quote:Originally posted by Sep:
But I'd rather see D.J. Williams or somebody not yet on the team next to Bishop in 2013.
I think D.J. Williams would be terrible next to Bishop.
I think D.J. Williams would be terrible next to Bishop.
I think D.J. Williams would be terrible next to Bishop.
DJ Smith was awful in pass coverage. He looked a step slow. Not sure if that can be corrected with experience or if he is actually a step slow.
quote:D.J. Williams
Speaking of disappointments, what's up with this guy? Totaled 7 catches in 13 games without having to compete with Quarless for time this year. Something tells me he's going to be in a battle to make the roster next august. Thought he was going to make a jump this year but the most memorable thing he did the whole season was his cow tipping story at the beginning of the year.
Sep says Jones is no good, so Jones is no good.
quote:Originally posted by Herschel:
DJ Williams isn't really an upgrade either. Jones at least actually plays on the defensive side of the ball.
Oops. Meant D.J. Smith.
quote:Originally posted by Tdog:
DJ Smith was awful in pass coverage. He looked a step slow. Not sure if that can be corrected with experience or if he is actually a step slow.
Not saying Smith is the answer either, but Jones (who will be 27 next season) probably doesn't have any "untapped potential" left.
A guy who covers a lot of ground and returns a pick for a TD in a future Super Bowl WIN!
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:Originally posted by Sep:
On defense they need an inside linebacker and a 'Nick Collins' type safety.
How would you describe a 'Nick Collins' type safety?
One guy seemingly doing well in mobile is Safety Jonathan Cyprien.
Eric Fisher is supposedly looking very good at LT also.
NT/DT John Jenkins is likely out of Green Bay's reach but he's been devastating in 1-on-1s. It would be fun to line up Pickett, Raji and Jenkins across the line and maybe even AJ Hawk wwould look decent. Okay, that's a stretch.
Eric Fisher is supposedly looking very good at LT also.
NT/DT John Jenkins is likely out of Green Bay's reach but he's been devastating in 1-on-1s. It would be fun to line up Pickett, Raji and Jenkins across the line and maybe even AJ Hawk wwould look decent. Okay, that's a stretch.
I wonder if TT might be interested in Steven Jackson this off season? I know Jackson will turn 30 this off season, but he might be an exception to the rule. There's been rumors in the past that GB had been interested in him. Jackson recently stated that he'd like to play for a contender. A big bruising back with a bit of speed just might make that offensive line look a bit better.
I'm on record stating that I actually am OK with the stable they have (if all are healthy) but I'd be OK adding SJax to the mix.
Note that Lynch was gotten for a 4 and 5. He shouldn't be worth as much as Lynch but I bet St. Louis will be looking for that.
What's the bounty for SJax?
Note that Lynch was gotten for a 4 and 5. He shouldn't be worth as much as Lynch but I bet St. Louis will be looking for that.
What's the bounty for SJax?
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
What's the bounty for SJax?
StL would probably see a 5th or 6th round pick as a steal, seeing as Steve is a free agent.
quote:Originally posted by Lap-Ka-Dog:
StL would probably see a 5th or 6th round pick as a steal, seeing as Steve is a free agent.
Thanks. What kind of dough would he demand? CedBen-ish or quite a bit more? How many years?
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#Packers RB coach Alex Van Pelt admits James Starks is probably better suited for a change-of-pace role at this point.
#Packers RB coach Alex Van Pelt admits James Starks is probably better suited for a change-of-pace role at this point.
Here is my first mock draft of the offseason:
Round 1âĶPick 27
C Barrett JonesâĶAlabama
6â5ââĶ305 lbs.
*A truly gifted football playerâĶUnheard of versatility, having played successfully at all 5 OLine positions during his careerâĶWon the Outland Trophy at LT, the Rimington Trophy at C, and has been recognized as an All-American at RG and RTâĶGood frame with room at add muscleâĶHighly intelligent with a good football mindâĶConsistently displays great technique in both the run and pass gameâĶDespite his height, he gets leverage and can latch on and turn DL in the run gameâĶNot a mauler and doesnât blow DL off the lineâĶHas shown good ability to get to the 2nd levelâĶAnchors well in the pass game and mirrors like a LTâĶGreat quickness of the snap and understands how to use his hands with a good initial punch and hand placementâĶSuffered Lisfranc injury in the SEC Championship game but played through it and then played through it again in the BCS ChampionshipâĶWill be out 3-4 months, but should be ready for Training Camp
Compares to: C Maurkice PounceyâĶPittsburgh Steelers
Round 2âĶPick 59
FS Tony JeffersonâĶOklahoma
5â11ââĶ210 lbs.
*A really natural football playerâĶVery athletic with above average speed, quickness, and agilityâĶCan stick with Receivers in Man and has the vision and instincts to hold his own in ZoneâĶStrong and physical, doesnât back down from bigger players like Backs and TEs in the pass game or run gameâĶGreat instincts as a run defender, diagnosing plays quickly and reacting quicklyâĶCloses fast on ball carriers and is always going for the big hit
Compares to: S Ryan ClarkâĶPittsburgh Steelers
Round 3âĶPick 91
WR Ryan SwopeâĶTexas A&M
6ââĶ200 lbs.
*Good size with a strong buildâĶVery polished route runnerâĶGreat handsâĶDoesnât have elite deep speed, but has deceptive speed and quicknessâĶGreat candidate for any receiver position on the field, but looks more natural in the SlotâĶGives a great effort as a blocker
Compares to: WR Austin CollieâĶIndianapolis Colts
Round 4âĶPick 123
DE Joe KrugerâĶUtah
6â7ââĶ280 lbs.
*Tall and lanky with long arms and a lot of room to add muscle...Very polished, technique oriented player who understands responsibilities and executesâĶNot an elite athlete as far as speed and change of direction skills are concernedâĶGets surprisingly good leverage for a man of his heightâĶLooks like a promising 34 End prospect whose long arms and his ability to set the edge and hold at the POA will allow him to be a significant contributor down the road...Brother is Ravens OLB Paul Kruger.
Compares to: DE Aaron SmithâĶPittsburgh Steelers
Round 4âĶPick 132 (Compensatory Pick)
ILB Michael MautiâĶPenn St.
6â2ââĶ240 lbs.
*Good size with a strong buildâĶExcellent LB pedigree coming from PSU and compares favorably to names like Dan Connor, Sean Lee, Paul Posluszny, and NaVarro BowmanâĶGreat instincts with above average read/react skillsâĶNot an elite athlete, but holds his own moving sideline to sidelineâĶStrong enough to be effective against the run inside the boxâĶAttacks the ball carrier rather than catching/dragging downâĶUnderstands coverage and does well in zone, but hasnât shown ability to stay with athletic TEs or Backs down the field in ManâĶWould be a 2nd round pick if not for two significant knee injuries, but had a healthy and productive 2012 season.
Compares to: ILB Dan ConnorâĶDallas Cowboys
Round 5âĶPick 156
DT Jordan HillâĶPenn St.
6â1ââĶ295 lbs.
*Small, stout body with little room to add weightâĶVery high effort, high motor playerâĶGreat quickness off the snap and can knife through the gapsâĶUnderstands how to use leverage that he naturally has with heightâĶGood array of pass rush moves with bull rush, swim, and dip/ripâĶDoes a great job shedding OL with violent handsâĶEven next to Big 10 Def. Player of the Year Devin Still, he was the one who drew the double teams.
Compares to: DT Geno AtkinsâĶCincinnati Bengals
Round 6âĶPick 190
FB Zach BorenâĶOhio St.
6ââĶ250 lbs.
*Sledgehammer of a blockerâĶVery strong and stoutâĶVery assignment sureâĶAlso played LB for OSUâĶSurprising ability as a ball carrier.
Compares to: FB Ovie MughelliâĶFree Agent
Round 7âĶPick 225
DE Quanterus SmithâĶWestern Kentucky
6â4ââĶ250 lbs.
*Led the nation in Sacks (including a whipping of Alabamaâs All-American Tackles for 3 sacks) despite missing two gamesâĶBig frame with long arms and room to add muscleâĶBig time hustle player, never gives up on the playâĶNeeds to get better as a run defenderâĶRecovering from a torn ACL in December so may not even be ready for 2013 seasonâĶSurprisingly polished pass rusher with a good array of movesâĶDefinitely a project, but the boom far exceeds the bust.
UDFA:
QB Jordan RodgersâĶVanderbilt
6â1ââĶ205 lbs.
RB Specner WareâĶLSU
5â11ââĶ225 lbs.
WR Brandon KaufmanâĶEastern Washington
6â4ââĶ215 lbs.
OG Theo GoinsâĶCentral Florida
6â4ââĶ315 lbs.
DT Kaleb RamseyâĶBoston College
6â3ââĶ302 lbs.
CB Marcus CromartieâĶWisconsin
6ââĶ180 lbs.
S Ray Ray ArmstrongâĶMiami (FL)
6â3ââĶ215 lbs.
Round 1âĶPick 27
C Barrett JonesâĶAlabama
6â5ââĶ305 lbs.
*A truly gifted football playerâĶUnheard of versatility, having played successfully at all 5 OLine positions during his careerâĶWon the Outland Trophy at LT, the Rimington Trophy at C, and has been recognized as an All-American at RG and RTâĶGood frame with room at add muscleâĶHighly intelligent with a good football mindâĶConsistently displays great technique in both the run and pass gameâĶDespite his height, he gets leverage and can latch on and turn DL in the run gameâĶNot a mauler and doesnât blow DL off the lineâĶHas shown good ability to get to the 2nd levelâĶAnchors well in the pass game and mirrors like a LTâĶGreat quickness of the snap and understands how to use his hands with a good initial punch and hand placementâĶSuffered Lisfranc injury in the SEC Championship game but played through it and then played through it again in the BCS ChampionshipâĶWill be out 3-4 months, but should be ready for Training Camp
Compares to: C Maurkice PounceyâĶPittsburgh Steelers
Round 2âĶPick 59
FS Tony JeffersonâĶOklahoma
5â11ââĶ210 lbs.
*A really natural football playerâĶVery athletic with above average speed, quickness, and agilityâĶCan stick with Receivers in Man and has the vision and instincts to hold his own in ZoneâĶStrong and physical, doesnât back down from bigger players like Backs and TEs in the pass game or run gameâĶGreat instincts as a run defender, diagnosing plays quickly and reacting quicklyâĶCloses fast on ball carriers and is always going for the big hit
Compares to: S Ryan ClarkâĶPittsburgh Steelers
Round 3âĶPick 91
WR Ryan SwopeâĶTexas A&M
6ââĶ200 lbs.
*Good size with a strong buildâĶVery polished route runnerâĶGreat handsâĶDoesnât have elite deep speed, but has deceptive speed and quicknessâĶGreat candidate for any receiver position on the field, but looks more natural in the SlotâĶGives a great effort as a blocker
Compares to: WR Austin CollieâĶIndianapolis Colts
Round 4âĶPick 123
DE Joe KrugerâĶUtah
6â7ââĶ280 lbs.
*Tall and lanky with long arms and a lot of room to add muscle...Very polished, technique oriented player who understands responsibilities and executesâĶNot an elite athlete as far as speed and change of direction skills are concernedâĶGets surprisingly good leverage for a man of his heightâĶLooks like a promising 34 End prospect whose long arms and his ability to set the edge and hold at the POA will allow him to be a significant contributor down the road...Brother is Ravens OLB Paul Kruger.
Compares to: DE Aaron SmithâĶPittsburgh Steelers
Round 4âĶPick 132 (Compensatory Pick)
ILB Michael MautiâĶPenn St.
6â2ââĶ240 lbs.
*Good size with a strong buildâĶExcellent LB pedigree coming from PSU and compares favorably to names like Dan Connor, Sean Lee, Paul Posluszny, and NaVarro BowmanâĶGreat instincts with above average read/react skillsâĶNot an elite athlete, but holds his own moving sideline to sidelineâĶStrong enough to be effective against the run inside the boxâĶAttacks the ball carrier rather than catching/dragging downâĶUnderstands coverage and does well in zone, but hasnât shown ability to stay with athletic TEs or Backs down the field in ManâĶWould be a 2nd round pick if not for two significant knee injuries, but had a healthy and productive 2012 season.
Compares to: ILB Dan ConnorâĶDallas Cowboys
Round 5âĶPick 156
DT Jordan HillâĶPenn St.
6â1ââĶ295 lbs.
*Small, stout body with little room to add weightâĶVery high effort, high motor playerâĶGreat quickness off the snap and can knife through the gapsâĶUnderstands how to use leverage that he naturally has with heightâĶGood array of pass rush moves with bull rush, swim, and dip/ripâĶDoes a great job shedding OL with violent handsâĶEven next to Big 10 Def. Player of the Year Devin Still, he was the one who drew the double teams.
Compares to: DT Geno AtkinsâĶCincinnati Bengals
Round 6âĶPick 190
FB Zach BorenâĶOhio St.
6ââĶ250 lbs.
*Sledgehammer of a blockerâĶVery strong and stoutâĶVery assignment sureâĶAlso played LB for OSUâĶSurprising ability as a ball carrier.
Compares to: FB Ovie MughelliâĶFree Agent
Round 7âĶPick 225
DE Quanterus SmithâĶWestern Kentucky
6â4ââĶ250 lbs.
*Led the nation in Sacks (including a whipping of Alabamaâs All-American Tackles for 3 sacks) despite missing two gamesâĶBig frame with long arms and room to add muscleâĶBig time hustle player, never gives up on the playâĶNeeds to get better as a run defenderâĶRecovering from a torn ACL in December so may not even be ready for 2013 seasonâĶSurprisingly polished pass rusher with a good array of movesâĶDefinitely a project, but the boom far exceeds the bust.
UDFA:
QB Jordan RodgersâĶVanderbilt
6â1ââĶ205 lbs.
RB Specner WareâĶLSU
5â11ââĶ225 lbs.
WR Brandon KaufmanâĶEastern Washington
6â4ââĶ215 lbs.
OG Theo GoinsâĶCentral Florida
6â4ââĶ315 lbs.
DT Kaleb RamseyâĶBoston College
6â3ââĶ302 lbs.
CB Marcus CromartieâĶWisconsin
6ââĶ180 lbs.
S Ray Ray ArmstrongâĶMiami (FL)
6â3ââĶ215 lbs.
The only pick I "dislike" is Mauti. He's a good player, but I don't think he has the range they need at the position. Of course that's also contingent on what they do with the ILB position if they decide to stick with a true "plugger" at that spot.
I'd be good with that draft in a heartbeat. As far as Jordan Hill, I think the Packers could use a little more height on the Dline as well. You already have Daniels and Worthy in that same wheelhouse. I like the Krueger idea a bunch.
BTW . . . WHAT!?! NO RB IN THE FIRST ROUND! SHOULD DRAFT TWO RB IN THE FIRST AND SECOND!!! TRADE UP!!!
BTW . . . WHAT!?! NO RB IN THE FIRST ROUND! SHOULD DRAFT TWO RB IN THE FIRST AND SECOND!!! TRADE UP!!!
I'd love a hard hitting safety named Ray Ray...
Ray Ray Armstrong could be the steal of this draft. I doubt he'll be drafted, but if he had not lied to the NCAA and finished his career at the U, he could have eventually been a high round pick.
Ryan Swope, in HS - RB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rjOXGl37g
A white RB? 
We already have one of those
Rewatching the 2012 NFCC game...
Starks looks crazy good but wow does he have some holes to run through! Even B Jackson looked good (that move to freeze Urlacher never gets old). Same thing for the passing game: AR has time to survey the field and put the ball where he wants it. It's amazing how much better this offense looks with a good OL. The first drive of the game has 3 passes for 20+ yards and 2 big Starks gains.
I am slightly changing my mind on TT drafting a RB in the first 3 rounds. If he can pick up a top OL in RD1 and maybe another sleeper in RD3 or 4, this offense still has enough at the skill positions to be top 5-10. He does need a WR somewhere but OL nudges to the top of my wish list.
Starks looks crazy good but wow does he have some holes to run through! Even B Jackson looked good (that move to freeze Urlacher never gets old). Same thing for the passing game: AR has time to survey the field and put the ball where he wants it. It's amazing how much better this offense looks with a good OL. The first drive of the game has 3 passes for 20+ yards and 2 big Starks gains.
I am slightly changing my mind on TT drafting a RB in the first 3 rounds. If he can pick up a top OL in RD1 and maybe another sleeper in RD3 or 4, this offense still has enough at the skill positions to be top 5-10. He does need a WR somewhere but OL nudges to the top of my wish list.
Oline is everything. This team has enough skill players, it's the oline that held it back. Doesn't mean a RB addition isn't needed but not a high pick. High picks should be guys in the trenches, especially after watching the oline this season.
A really good Center ties the whole OLine together. Having someone at Center who can make the right calls AND can do his job will make each player better.
Yep, I'm firmly in camp for the Barrett Jones R1 pick. His versatility seems to be right up the alley for the skillset TT/MM like to have in their OL. Plus, knowing his technique is already sound, us fans that believe Campen is useless don't have to worry about the need for much coaching.
quote:A really good Center ties the whole OLine together.
Based on your description of Barrett Jones it sounds like he wouldn't be there at #26. Wouldn't he be a very good LT? which more than one team picking before us needs?
He won't be able to work out at all this spring with his foot injury. No pro day, no combine, etc. That will limit any ideas of him moving to LT to what we saw on film from 2 seasons ago. That, combined with the strength and depth of this years OT class, I don't think any team will look at him at LT early in round 1.
quote:Originally posted by Koopla Krash: Plus, knowing his technique is already sound, us fans that believe Campen is useless don't have to worry about the need for much coaching.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
He won't be able to work out at all this spring with his foot injury.
And maybe he has already had his rookie injury as well!
The injury may be the only thing that kicks Jones down to us...
Oh yay, damaged goods...let's go out and get us another Justin Harrell
The difference is attitude. Barrett Jones has a great attitude, Justin Harrell has an awful one.
TT learned from Harrell. If football isn't in your heart, he'll know it & you won't be a Green Bay Packer
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Round 4âĶPick 123
DE Joe KrugerâĶUtah
6â7ââĶ280 lbs.
*Tall and lanky with long arms and a lot of room to add muscle...Very polished, technique oriented player who understands responsibilities and executesâĶNot an elite athlete as far as speed and change of direction skills are concernedâĶGets surprisingly good leverage for a man of his heightâĶLooks like a promising 34 End prospect whose long arms and his ability to set the edge and hold at the POA will allow him to be a significant contributor down the road...Brother is Ravens OLB Paul Kruger.
Kruger reminds me a little of Sean Jones of old. He could really maintain the edge and had some nice pass rush as well. Jones was 6'7 270
Here's a hypotheical: If the Packers spend their first two picks on a C and a RB Would you rather see the Packers come away with Barrett Jones and Montee Ball or Eddie Lacey and Travis Frederick?
I think I'd opt for Jones/Ball for versatility.
I think I'd opt for Jones/Ball for versatility.
I want a Center. The good ones generally come from the first couple rounds.
A solid Center will improve our offense.
Where's Dwight Stephenson when you need him?
A solid Center will improve our offense.
Where's Dwight Stephenson when you need him?
Of those options I would rather see Barrett Jones and Montee Ball. I think Lacy is a more physically gifted and more violent runner, but I think Ball is a true every down back. He's strong, he's patient, and most of all he's proven. He's got a lot more tread on his tires than Lacy, but I definitely think he has a lot left. Lacy runs higher and has taken more bad hits than Ball. The other part is the OLine factor. Ball had All-American OLinemen his first 3 years and there were doubts about whether the success was due to the back or the OL, but with all UW's new OL starters in 2012, I think Ball proved it was as much him as it was the OL. Lacy hasn't proven that at all as he has enjoyed All-American OLinemen all 3 years.
I just don't see a need for a RB. As mentioned, a great OL makes a good RB look great. When holes have been there, Harris has hit them hard. I have full confidence that a threesome including a combination of Harris, Benson, Green and Starks could be productive if the o-line opens some holes, I just don't have confidence that the OL can get the push they need.
I like the pick of Barrett Jones or Jonathon Cooper. EDS does not look like the long-term solution of center, and Lang did not look good this year (especially when considering his salary). Like pass rushers, you can never have too many good offensive lineman considering the injuries we've dealt with there the last few years.
Lacy reminds me of a poor man's Adrian Peterson. I'll probably get flamed for it, but they have similar violent running style, Lacy's just not as fast and strong (not even close). It'd be nice to get him but I'm in the camp of drafting front 7 on defense and offensive line. The 49ers are in the Super Bowl not because of their DB's or skill position players;' they're there because they have the best OL in the NFL and a front 7 that may also be the best.
I like the pick of Barrett Jones or Jonathon Cooper. EDS does not look like the long-term solution of center, and Lang did not look good this year (especially when considering his salary). Like pass rushers, you can never have too many good offensive lineman considering the injuries we've dealt with there the last few years.
Lacy reminds me of a poor man's Adrian Peterson. I'll probably get flamed for it, but they have similar violent running style, Lacy's just not as fast and strong (not even close). It'd be nice to get him but I'm in the camp of drafting front 7 on defense and offensive line. The 49ers are in the Super Bowl not because of their DB's or skill position players;' they're there because they have the best OL in the NFL and a front 7 that may also be the best.
A good back still makes a marked difference. Right now they have a hobbit Sam Gado(Harris) and two Pedestrian guys who seem to have had injuries take their toll already. A good line is very important, but don't discount what a good, versatile back brings to the table.
Gore and Rice are big reasons those two teams are in the Big Show.
quote:Originally posted by CUPackFan:
EDS does not look like the long-term solution of center.......
I guess I'm not convinced that TT and MM share that opinion. Not sure where TT has Jones on his board and he might prove too enticing to pass up if he's there, but my guess is EDS gets another year to prove himself.
Perhaps it's the number, but Lacey reminds me of a faster and more explosive version of Brockington and I really like him, although don't see TT making the pick.
quote:Originally posted by YATittle:
Gore and Rice are big reasons those two teams are in the Big Show.
Those Pro Bowl OLines had nothing to do with Rice and Gore having success?