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I don't think #12 will like it.
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Tell me what's wrong with McGinn's article.
I think he absolutely and totally nails it.
I think you're right. Now we have 2 threads with the link.
I don't see why he should criticize Rodgers. After all the Packers can go 11-5 winthout Rodgers.
Fedya posted:I don't see why he should criticize Rodgers. After all the Packers can go 11-5 winthout Rodgers.
And with him
The inaccuracy on short screen passes last week was maddening. He should be making those in his sleep.
There is some Walsh vector/Bert-itis stank about. I don't doubt the ability of MM and Rodgers to correct the situation but they actually have to admit there is a problem. If they can't then it's Shermy/Bert all over again. Considering how that **** show went I would hope they would learn from experience. I don't think Rodgers is as petty as Bert was but someone needs to check the damn ego in the locker room.
Keep building the defense and running game at this point.
All I learned from that article is that Craig Nall is hilarious.
but we knew that already
I don't think MM and Rodgers will ever admit that there is something that needs to be fixed publicly to the media. It's never been how MM rolls. I don't think he thinks it's the media or fan's business. It's an internal team thing, and I actually don't have a problem with that. However, I seriously doubt it's not something they are addressing behind closed doors. If the obvious drop off isn't fixed then changes will come. Proof will be in the pudding and iced cookies.
Not quite sure why Bob really just stating the obvious has some Packer fans all worked up. No indication so far that MM has any real idea of what the fix is. Hope that changes and quickly.
Keep building defense and run game. That's the transition if it needs to happen. Maybe bring back Craig Nall since he's clearly better and funnier than Rodgers.
Whatever happened to that dope, the icon? I don't care.
That is the problem, we have enough talent to get into the playoffs even with a below average passing attack. However, it frustrates to think how good we could be with one that resembles "pre-7th game of 2015"
YATittle posted:The inaccuracy on short screen passes last week was maddening.
Play that stuck out to me was his second pick. No way the AR of several years ago makes that careless throw.
The two INTs last week were just not Arod. Especially considering how the Offense looked on the first drive.
Hoping today's offense hair on fire like the 1st drive last week.
Are some of us considering wanting to trade Rodgers for a couple 1st rounders, 2nd rounders & 3rd rounders?
No, because TT would just trade down for the entire seventh round. 
No, not at all. I do think MM needs evaluation and analysis. If a new coach is a kick in the ass for Rodgers then great.
Again I'd sure like to see TT hedge his bets with continued balance on this team.
What I was thinking as well. If D continues its dominance, it will overshadow offensive deficiencies. When offensive was playing out of its ass where did that get the team? It was better o/d balance that won GB a SB in 2010.
Few weeks ago, Rodgers during an interview pretty much went all in for McCarthy and clements. Something to the effect that if they go elsewhere then all the secrets will be out of the bag.
I can't see Rodgers taking directions from a guy like McDaniels or Bevell.
Orlando Wolf posted:Few weeks ago, Rodgers during an interview pretty much went all in for McCarthy and clements. Something to the effect that if they go elsewhere then all the secrets will be out of the bag.
It looks to me like "all the secrets" are out of the bag right now
Is ilcuqui some how related to El Ka Bong?
Rodgers has not been Rodgers since he started getting spooked. Save the occasional Rodgers-esque half of a game, he just isn't the same player. It's those half games that make you think he'll/they'll figure it out.
Boris posted:Are some of us considering wanting to trade Rodgers for a couple 1st rounders, 2nd rounders & 3rd rounders?
would a punter be in that package?
That's what the two 3d round picks are for. Drafting the second coming of BJ Sander.
Hungry5 posted:Is ilcuqui some how related to El Ka Bong?
They used to date in High School, so...it is entirely possible.
Boris posted:Are some of us considering wanting to trade Rodgers for a couple 1st rounders, 2nd rounders & 3rd rounders?
He and MM have been so good IN THE PAST they deserve a longer trail period to figure it out. Just not sure they well. Egos.
You only trade when your bait is at the top of his game...?That's how you get value.
Promote Zook to QB coach
You don't often see promote and Zook in the same sentence
Rodgers will undoubtedly read the article and if it carves a fresh chip in his shoulder resulting in his pulling his head out of his ass regarding some of his play, gebins to Bad Bob.
I think most of us have learned from watching the Slurp Show that was Lord Favre, that no, it isn't always the receivers running the wrong route, the play call sucked, the tallant sucks, or the sun was in his eyes.
Sometimes you need to point out the elephant in the room. Regardless if MM and AR refuse to see it.
As Henry mentioned, this does seem to be dangerously close to going down the Favre/Sherman path. I was as guilty as anyone of coming slowly to the realization that the Favre of 1994-1998 (who was one of the best QBs I've ever seen) was no longer around and thinking that all the mistakes and screwups must be the receivers, the coaches, etc. It wasn't. From 1999 to 2006, Favre was just a good QB whose lack of preparation, reluctance to commit to staying in top shape, etc. probably cost the Packers at least one Super Bowl win. Everyone forgets that the Sherman punt on 4th and 1 and subsequent 4th and 26 debacle was preceded by a third down scramble where Favre looked like he was running in cement and came up just short of converting the third down play - which would have also ended the game. In short, Favre became too big to put in the extra work that was necessary to be at the top of his game.
The Rodgers from 2009-2014 is no longer here. There are some danger signs that make this Favrian - the "I did the drill as a favor to my coach" comment, the calling out players on the field for their mistakes, etc. Some differences might be that Rodgers clearly seems to be committed to being in top physical shape and MM is Rodgers' Holmgren - not his Sherman (in that MM helped make Rodgers a top NFL QB).
I think McGinn really nailed the issue in GB right now. If Rodgers plays at the 2009-2014 level, the Packers are a Super Bowl contender. If he plays like he has the last year, they are a wild card team looking at a first round exit.
This is the jaded part. It's pretty hard to look at a QB like Rodgers with all his talent and ability and say they would be better off without him. I'm not there yet by any stretch but I'm also beyond defending this kind of stuff. If there is one thing about Bert that everyone needs to remember is no one is bigger than the team. Oh yeah, **** Bert.
I'm of the opinion MM has reached his innovation ceiling. It is what it is. And AR is having a tougher time executing plays that aren't really stressing defensive schemes.
Not giving AR a pass either. He's missed passes he made in his sleep the last year. He looks rattled. I don't know if he's gone Steve Sax or things have sped up because the offense isn't fooling anyone.
The majority of the drives on offense are just metal on metal grinds trying to scratch out 10 yard chunks.
packerboi posted:Rodgers will undoubtedly read the article and if it carves a fresh chip in his shoulder resulting in his pulling his head out of his ass regarding some of his play, gebins to Bad Bob.
I think AR is beyond the chip at this point. I get the impression he is out there to play the way he wants to play because he knows better than everyone else, no matter their argument. Someone of that mindset is not capable of a chip. I hope I'm wrong. Ugh.
One problem might be that when Rodgers was at his peak - circa 2009-2011, the WRs and TEs had either preceded him in GB entirely or had been developed with him when AR was on the bench behind Favre (Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Finley, Quarless). Now, for the most part (except for Nelson), he's surrounded by guys that were in college when he was the NFL MVP and won a Super Bowl. That switch also seemed to cause problems for Favre (Brooks, Freeman, Chmura, Jackson, Rison, Beebe either were all developed with Favre or veteran stars obtained from other teams). When you get to the point where you are the veteran expert on the scheme and plays, sometimes that "absolute power" becomes a problem.