JMO but Murphy's idea of what Packers fans "are over" is well, way off.

I wonder if anyone else wonders why it's only Murphy claiming this issue is over and done with.

Money.

Get it over with.

Screw Murphy. The bitch was a smug traitor pervert. 

Murphy's the Manchurian President.

Instead of TOG, can we call him STP now?!

I really really like that!

If Hourning doesn't get his number retired due to off field activities, I don't think Favre should either. Consider how many Packer greats have not had their number retired, I favor the "unofficial" retirement option going forward.

Zzzzzzz.

Who is this "Hourning" you speak of?

Personally I'm to the point of not caring about this issue anymore. It is going to happen eventually. My guess would be some time in 2015. Already many of the fans that were upset with Bert back then have softenened their stance since. By 2015 there will be even fewer of those still holding a grudge. But there will always be some who cant let go of their animosity towards him. I cant hold a grudge forever so have chosen to not care either way.

Wow, you guys are tough!  I for one like it.  Retire his number!

It's going to get done eventually. Might as well do it sooner rather than later so we don't have to hear about it anymore.

"It's like Farvus, the ball-washers birthday!!!" 

As long as that doesn't include the ball washer airing of grievances.

Mike Wahle!

Marco Rivera!

Taco Wallace!

Sherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaannnnnnn!

Randy Moss!

Chad Jackson!

Retire it.

Give him this at the ceremony:

IMO Favre needs to make a public, unequivocal apology to the Packer organization and its fans.  Otherwise this will continue to fester and tarnish any honors he receives from the Packers, the PHOF, and the PFHOF.  Imagine the reception at Lambeau for any jersey retirement ceremony if he fails to do this.

Problem is that he probably thinks he's already apologized through his rambling statements of the past couple of months.

Come on, Brett.  Just do it.

a ceremony I will be not viewing while I slurp down another brew and talk with friends in the concourse.  

First things first.  This is about money.  This is about more money in the coffers of the team I root for.  So, I completely get it.  It was always going to eventually come to this regardless of anyone's feelings - fans, Packer management, Favre.  Money is what this is all about and there is too much on the table to continue without a public mending of the fences.

Doesn't mean I like it.  Doesn't mean I'm going to support it.  The only thing I wish Murphy would understand and acknowledge to some extent that Favre playing for the Vikings is but one small aspect of many fans anger. 

The on again/off again retirement drama that frankly started about 2005. The whining about Thompson not caving to his every whim such as trading for Moss.  The absolute uninterested and pathetic showing in the playoffs for several years including a playoff game vs the Giants where he looked like all he cared about was getting home.  The retirement in March followed up less than 2 weeks later with a "umm he wants to come back" story he leaked.  Followed by Thompson and MM ready to fly to Cletusville the days before the draft to welcome him back.  Followed by yet another flip flop the night before they were gonna fly in.  The Sam Farmer trade leak.  The trotting out of his mom and Beautifully Unique Sparklepony brother to bash the Packers.  The Greta interview.  The ripping of Thompson, Rodgers, and MM in that stupid interview.  His entitled attitude that the Packers should just waive him and let him do whatever he wanted.  The "I'm not going to disrupt Family Night" lie which preceded his flight arrival - oh just as the damn Family Night scrimmage started.   The pathetic lies during the trade to the Jets.  The obsession with the Packers he had - so much so that his teammates were freaked out.  The way he called Matt Millen to try and help the Lions beat the Packers.  His attempt to out Thompson to a reporter.  His placing himself and his streak above his team in NY.  His retirement/unretirement again in NY.  His goal to "stick it" to the Packers. His chat with Peppers about beating the Packers. 

If he would have simply left graciously and with even a shred of class, it still would have been crappy that he wanted to play for the Vikings so bad, but it happens.  And, it would have been water under the bridge very quickly.

But, there is significantly way more to it than "just playing for the Vikings", and Murphy pretending that a faction of the fanbase is angry with Favre because of solely that is either him sticking his head in the sand, or trying to stay above the fray.  Maybe it is just trying to avoid that, it doesn't feel like that though.

I don't want an apology, I don't want Favre in the Ring of Honor.  If you must for the sake of money - retire his jersey, have a stupid ceremony for him and his redneck clan, sell jerseys and whatnot, and move on. 

I know that they will, but he doesn't deserve to be placed in as high of an honor as guys like Starr and Hutson and Nitschke, and I would be disappointed if they included him in that list. 

I'd say everything you just said, but I'd leave out the term "retard".

Spot on, otherwise.

Who?

As long as they do it in the off-season during the NBA Finals or Summerfest when nobody is around and use 12 point Arial font I'm ok with it.

But of course they will have to do it during a game.  Do they make it against the Vikings?

I say no, the retire jersey games always seem to go bad for the home team.   Pick a loser team. (which could be the Vikes)

This.

As a result of it being about money, it is assuredly going to happen.  The only say that fans may have in this is when.  They may try to ram it in during 2013, which seems a bit early.  I am for a reconciliation, but my view was that it was going to take a year or two.

Zuf, I like your timing, but I think it is going to happen during the regular season.

CAPackFan95

That was a great summary. I'd like to copy and paste your post on every forum I visit. And I'd also like to send it to Mark Murphy -- I don't think he understands (or cares) how the real Packer fans feel.

OTOH, I'd like to see favre give an apology. Not one of his wishy-washy statements, but a real apology where he acknowledges how he spat on the franchise and on us fans. We won't get one, of course.  We'll just continue to be told to "get over it."

Stricken.

"Beautifully Unique Sparklepony" brother

I'd add more hyphens

then it would be exquisite

Hornung gambled on NFL games as a player, and was suspended for a year.   That is quite egregious, and I think it warrants having an unofficial retirement of his number.

CAPackFan95's feelings mirror mine 100%, but I don't think they match those of most Packers fans. There were certainly a good number of fans who felt this way from the start, but the anger only reached fever pitch once he signed the dotted line with the Minnesota Vikings. Let's not forget how many #4 NYJ jerseys there were at Lambeau in 2008. I even saw goofballs wearing them at Candlestick during a preseason game, only a week after he was traded. They must have ordered them the minute he was traded.

Vince Ferragamo wore #5 in 1986, Majkowski wore it during his rookie year in '87, and then a kicker named Curtis Burrow wore it in '88. No one has worn it since. Someone in the organization at the time must have not liked Hornung much.

good job CAPackFan 95....well written....

I think it would be a good idea to make a list of the grievances that CAPackFan95 wrote.  Instead of paragraph-prose form...make a list #1-10 or whatever....so Murphy can digest it all one by one ....maybe call it:  Fans' Grievances... or whatever...

maybe Boris can make it into it's own Thread for others to edit...then, make a final copy and save it as a READ ONLY thread...

just a thought....

nothing like a list of grievances to change a man's mind

The on again/off again retirement drama that frankly started about 2005.

That is where it began for me and I couldn't believe how long he played that game.  After all the years of will he/won't he I half expected everything that came afterward.  I hate wafflers.  But I love waffles!!

Where's Thomas Jefferson when you need him?

Let's just celebrate Festivus, with the airing of grievances. I think Frank Costanza would have a lot to say to Brett.

Nice job CAPF95!  My sentiments exactly. 

Some "Fire Murphy" signs in the crowd would be welcome this season. This guy seems totally disconnected from anything outside his office.

I long for the days of Bob Harlan who actually worked at his job. If Bob said it was OK to retire the number I would know it was because he had read several thousand letters and talked to as many or more fans. With Murphy, I think we are the last thing on his mind.

I agree with CAPackFan95. I hate it but I think it's still gotta happen. I'm hoping over the next couple years Favre keeps inching his way closer to a real apology that will take some of the bitter taste away. I guess this is what happens when immature morons are continually glorified, put on pedestals, and deemed a saint. They actually start to believe it.  

Skip the signs and just get rid of Murphy. Would anyone even notice if he was gone?

Murphy has a lot more/better information than message board monkeys on when this should happen, like it or not. It's the right business move or he wouldn't even approach it.

How exactly is it a good business move when the majority of your LOYAL fans are against it and the guy is considered a joke around the league?

Just who is going to be spending any additional money on the Packers because of this?  

If that were the case, Murphy wouldn't be pushing it. Murphy is motivated by data and business decisions, not whether or not a few internet hotheads care nor any love or animosity for Favre.

Murphy's had researchers working on this just like any other business leader would. He's also trying to bring as many of the remaining dislikers on board as possible. It's just good business.