of the first exhibition game Aug. 12.
His position coach, Darren Perry, expected Burnett to play that night against the Browns.
“Things happen that we can’t control,” Perry said on Aug. 14. “It was a little setback but Morgan will get healthy. When he’s ready to go, he’ll be back out there.”
Burnett has not spoken to the media since the injury, but coach Mike McCarthy said Sunday that worries are minimal as the regular season approaches.
“Just going through the health report this morning with our medical staff, they feel very good about his progress and so forth,” McCarthy said. “I don’t think there’s any long-term concern.”
ILB Joe Thomas: Thomas dropped out of practice last week with a right shin injury, but that was not what kept him out of the exhibition game against the 49ers.
Instead, Thomas is dealing with a muscle problem that, he said, is not very serious. He expects to be a full participant in practice this week.
“I forget the name of the muscle, but it’s somewhere down there,” Thomas said, pointing to his lower body.
Thomas is in the thick of a position battle at inside linebacker, where Sam Barrington, Jake Ryan and Carl Bradford join him in competing for roster spots.
Good sign for roster spots.. Special teams. #Packers rookie S Kentrell Brice was starter on 3/4 core special team units vs SF. (all but PR)
Solid work from Brice & Gunter on kickoff coverage vs SF... Both fluid/natural athletes. Easily stick/avoid blocks, & speed to it run down
Using the temporary IR exemption on Janis (broken hand) doesn’t provide a way out. For a player to be eligible, he has to be on the 53-man roster at final cuts; the next day he can go on IR and then return six weeks later at the earliest. If Janis goes on IR before that, he’s out for the season. But he’s the Packers’ best all-around special teams player, and they want him on the field this year. His injury probably won’t keep him out longer than the first three games of the regular season. source
Didn't know he needed to be on the 53.
I had to check and see if this was a 50 Drunk Naglers column. WR on trade? If TT can pull that off I'd be amazed. Just make it Adams.
If we use the DTR, it may be better to use if for somebody like Crockett or Banjo who may need a longer recovery period.
Janis on IR. I'm sure he'll be much improved not playing for 6 weeks. Waste a roster spot, waste DTR.
It's a good problem to have, but it still sucks potentially losing talent. Davis, Allison, and Janis will all get find work pretty quickly. Janis is such a strong ST player, but does ST skill trump talent at WR? Personally I think the only guys you keep for their ST ability are Kickers, Punters, and Long Snappers. That's not specifically about Janis, I think the same is true for Banjo, Goodson, etc. They need to be able to contribute at their position first and STs second. There are some exceptions like Devin Hester/Dante Hall/etc. Janis is not the equivalent of Devin Hester though, neither is Banjo or Goodson. Fill out your depth with the best on O and D and then pull from there for STs. That leaves Janis, Banjo, Goodson, etc. on the outside looking in.
Henry posted:I had to check and see if this was a 50 Drunk Naglers column. WR on trade? If TT can pull that off I'd be amazed. Just make it Adams.
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Goalline posted:I think he will go on IR FOR THE SEASON.
I'd bet against it. Championship teams need playmakers on STs too
Packers carry 7 inactives each week, he will be one of them.
Then he'll be back after the bye week. Go Packers
Satori posted:Championship teams need playmakers on STs too
Yeah but gunner? I agree with GD. Find a replacement.
Pistol GB posted:Orlando Wolf posted:I don't see Adams as part of the cuts but if they determine that gerrrronnnimoooo can play right now on Sundays, it might mean a wideout gets dealt.
Montgomery under that scenario? He has high trade value and has had a quiet camp. Also primarily a slot guy, which is Cobb's position and Abby also plays.
You would trade Monty to keep Allison? Seriously? He's already had an impact. Let the injury heal and let him rip.
Not my first choice no. I would keep 7 and IR Janis.
The brass likes DA and I think AR does too. He isn't going anywhere, and after last year he gets nothing in a trade.
Monty was still in the last pre-season game, late in the game. Seems like they are looking at him hard. The only film on him is all good. He gets something in a trade. They also don't have him returning kicks anymore.
Again I don't think a trade is going to happen and it is not what I want. But if it were to happen, I'd say Monty would be the bait. Hopefully it won't come to that.
"Ace" ST guys don't grow on trees. There are tall players and there are fast players. But there aren't many that are Tall and Fast and available. Look at the Packers roster right now:
Geronimo is tall and T. Davis is fast, but neither are both. Davis is too puny to play gunner and Geronimo is too slow to get there first.
Janis is goldilocks....just right
I'm guessing the Packers will keep him on the 53, he'll be back on the field after the bye. Good read below to remind us of his ST prowess. When you are building a championship team, you need difference-makers on every unit.
http://archive.jsonline.com/sp...651z1-361754961.html
"He stacks you and he's strong, too. That helps him. Because once he gets on top you're not getting back around him. He did a great job today, but he has been all year."
Safety Chris Banjo, a Packers' special-teamer for three seasons, agreed that Janis has been something special getting by blockers and arriving in the face of punt returners.
"He's been doing that all season," said Banjo. "He just missed some (tackles). If there were a couple he made, we'd be having this conversation a long time ago."
Call a meeting:
"Whoever plans on getting injured, please do it now."
I'd cut Abbrederis sooner than I'd trade Montgomery. For as much as everyone loves Abbrederis the reality is his frame is still small. Full credit to him for the work he's put in, but I think when they drafted him they were hoping he could put more weight on than he has. He's 25 now and I doubt he'll ever get any bigger.
When they drafted Davis I thought he was taken as the new development guy to take Abby's spot. Davis is the same size (with the potential to add muscle), faster, and younger.
Abby's the ultimate practice guy, but there's a big difference between that and producing in games. Abby had his health, his renowned preparation, and his opportunity last year when all the injuries hit and he was put on the 53. Why wasn't he able to take a spot from Adams or force them to use more 4 WR sets to get Richard Rodgers off the field? They needed all the help they could get last year.
I have a hard time seeing Abbrederis as anything more than a slot guy and in that role he's third on the team behind 18 and 88 in my eyes.
I'm not trying to disparage Abbrederis's camp. By all accounts he's been the best WR. I just think he has the smallest upside from a long term potential view. He's a great guy to have on the team, sets the tone in practice and his team mates seemingly love him, but if this roster is as talented as it seems he's a tough keep, imo.
I'm not saying they should cut him, but if I'm TT and I don't think Davis can get to the practice squad it's going to be part of my thought process.
Satori posted:"Ace" ST guys don't grow on trees. There are tall players and there are fast players. But there aren't many that are Tall and Fast and available. Look at the Packers roster right now:
Geronimo is tall and T. Davis is fast, but neither are both. Davis is too puny to play gunner and Geronimo is too slow to get there first.
Janis is goldilocks....just right
I agree that's he's a really good ST player, maybe even elite, but does his ST only skill really trump potential contributions we could get from Allison/Davis at WR? He's a reliable KR also, but again it's not like he's Devin Hester. Maybe the coaches feel different, they may value that more than I do and in that case I would guess Allison gets the boot. Sometimes you end up letting talent get away, just the way it goes sometimes. They may keep 7 initially while Janis is healing though.
Other than the AZ playoff game in '15, Janis had 12 targets for the year with 2 recpts. He's not a threat at WR at this time, and may never be. Too often he lets the defender move him off his route, which is odd considering how good he is at fighting through the blockers as a gunner. Being too shallow, flat, deep on a route really seems to irritate Rodgers, so until Janis gets that part of his game figured out he is only a ST'r. Does that ace skill get him on the 53 before another player who can play STs (even if not to Jani's level) and also contribute on 1st-3rd downs?
Makes me wonder if Janis would be a better DB than WR. He seems to be good at going to where the ball is but has trouble running to where the ball will be in a disciplined way.
Pistol GB posted:Monty was still in the last pre-season game, late in the game. Seems like they are looking at him hard. The only film on him is all good. He gets something in a trade. They also don't have him returning kicks anymore.
Cook played longer than most starters too. McCarthy wanted to give him more reps due to lost time - I believe it was the same with Monty. Can't imagine they are "looking at him hard" in terms of a roster spot or a trade. Monty isn't going anywhere.
Monty retuned a kick off on Friday night.
We just need some guys to make sure Janis' hand stays broken this year...
Oh, but AcmePackingCompany was so sure that he had Masthay whooped this year.
My guess on the cuts for tomorrow. Of course they could make an IR move or two in their moves to get to 75.
Flores, Jacob - C
Dorleant, Makinton - CB
Gatewood, Warren - CB
Jette, Randall - CB
Anderson, Demetris - DL
Mathews, Derrick - ILB
Gilbert, Reggie - OLB
Mortell, Peter - P
Whitehead, Jermaine - S
Pierce, Casey - TE
Binford, Harvey - WR
Waters, Herb - WR