If they wind up franchising him you can bet they'll get something for a trade. TT wouldn't franchise him if he knew there wouldn't be a trading partner or 2 out there for the guy.
If they don't franchise him that means that TT doesn't think the value is there.
I happen to think he will get tagged and they'll get something like a 2nd and a 5th for him. There are just way too many teams out there with terrible QBs and this guy would be a cheap improvement.
Washington
Denver
KC
NY Jets
Buffalo (they can get out of Fitzpatrick contract for not bad according to NFL radio)
Cleveland
Denver
Tampa Bay (they still might be buying into Freeman however)
Seattle
Jacksonville and MN I think are out, not because of $ but because of ego. Neither will want to admit they blew a very high pick on a mediocre QB. Arizona is out due to the contract they gave Kolb, plus the draft picks/players.
It's definitely a tricky situation. But, based on this performance.. i think you have to tag Flynn and get back at least a #2 via trade.
It's a risk, but if a market developed for Kevin Kolb... c'mon. Flynn just threw for 480 and 6 against a playoff team. I think you roll the dice if the cap allows it.
It's a risk, but if a market developed for Kevin Kolb... c'mon. Flynn just threw for 480 and 6 against a playoff team. I think you roll the dice if the cap allows it.
quote:Originally posted by PackLandVA:quote:Originally posted by El-Keil-Bong:
I don't think they will franchise him either. That is a lot of dollars to risk for a trade market that may not develop. Flynn will do well for himself on the open market, but I don't see the trade market being strong enough for Ted to pull that trigger.
This.
I just don't see too many teams will to trade or break the bank on a contract.
I disagree. Over half of the NFL is sitting collectively with their hands on their ballsacks right now because they have dont have a quality quarterback. You'd be silly not to spend at least a #2 on Flynn.
Flynn to Denver to replace Jesus at QB?
I think because a market developed for Kolb is the reason teams might be apprehensive. Is Flynn Scott Mitchell or Matt Cassel or Charlie Whitehurst? But history has shown us, all it takes is one dum GM to overplay his hand for Ted to make his move. I wouldn't give up a second for him, and I'm a fan.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Flynn to Denver to replace Jesus at QB?
It would make sense considering they are sitting somewhere in middle of the draft order.
Turn key prospect.
They can always rescind the tag if the trade market doesn't pan out. Then the risk is that Flynn signs the tender, making that enormous amount of salary guaranteed. IIRC it's on the order of $15M.
I don't think there's ever been an offseason where at least one team didn't horribly overpay for a QB. Flynn will be no different. As Henry said, you can plug him in and start him and know he's not going to be a disaster. The difference between him and Kolb (besides the deathly icon curse) is that Kolb would put up pretty stats but turn it over a lot and lose games. Flynn isn't the same on film.
They'll get value for Flynn.
I don't think there's ever been an offseason where at least one team didn't horribly overpay for a QB. Flynn will be no different. As Henry said, you can plug him in and start him and know he's not going to be a disaster. The difference between him and Kolb (besides the deathly icon curse) is that Kolb would put up pretty stats but turn it over a lot and lose games. Flynn isn't the same on film.
They'll get value for Flynn.
There is now way you franchise a 2nd string QB...none...
Why not? New England did it.
And I'd put money on it that Flynn will wind up better than Cassel - depending on where he goes, of course.
I'm not sure about the particulars of the T-tag, but Flynn won't be getting the F-tag. Seeing Kolb take a dump in ARI is exactly why GM's will not be committing the big guaranteed numbers which would be required to move Flynn in a F-tag & trade deal.
Once the season is over, it seems to me that the team will be focused on resolving the Finley and Wells contract situations before any others. Once those are done, I'd expect GB to start working on extensions for players like Jennings, Rodgers and Matthews. Those contracts are all going to eat up a fair chunk of cap space.
Once the season is over, it seems to me that the team will be focused on resolving the Finley and Wells contract situations before any others. Once those are done, I'd expect GB to start working on extensions for players like Jennings, Rodgers and Matthews. Those contracts are all going to eat up a fair chunk of cap space.
Again - how many FA-type or trade-type young veteran QB's have been acquired by teams over the years? More than I could count. When has there ever been a year that teams shied away from these young-veteran types? None that I can remember. That notion and perhaps that reality-based track record won't stop desperate GM's from trying to 'fix' their QB situation with one move, especially for a guy they can sell as being ready right away. Kevin Kolb sucking won't dry up Flynn's market. Objective number one for every GM that doesn't have a top-notch QB is to get a QB.
If TT can get a good deal for Flynn then he ought to do it.
I've been a fan for 45 years and I don't think it is a long list of backups going to another team and being there rock a qb for a decade of so. The last I can think of might be Mark Burnell.
Heck, I think there are almost as many cases as guys being out of the game and coming back and being the stud qb (Unitas and warner) as there for backups moving to another team and being a decade starter.
If I'm an NFL gm, I don't make the deal.
I've been a fan for 45 years and I don't think it is a long list of backups going to another team and being there rock a qb for a decade of so. The last I can think of might be Mark Burnell.
Heck, I think there are almost as many cases as guys being out of the game and coming back and being the stud qb (Unitas and warner) as there for backups moving to another team and being a decade starter.
If I'm an NFL gm, I don't make the deal.
quote:Originally posted by JJSD:
They can always rescind the tag if the trade market doesn't pan out. Then the risk is that Flynn signs the tender, making that enormous amount of salary guaranteed. IIRC it's on the order of $15M.
The problem is that Flynn would sign the tender immediately. Once he signs the tender, his worst case scenario is backing up Rodgers for a year at 15M, then hitting the market in 2013. He'd be crazy not to sign the tender as soon as it's offered.
Flynn isnt going to sign the tender if he gets tagged. He would know he is then getting traded. It would be worked out where TT and Flynn's agent have an agreement. Just like it happened with NE and Casell.
If he gets the tag, which isnt going to happen.
If he gets the tag, which isnt going to happen.
quote:Originally posted by oldnavy:
If I'm an NFL gm, I don't make the deal.
Just to be clear, I agree with that. However, you can bet there will be some dum GM or three out there who will make that type of a deal, just like every other year.
quote:However, you can bet there will be some dum GM or three out there who will make that type of a deal, just like every other year.
Agree. I wonder who this year's Digger & Kworst trophy award winner will be?
Gotta love Ebay. Flynn's top rookie cards have just skyrocketed in price. What was selling for $15 this morning is now going for 10 times that, and people are still placing bids.
Teams have spent far more on guys that can't play at QB.
Matt Flynn seems to have "it". Whatever that means. He sat behind that fat slob Russell and when given his chance led LSU to a national title. He came in as a low draft pick behind Brian Brohm and outplayed him. He's played behind one of the best QBs in the NFL the last 4 seasons and has obviously learned a lot.
Matt Flynn seems to have "it". Whatever that means. He sat behind that fat slob Russell and when given his chance led LSU to a national title. He came in as a low draft pick behind Brian Brohm and outplayed him. He's played behind one of the best QBs in the NFL the last 4 seasons and has obviously learned a lot.
quote:Originally posted by NJWIS:
Flynn isnt going to sign the tender if he gets tagged. He would know he is then getting traded. It would be worked out where TT and Flynn's agent have an agreement. Just like it happened with NE and Casell.
Not sure why you think Flynn wouldn't sign then tender. Flynn's agent is not going to risk losing the guaranteed 15M based on the idea that TT will eventually work out a trade to his liking.
The problem with franchising him is that he has to be paid the average of the 5 highest QBs, which means somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 million a year. A QB in the draft is not going to make anywhere near that under the new CBA.
So, getting Flynn through a trade if the Packers franchise him means draft picks and a substantial portion of your salary cap.
So, getting Flynn through a trade if the Packers franchise him means draft picks and a substantial portion of your salary cap.
as soon as he signs the tender he pretty much can't be traded because the money hits the cap. And TT wont tag him without having a trade lined up first.
Cassell got tagged but didn't sign the tender.
Cassell got tagged but didn't sign the tender.
For the sake of argument, lets say a tag/trade deal gets done. What kind of pick(s) should GB expect to receive in return?
A 2nd, minimum.
Are you guys sure Cassell was Franchised? What about Schaub when he was with Atlanta?
Cassel was definitely franchised.
Schaub was a restricted free agent.
Schaub was a restricted free agent.
Yes, Cassel was tagged with the understanding he would be traded. His contract was setup before the trade was finalized, hence not signing the tender.
There is a lot of work behind the scenes before it goes down. It isn't just "let's tag him" and hope it all works out.
There is a lot of work behind the scenes before it goes down. It isn't just "let's tag him" and hope it all works out.
geez ya think....dum dums need everything explained to them
Like I said in another thread:
But, if they want to keep ARod, I think Danny Schneider will be willing to pay whatever he has to in order to get him out here.
quote:ARod has got to go.
MFly has waited behind him for long enough!!
But, if they want to keep ARod, I think Danny Schneider will be willing to pay whatever he has to in order to get him out here.
quote:Originally posted by Iowacheese:
geez ya think....dum dums need everything explained to them
So what happens when the tag deadline hits and no deal is imminent?
They flip a coin because that's how it works.
They call "game off".
They call "game off".
heads
Rong again, El-Ka-CoreyHart.
I see a Seattle & GreenBay connection here. Seattle has Tjoke. And, Schneider and TT obviously have a connection. I can see the behind the scenes situation develop where TT and Schneider work out a deal in advance and git-er-done.
There has to be trust in any tag and trade scenario to occur. First, Flynn and his agent would have to have a list of acceptable teams to be traded to. Then there would need to be trust on the compensation to both Flynn and the Packers for the trade. How many good other team situations are out there for TT to trade him to is a good question I dont know the answer to.
If Flynn is not tagged I sincerely hope he chooses his next team wisely, instead of just the highest bidder. He needs, like all QB's, to go to the right situation to best enhance his possibilities for future success.
There has to be trust in any tag and trade scenario to occur. First, Flynn and his agent would have to have a list of acceptable teams to be traded to. Then there would need to be trust on the compensation to both Flynn and the Packers for the trade. How many good other team situations are out there for TT to trade him to is a good question I dont know the answer to.
If Flynn is not tagged I sincerely hope he chooses his next team wisely, instead of just the highest bidder. He needs, like all QB's, to go to the right situation to best enhance his possibilities for future success.
Peter King on NBC said that Washington and Miami are sure to be calling. Will Washington give up Orakpo (have Kerrigan) or vice versa. Camerone Wake wouldn't be too bad either, not sure if they are Woodley type player that fits the blueprint for fixing err, improving the D.
Orakpo opposite CM3 would be outstanding. Anyone else would be stupid to make that trade, but hey it's the Redskins.
no team is going to give up a great player when a 2nd round pick would suffice.
What about the Packers giving up a pick with Flynn for Orakpo or Wake???
player and the pick will be demanded by TT, the pick will then be used to get Joe Thomas 
