quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:
Favre's demeanor in the Chicago game and the NFCC game were enough for me. You could read it from his face.
AMEN.....
AMEN.....
AMEN.....
quote:Originally posted by STEAMBOAT:
Posted 12-24-2007 02:54 PM Favre is no longer a Cold weather QB. He needs nice / dome weather. Old age has caught up to him. He is a below average QB with the weather <30 , where-as in his early years he was great <30. I don't know if Rodgers is the answer, but I do know you need some mobility and strong [young) hands in adverse weather.
Remember this?
Posted 12-23-2007 08:34 PM I've been thinking this for a long time and have argued with my brother about this. I was scared to post anything about it because I didn't want to get blasted.
The PACKERS are not a COLD weather team!!!!!!
1) Favre is getting old (in football years) = his body/hands cannot handle it.
2) Our running game is not superior.
3) Our "O" is built to throw the ball ALOT All Over the Field.
4) Our "O" is built on receivers getting the ball quick while using their SPEED.
5) Our Special Teams are huge to us because of SPEED.
Favre has had little trouble, Actually excelling the last few years in controled weather environments --- warm weather/dome games. He does not fit the bill as a cold weather guy anymore. The Cold has brought out the worst in him lately....
I feel much more comfortable playing on the road / warm/dome than playing at home <20 degrees...
Go Pack!!!!!
Get Healthy!!!!!
And this?
I wasn't referring to playing in Texas Stadium.....
I was just stating an opinion I've had for a long time....
Texas Stadium (while only a 3/4 dome) is better suited for the Pack "O" then <20 in GB....
Steamboat =
How do you stop from rolling off the couch when attempting to blow yourself?
quote:How do you stop from rolling off the couch when attempting to blow yourself?
Why blow myself, when your wife/girlfriend does it for me?
quote:Originally posted by STEAMBOAT:quote:How do you stop from rolling off the couch when attempting to blow yourself?
Why blow myself, when your wife/girlfriend does it for me?
That goat isn't my girlfriend and you're the one who wrote "dick warmer" on the chicken.
Well, Henry, maybe you're right. I'm just a flawed person as are all of us (imperfect discernment).
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
Well, Henry, maybe you're right. I'm just a flawed person as are all of us (imperfect discernment).
Some more than others, like myself.
Recent history? How about his game in a blizzard against a division champion?
Reading some of the posts around here, it seems like we just completed a 3-13 season instead of the other way around. It is sad to see that some people actually believe that we won as many games as we did in spite of Favre, while in reality he was a huge part of our success (I’m not saying that we won only because of him). This was a flawed immature team, which had a bit too much success too early. I hope they learn from this.
Re: Rodgers – I really hope he is as good as some around here believe he is. Once teams know him and his tendencies, it would be far easier to scheme against him, and he will have to adapt in order to be successful. Sure, he showed something against the Cowboys, but there were some factors to be considered, like the fact that the cowboys were not prepared for him, or that the cowboys’ D relaxed and played vanilla after Favre went out, which could be seen by the softer pass-rush he faced. He had a good game, but his grade is incomplete and IMO, doesn’t give a reason to feel confident that he would take the team further than Favre did.
Reading some of the posts around here, it seems like we just completed a 3-13 season instead of the other way around. It is sad to see that some people actually believe that we won as many games as we did in spite of Favre, while in reality he was a huge part of our success (I’m not saying that we won only because of him). This was a flawed immature team, which had a bit too much success too early. I hope they learn from this.
Re: Rodgers – I really hope he is as good as some around here believe he is. Once teams know him and his tendencies, it would be far easier to scheme against him, and he will have to adapt in order to be successful. Sure, he showed something against the Cowboys, but there were some factors to be considered, like the fact that the cowboys were not prepared for him, or that the cowboys’ D relaxed and played vanilla after Favre went out, which could be seen by the softer pass-rush he faced. He had a good game, but his grade is incomplete and IMO, doesn’t give a reason to feel confident that he would take the team further than Favre did.
quote:Originally posted by Ed Vedder:
Recent history? How about his game in a blizzard against a division champion?
It was 30 degrees out.
quote:Completely agree with this.
They were playing inside to take away the slants. It was part of their defensive gameplan. When DB's do that they open up the sideline route but in that weather, it is a difficult throw.
quote:Originally posted by Ed Vedder:
Recent history? How about his game in a blizzard against a division champion?
Reading some of the posts around here, it seems like we just completed a 3-13 season instead of the other way around. It is sad to see that some people actually believe that we won as many games as we did in spite of Favre, while in reality he was a huge part of our success (I’m not saying that we won only because of him). This was a flawed immature team, which had a bit too much success too early. I hope they learn from this.
Re: Rodgers – I really hope he is as good as some around here believe he is. Once teams know him and his tendencies, it would be far easier to scheme against him, and he will have to adapt in order to be successful. Sure, he showed something against the Cowboys, but there were some factors to be considered, like the fact that the cowboys were not prepared for him, or that the cowboys’ D relaxed and played vanilla after Favre went out, which could be seen by the softer pass-rush he faced. He had a good game, but his grade is incomplete and IMO, doesn’t give a reason to feel confident that he would take the team further than Favre did.
Did any of you people grow up in Wisconsin and actually go out in sub zero weather? Anyone?
You're a good man, Henry and sorry for flaming on you yesterday. I am sure it was largely due to carrying emotional baggage over this loss.
This frigging loss REALLY STINGS!!!
This frigging loss REALLY STINGS!!!
quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
You're a good man, Henry and sorry for flaming on you yesterday. I am sure it was largely due to carrying emotional baggage over this loss.
This frigging loss REALLY STINGS!!!
Back at you. If it wasn't for the fashion that they lost this really wouldn't be that big of deal for me.
Which fashion would suit you and make you feel alright?quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
You're a good man, Henry and sorry for flaming on you yesterday. I am sure it was largely due to carrying emotional baggage over this loss.
This frigging loss REALLY STINGS!!!
Back at you. If it wasn't for the fashion that they lost this really wouldn't be that big of deal for me.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:...Plus, the difference between 32 and 0 is pretty damn substantial. The difference between 70 and 0 is huge.
But yet the claim is that because the Giants practiced (what an hour a day?) in 30 degree weather, that somehow majically acclimated them to 0 degree weather, which IMO is hogwash. Hell, if Farve would have thrown a TD pass to win the game, the Packers would have been 1-1 in recent cold-weather games. Then what, the Giants' cold weather prep work theory up in smoke and Favre would not be a cold weather wuss?
quote:Originally posted by Ed Vedder:Which fashion would suit you and make you feel alright?quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by phaedrus:
You're a good man, Henry and sorry for flaming on you yesterday. I am sure it was largely due to carrying emotional baggage over this loss.
This frigging loss REALLY STINGS!!!
Back at you. If it wasn't for the fashion that they lost this really wouldn't be that big of deal for me.
Not losing like a bunch of cold weather pussies and I didn't say it would make me feel "alright". It wouldn't have been as big a deal for a young team that wasn't supposed to make it this far. It's a good team, I'm optimistic and I expect them to compete next year.
Hard to take the Giants absolutely moving the ball with impunity and losing by a f'in FG in OT. Just one series of good play calling and sucking it up and the Packers are in the Superbowl. They pussed out.
This is all Henry tranfering his cold weather wussy fears onto Favre.
quote:Originally posted by pacfan:
This is all Henry tranfering his cold weather wussy fears onto Favre.
Yeah, I'm a real creampuff. I spent a good chunk of my life working my ass off in that kind of weather while the majority of you were drinking hot cocoa and turning the heat up. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for a multi-millionaire that only has to do it for 3 hours, one day a week. He probably got picked because his throwing motion was off from having so many hand warmers jammed up his ass.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
Did any of you people grow up in Wisconsin and actually go out in sub zero weather? Anyone?
I did. I also worked in a shipyard in the winter. It was cold.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by Henry:
Did any of you people grow up in Wisconsin and actually go out in sub zero weather? Anyone?
I also worked in a shipyard in the winter. It was cold.
That's definitely shrinkey dink weather.
The Seattle game was played under the same circumstances in which Brady struggled against San Diego, but that doesn’t prevent Brady from being considered great since his team still won. Maybe Favre and the rest of the Packers suffered under the circumstances of Saturday’s game, but those were worse than anything he’s likely to face even in Green Bay. Heck, I remember a chart during the game saying that Green Bay was colder than the North Pole at that moment (likely there was daylight in the north pole). Under those circumstances, you cannot rely on the passing game, which we had to because our running game disappeared. Eli Manning threw for a worse percentage and for less YPA than Favre did that day, but he did not need to throw every down because their running game was working. Manning’s big stat was that he did not throw any INTs.quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by Ed Vedder:
Recent history? How about his game in a blizzard against a division champion?
It was 30 degrees out.
QBs get too much of the credit and too much of the blame.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by pacfan:
This is all Henry tranfering his cold weather wussy fears onto Favre.
Yeah, I'm a real creampuff. I spent a good chunk of my life working my ass off in that kind of weather while the majority of you were drinking hot cocoa and turning the heat up. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy for a multi-millionaire that only has to do it for 3 hours, one day a week. He probably got picked because his throwing motion was off from having so many hand warmers jammed up his ass.
You may be right with this... I just watched the INT again and he did not step through the throw like he usually does.
Did the DB jump the route, I thought one of the announcers mentioned this? IF the throw hadn't been off, sometimes DBs get burned jumping routes. Purely "what if" speculation.
quote:Did the DB jump the route
More like Favre has 'jumped the shark' as far as being an elite cold-weather QB.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
He probably got picked because his throwing motion was off from having so many hand warmers jammed up his ass.
You know Madden - Once he gets started he just can't stop.
There are so many factors - tangible and intangible - that contributed to the loss of this game, pointing them out and picking them apart would be frustrating and pointless. If you are one of the people who are content to hang the dead bird around Brett's neck, fine. But then you also have to blame him for the leadership and skill that left us with an amazing season.
Besides - Everybody knows the Lambeau crowd was to blame.
MM looked as cold as Favre, and they both wore ski masks. Just like the Chicago game MM was outcoached and he didn't want to take the weather seriously. It's much different practicing in doors than outside, both the Bears (for a couple of days) and Giants (supposedly all week) practiced outside and they both looked much more comfortable, from the coaches on down. MM doesn't want to practice out doors because the practices aren't as crisp, but that sure didn't help the team excecute come game day. The NFCC was too big to take a chance in, they should've at least practiced a couple of days out side to get used to playing in the elements.
I'm still pissed at that game, too bad Favre didn't dump it off to Grant, but then again the Packers still had at least 40-50 more yards to go until manageable FG range.
I'm still pissed at that game, too bad Favre didn't dump it off to Grant, but then again the Packers still had at least 40-50 more yards to go until manageable FG range.
LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR FOR EVERYONE. I THINK FAVRE IS A FANTASTIC PLAYER/LEGEND/WALKING BILLBOARD FOR HAND WARMERS. I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE HIM ON THE TEAM NEXT YEAR AS WELL. HE AND THE WHOLE TEAM WERE STINKY ON SUNDAY AND THAT MAKES ME AS IRRITABLE AS PAKRZ LOWER INTESTINE!
Max,
Enjoyed your take in your original post (back about 7,000 opinions ago). I share some of that sentiment. The Pack will always be around, Favre won't. Would like to have seen him in AZ in a couple of weeks. I've watched a lot of QBs flounder in GB since the Starr era. A guy like Favre comes along and there's some degree of personal sentiment that goes along with cheering for team success. Brett's not bigger than the team, as some suggest. He knows that better than anyone. I want the team to win regardless of who is at the helm, but a Favre-led SB team would've had a little extra six-shooter allure.
As for the opinions about Favre being overwhelmed by the cold, I didn't see that from where I was sitting in minus 20 degree winds. What I saw was an offensive 'strategy' that seemed irresolute. This wandering approach was matched by the Packers defense on multiple occasions.
All that said, the final feeling I'm left with after this game was that the Giants, in spite of all their warts, just showed more mettle, from the players to the coaches.
Enjoyed your take in your original post (back about 7,000 opinions ago). I share some of that sentiment. The Pack will always be around, Favre won't. Would like to have seen him in AZ in a couple of weeks. I've watched a lot of QBs flounder in GB since the Starr era. A guy like Favre comes along and there's some degree of personal sentiment that goes along with cheering for team success. Brett's not bigger than the team, as some suggest. He knows that better than anyone. I want the team to win regardless of who is at the helm, but a Favre-led SB team would've had a little extra six-shooter allure.
As for the opinions about Favre being overwhelmed by the cold, I didn't see that from where I was sitting in minus 20 degree winds. What I saw was an offensive 'strategy' that seemed irresolute. This wandering approach was matched by the Packers defense on multiple occasions.
All that said, the final feeling I'm left with after this game was that the Giants, in spite of all their warts, just showed more mettle, from the players to the coaches.
I too agree with the original post.
The part of this loss that hurts worse than the final score is the fact Brett Favre threw an INT which led to the winning FG in OT. I think it was an ill-conceived predictable pass call into the wind to the one WR who seemed to be the only WR on the field.
I think Favre will return for one last try in 2008. The team will be better because expectations will be higher. And the younger will be smarter and stronger and not so overconfident.
The part of this loss that hurts worse than the final score is the fact Brett Favre threw an INT which led to the winning FG in OT. I think it was an ill-conceived predictable pass call into the wind to the one WR who seemed to be the only WR on the field.
I think Favre will return for one last try in 2008. The team will be better because expectations will be higher. And the younger will be smarter and stronger and not so overconfident.
quote:Originally posted by GBP1:
The part of this loss that hurts worse than the final score is the fact Brett Favre threw an INT which led to the winning FG in OT. I think it was an ill-conceived predictable pass call into the wind to the one WR who seemed to be the only WR on the field.
For what it's worth, Greg Easterbrook of Tuesday Morning Quarterback thought so too. Here's his take.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterb.../080122&sportCat=nfl
As for the deciding play, Favre's throwing an interception in Green Bay territory on the second snap of overtime, here's what happened. Thrice during regulation, the Packers had shown an action designed to look like the power rush they'd run with success against the Seahawks the week before. Each time, a tight end lined up in the line but didn't set; then the tight end stepped back into the backfield while the wide receiver on that side stepped forward to cover up the tackle; then the tight end went in motion as if to "slide" block at the point of attack; then the line down-blocked as if for a power run; then Favre threw a quick out. The Packers used this basic action for several big runs against Seattle, on plays that were runs. Sunday, the Packers used the action three times in regulation, except it was a pass, twice complete. When, in overtime, Packers' coaches called the action for the fourth time, this time the Jersey/A defense knew what was coming. Linebackers did not buy the fake, and cornerback Corey Webster broke early on the quick out. Don't expect the same misdirection-based play to work four times in the same game.
The problem with that take is that if Favre leads Driver properly, he gets the completion and even possibly a big play, as The DB would have had taken an inside position and Driver would have been able to beat him to the sideline. The throw was behind, which was easy pickings at that point.
A good throw wouldn't have been such an easy interception, but with Webster looking for the play (he said he was afterward) and jumping the route, maybe he gets a hand on it.
It was a lousy throw but the play sucked too.
It was a lousy throw but the play sucked too.
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
Just one series of good play calling and sucking it up and the Packers are in the Superbowl. They pussed out.
That is the most painful thing I've realized this week. DAMN! They were ONE PLAY away from the superbowl!
quote:It was a lousy throw but the play sucked too.
A good throw doesn't get picked, IMO. I don't have a problem with the call at all. The throw was pure rookie, something we shouldn't expect from HOFers...
Is there such a thing as a "good" interception?
Were Brady's 3 interceptions that same Sunday the kind you would expect from a hall of famer?
Were Brady's 3 interceptions that same Sunday the kind you would expect from a hall of famer?
quote:Originally posted by Henry:
LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR FOR EVERYONE. I THINK FAVRE IS A FANTASTIC PLAYER/LEGEND/WALKING BILLBOARD FOR HAND WARMERS. I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE HIM ON THE TEAM NEXT YEAR AS WELL. HE AND THE WHOLE TEAM WERE STINKY ON SUNDAY AND THAT MAKES ME AS IRRITABLE AS PAKRZ LOWER INTESTINE!
quote:Were Brady's 3 interceptions that same Sunday the kind you would expect from a hall of famer?
This morning Jaworski broken down Brady's game and came away convinced he sprained his ankle and made errant throws due to not being able to plant on it.
quote:Originally posted by Pakrz:quote:Originally posted by Henry:
LET ME MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR FOR EVERYONE. I THINK FAVRE IS A FANTASTIC PLAYER/LEGEND/WALKING BILLBOARD FOR HAND WARMERS. I'LL BE GLAD TO HAVE HIM ON THE TEAM NEXT YEAR AS WELL. HE AND THE WHOLE TEAM WERE STINKY ON SUNDAY AND THAT MAKES ME AS IRRITABLE AS PAKRZ LOWER INTESTINE!
Priceless...
quote:Were Brady's 3 interceptions that same Sunday the kind you would expect from a hall of famer?
He didn't make them in OT of a winnable ballgame...