Wow, three sensible posts in a row...there is hope for this board.
quote:Originally posted by GBP1:
On the ill-fated INT, my guess is that Favre looked for Driver because DD was the only receiver consistently making plays and playing tough.. Unfortunately, the Giants knew that too and hung close to him.
He should of checked off to Grant
quote:The real story is the Packers "D" could not stop the NYGs "O". And when the Giants were halted, the playcalling stunk and players other than Favre did not execute correctly. WRs were trying to shake and bake for extra yards rather than catching the ball and going straight ahead. The footing made for north/south running and nothing much else. Blocks were late or missed. Spitz and Lee come to mind most.
It doesn't help matters when your D is on the field for most of the game and they got gassed. Surely, we all know Burress had his way with Harris but the time of possession (in the Giants favor) was an absolute joke. All of those 3 and outs were a big reason for that.
I also think that you are giving Favre way too much of a free pass but that's fine. He missed a lot of wide open receivers in the second half and made a ton of bad decisions. BTW, the footing wasn't an issue based on what I saw, and the OL pass blocking wasn't too bad either. It's not like Favre was harassed for most of the game.
The bottom line is that they failed to answer the bell (again) in one of these big games and Favre was a big reason (although not the only reason) why they lost.
quote:Youth and inexperience got'em.
If I hear this comment one more time I think I'm going to puke
Is Favre a rookie? What about Al Harris or Woodson? How many times have those guys been in the playoffs before?
What got them was they weren't prepared well enough and their execution was awful. Also, they did not respond well to the conditions.
I'm tired of the old guys getting a pass in these games and yes that includes Brett Favre. I hate it as much as anyone but he was terrible in the game and if you want to make excuses so be it but for all of his commentary (about other players needing to step up) he didn't do a good job of leading by example.
I know in some circles it's considering sacrilege to criticize Favre but so what.
quote:Originally posted by The Crusher:
Wow, three sensible posts in a row...there is hope for this board.
You pretty much don't have a pot to piss in when it comes to "sensible".
quote:Originally posted by Koopla Krash:
Unscientific evaluation for this game:
Giants won the following:
Coaching, QB play, RB play, WR/TE play, OL play, secondary, PR/KR, and field position.
Packers won the following:
LB play and kicker battle
Push:
DL play and punting battle
Final tally:
Pack 2 Giants 8
This TEAM loss was clear and evident. To pin an extraordinary amount of blame on Favre for this game is ridiculous. Hell, it was his two great throws/decisions (and a hell of an effort by Driver) that helped put the team in a position to win, when it had no business even making it to OT.
2-8 in your equation and they lost on a FG in OT. Heaven forbid we should put any blame on the guy that actually runs the offense.
quote:You pretty much don't have a pot to piss in when it comes to "sensible".
Go have a drink on me tough guy.
Koopla Krash
Hank replies
Hank, he said "extraordinary", where is he not putting "any" blame on Favre???
Our point is virtually no Packer players showed up...tell me who did...who made plays?
quote:To pin an extraordinary amount of blame on Favre for this game is ridiculous
Hank replies
quote:Heaven forbid we should put any blame on the guy that actually runs the offense
Hank, he said "extraordinary", where is he not putting "any" blame on Favre???
Our point is virtually no Packer players showed up...tell me who did...who made plays?
Truly pathetic doesn't due that comment justice, it's borderline psychotic, stalker material.quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by Milken:
There is a big part of me that would be disappointed for Brett if the Packers remain contenders - perhaps win another SB - without him.
That's truly pathetic.
quote:Originally posted by pacfan:quote:Originally posted by Henry:...I said recent history.
40 out of 45 games in weather below 34 degrees isn't good enough, but 2 recent games lost (one on the road) in cold weather makes him a cold weather wuss? Sorry, I don't buy it.
34 degrees is for pussies. That's not even cold. What is Favre's record in single digit wind chill temps or less? BTW, I'm not saying you are wrong. Just stating an opinion of the cold.
He's very old for a football player and he's been knocked around a lot over the course of his career. While never injured badly enough to miss a start, these smaller-scale hurts may have accumulated over time into some chronic arthritic issues. Anybody who suffers from even a little of this knows that 30 degrees feels a lot colder than it used to.
If Favre makes the same throw to Jennings' side of the field, there's a good chance that one gets picked off, too!
It was less about the read and more about the throw.
It was less about the read and more about the throw.
NFL people always talk about two things: 3rd down conversion rates and turnover ratio. We lost both of those battles and lost like mostly every team does when they lose in those two categories. This loss is on Al "Pro Bowl" Harris, the defenders with 3rd down penalties (Collins), and Brett Favre. They get the majority of the blame. The remaining crumbs of blame fall on MM, the offensive line, Ryan, our punt and kick coverage, etc.
quote:Originally posted by who:
NFL people always talk about two things: 3rd down conversion rates and turnover ratio. We lost both of those battles and lost like mostly every team does when they lose in those two categories. This loss is on Al "Pro Bowl" Harris, the defenders with 3rd down penalties (Collins), and Brett Favre. They get the majority of the blame. The remaining crumbs of blame fall on MM, the offensive line, Ryan, our punt and kick coverage, etc.
Yeah, and don't forget about Deana's cat.That little sh*t did not do its part, that's for sure.
quote:Originally posted by The Crusher:quote:You pretty much don't have a pot to piss in when it comes to "sensible".
Go have a drink on me tough guy.
Ease off. Enough of these types of posts. You two have had your back and forth, and it stops now.
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:quote:Youth and inexperience got'em.
If I hear this comment one more time I think I'm going to puke
Youth and Inexperience Got'em
Yeah, some of the vets played poor, but at key points in the game the younger guys failed too.
quote:Originally posted by BackThePack:quote:Originally posted by GBP1:
On the ill-fated INT, my guess is that Favre looked for Driver because DD was the only receiver consistently making plays and playing tough.. Unfortunately, the Giants knew that too and hung close to him.
He should of checked off to Grant
The key is to see where Grant was 2 seconds before the ball was released. But it was evident Favre made up his mind to go to DD anyway.
For those that live in this climate that was brutal cold the day they played. Not 34, not even close to 24. It was around zero with a wind child of around
-25. That kind of cold sucks all of the energy out of you in a hurry.
Still, after reading what the Giants said about approaching the game and the weather it really was pretty sad that the Packers struggled to adapt and adjust. That's all about focus and concentration and desire and the Giants had it that day.
You don't know how many opportunities like this you get and GB blew a golden opportunity.
-25. That kind of cold sucks all of the energy out of you in a hurry.
Still, after reading what the Giants said about approaching the game and the weather it really was pretty sad that the Packers struggled to adapt and adjust. That's all about focus and concentration and desire and the Giants had it that day.
You don't know how many opportunities like this you get and GB blew a golden opportunity.
I have nothing more to add. This thread was over days ago...
quote:Originally posted by Henry:quote:Originally posted by Koopla Krash:
Unscientific evaluation for this game:
Giants won the following:
Coaching, QB play, RB play, WR/TE play, OL play, secondary, PR/KR, and field position.
Packers won the following:
LB play and kicker battle
Push:
DL play and punting battle
Final tally:
Pack 2 Giants 8
This TEAM loss was clear and evident. To pin an extraordinary amount of blame on Favre for this game is ridiculous. Hell, it was his two great throws/decisions (and a hell of an effort by Driver) that helped put the team in a position to win, when it had no business even making it to OT.
2-8 in your equation and they lost on a FG in OT. Heaven forbid we should put any blame on the guy that actually runs the offense.
I did not excuse Favre from any blame, but the burden of the loss seems to have been placed too much on the QB. Of the 8 losses I detailed, the coaching, OL play (run blocking especially), and RB play were the biggest reasons for the loss. The QB play was better for the Giants, but when there is ZERO balance in the play calling, it gets kind of easy to play defense vs. the pass. Eli barely had better than a 50% completion percentage and he was the beneficiary of over 130 rushing yards - hell, the Giants had more rushing attempts than the Packers had rushing yards!
quote:Originally posted by Tschmack:
It doesn't help matters when your D is on the field for most of the game and they got gassed. Surely, we all know Burress had his way with Harris but the time of possession (in the Giants favor) was an absolute joke. All of those 3 and outs were a big reason for that.
I'm not buying the theory that the Packer offense was a big reason for the time of possession difference.
Here's how the 1st half started:
*Packers drive stalls after two first downs
*Giants go on an eight minute drive and get a FG
Here's how the 2nd half started:
*Giants go on a seven minute drive for a TD
Entirely by themeselves, the defense was responsible for being on the field for 15 minutes of that game. When you consider the TOP edge was 18 minutes total, I think the failure by the defense to get off the field on the first drives of the 1st and 2nd halves was far more responsible than the offense's futility. Now, I'll give you that it certainly doesn't help when your offense isn't doing much and their two TD's are the result of quick drives (90 yard pass and shortened field after the Williams return). But there are no excuses for that defense on the 1st drive of each half. They just got whipped.
Not really arguing, just disappointed that:
The Packers offense went 1 for 10 on 3rd down conversions.
The Packers offense had 3 potential game winning drives in which they gained a total of 2 net yards and committed a turnover in OT.
In the NFCC game.
At home.
vs the 5th seed.
In weather that should have helped "psych out" a visiting team.
The Packers offense went 1 for 10 on 3rd down conversions.
The Packers offense had 3 potential game winning drives in which they gained a total of 2 net yards and committed a turnover in OT.
In the NFCC game.
At home.
vs the 5th seed.
In weather that should have helped "psych out" a visiting team.
These Days, I'm a Pot-Stirring Fan First.
I'll admit it these days I'm anti-Favre. Even sniffing the Vikes jockstraps was bad enough, ug. But time heals all wounds...
I still don't understand how someone could be a fan of a player over the team they supposedly root for "first".
Hell, I leave the country for two short weeks, I come back, and wtf? No Brent Faver in Minny. Got on the internet and looked up some articles for the time I missed. Poor baby. The toughest decision he had to make in his whole life. Awww. Should I play football for 5 months and make 10 million bucks, or should I stay home on the "farm"? What a decision. No wonder the guy can't make up his mind about anything if this was the toughest decision he had to make in 40 years.
quote:Hell, I leave the country for two short weeks, I come back, and wtf? No Brent Faver in Minny. Got on the internet and looked up some articles for the time I missed.
What country did you go to that doesn't have internet?!
I'm shocked to find out mick was pining for Favre while on vacation
quote:Originally posted by Shoeless Joe:quote:Hell, I leave the country for two short weeks, I come back, and wtf? No Brent Faver in Minny. Got on the internet and looked up some articles for the time I missed.
What country did you go to that doesn't have internet?!
Iran!
Ok Rubes, I'll play. First, some of you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Vacation? Did I write anything about vacation? Second, pining away? Right. Third, There is limited internet where I was, but very limited, and I wasn't there to hang out on packer chat boards, or in your case kabong, play with myself. But look at it this way, now that Favre didn't go to the Vikings, you and your glorious leader can pull your old Favre jersey's over your balding heads and your paunchy guts, go to the the NFL draft next year and pretend that three days of tedious monotony rubbing elbows with other assorted balding and pauchy losers with no lives is actually a great time.
Goaline, you're close. Unlike your years long evaluation of Jamal Reynolds.
Afghanistan.
Goaline, you're close. Unlike your years long evaluation of Jamal Reynolds.
Afghanistan.
nothing but apologies for jumping to the wildly inappropriate assumption that out of the country meant "vacation."
pretty sure "pining" was spot on
pretty sure "pining" was spot on
Well no wonder you had limited internet access. Tell 'em to aim it more towards Mecca.
quote:pull your old Favre jersey's over your balding heads and your paunchy guts, go to the the NFL draft next year and pretend that three days of tedious monotony rubbing elbows with other assorted balding and pauchy losers with no lives is actually a great time.
Do I read this correctly as Mick slamming Boris and Coach
If true, not a wise thing to do
quote:Originally posted by Mick730:
Goaline, you're close. Unlike your years long evaluation of Jamal Reynolds.
Afghanistan.
No internet in Afghanistan? How do they download porn then? Those poor people.
They have skrip clubs, but the dancers have to wear burkas.
I had to google Skrip
Being the oldest settlement on the island, Ε krip is one of the must-see destinations for every visitor to Brac. The Museum of Brac is located in the old Radojkovic house; the nearby church of the Holy Ghost,
That Kiel, even his typos are clever
Being the oldest settlement on the island, Ε krip is one of the must-see destinations for every visitor to Brac. The Museum of Brac is located in the old Radojkovic house; the nearby church of the Holy Ghost,
That Kiel, even his typos are clever