Murphy's had researchers working on this just like any other business leader would.
you know this how?
Because Murphy's not a moron. Any even half-way competent business leader gathers data/research before taking a dump, let alone making a very public move.
Originally Posted by Herschel:
Because Murphy's not a moron.
You know this how?
Originally Posted by Herschel:
If that were the case, Murphy wouldn't be pushing it. Murphy is motivated by data and business decisions, not whether or not a few internet hotheads care nor any love or animosity for Favre.
Murphy's had researchers working on this just like any other business leader would. He's also trying to bring as many of the remaining dislikers on board as possible. It's just good business.
Wow.. you totally contradict yourself there.. First, you say he doesn't care how fans on the internet feel about Bert. Then in the next paragraph say he is trying to bring the remaining dislikers on board.
I'm still waiting to hear how this is good business. How is this going to increase revenue now or in the future? How does doing this in 2016 increase the chances for success for the Packers franchise?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I honestly don't see it. Are people who tossed their Bert Jersey now going to buy a special Ring of Honor one or something? Are current Bert jersey owners going to buy a new one? Where does the revenue come from? What is the benefit to the franchise?
Retiring number is a fan appreciation thing.. They do it for the fans and to honor the player.. I don't see it being a revenue generator, AKA business decision.
Honoring a quisling deviant bastard next to Mr. Starr or Mr. Nitschke is an abomination. Murphy needs a shrink and so do his minions.
BD. Really?
It's tough to find figures. The NFL seems to hide it well. But, this from a New York Trade paper that tracks this crap. My guess is that it's pretty accurate:
"The Licensing Letter, a New York-based trade publication, estimated the NFL generated $3 billion in merchandise sales in 2011, up from $2.8 billion the year before. This season, with a switch in providers from Reebok to Nike (jerseys and apparel) and New Era (headwear), those figures are likely to climb again."
If you really think there is no money to be made getting Bert back in the loop, well, you're you. The tried and true on this board unfortunately do not represent the masses. I suspect Bert would sell scads of jerseys with that sparkly new Nike swoosh on them. Plus, marching Bert around the state as shows of goodwill (and charging nominal fees, of course) would certainly help the cause.
Nothing good financially comes to the Pack by keeping the deadbeat at bay (snicker). He will be back. He will be back soon. It will be initially possibly slightly messy, but the ballwashers outnumber you and me by a whole helluva lot and they are ready to drop coin.
Quisling?
He pitched for the Royals, right?
Originally Posted by GBFanForLife:
Originally Posted by Herschel:
Because Murphy's not a moron.
You know this how?
Herschel never sees him at the meeting.
Goodell/League is what is pushing this. Murphy is just their mouthpiece.
I retired Favres number a long time ago. Number 4 and the Green Bay Packer jersey should never be put together again. He is a Viking now and forevermore.
Originally Posted by rastapackermon:
I suspect Bert would sell scads of jerseys with that sparkly new Nike swoosh on them. Plus, marching Bert around the state as shows of goodwill (and charging nominal fees, of course) would certainly help the cause.
You can still buy Favre jerseys now from the Packers - I don't see his number retirement boosting jersey sales. Nor will they or he parade around the state. I suspect a retirement before the home opener in 2016 or something, and that's it. Maybe have a ceremony at the Packers hall of fame, but I don't see a huge revenue kick here either. Will more people visit the Packers hall of fame with him in it?
Ok, let murphy do NFLFU's bidding and retire quisling deviant bastard's number at Point's Waffle House. Signed pictures of the Waffler making waffles.
That day the stink in the air wouldn't be coming from the paper industry.
How about some real life perspective from the cynical and self righteous anti-Favre crowd?
If you really mean what you now say about Favre well then we have to tear Curly's name off the stadium and rename a Pub.
Mr. Lambeau was well known to take personal liberties with the wives and girlfriends of Packer players and he didn't hide it at all.
Know your history, and the history ain't that good. Lambeau's deeds makes Favre look like a piker.
Just sayin, ya can't have it both ways.
If fans can't forgive and forget with Favre they are complete hyprocrites for honoring a bigger real life scum bag like Curly Lambeau.
Don't kill the messenger it's just the plain truth.
quote:Just sayin, ya can't have it both ways.
Very much doubt that is what is going on here. Folks just don't know. So, no hypocrisy.
I think you give it to Favre, personally. Not a big fan of him, but that's what I think. His impact on the franchise was mostly huge in a positive way.
Originally Posted by Blair Kiel:
Quisling?
He pitched for the Royals, right?
I thought that was a white wine?
I suspect Bert would sell scads of jerseys with that sparkly new Nike swoosh on them.
I guess this is the argument then.. I disagree that sales will see a significant increase. Maybe if the team had a scrub at QB and was struggling to win games. That is not the case right now, nobody is missing the good ole days. I say wait longer.
Originally Posted by oldschool:
Mr. Lambeau was well known to take personal liberties with the wives and girlfriends of Packer players and he didn't hide it at all.
Show me the proof. Especially since I can Google "farve dick pix" and get proof, little as it may be.
I get sick of all the farve apologists deflecting everything that their hero has done, two wrongs don't make a right, it just makes two wrongs.
Internet age anyone?
In the end, it doesn't matter what you, I or anyone on this board feels because we're insignificant in the overall picture. The Packers have what, a few million fans.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
Herschel never sees him at the meeting.
But I only went because you as chairman promised tacos. Who doesn't like tacos?
Murphy Sucks! He and Bert should have their own private ceremony to retire Bert's #. My old Favre jersey is now the doormat at our hunting camper in Northern WI.
Ok, maybe Lambeau was a womanizer. Maybe not. That's not a deviant like broadcasting pictures of his dick.
And Lambeau helped build the Pack not try to ream it.
False analogy 101.
How a pro handles his ego.
quote:
"People close to Vince during this time recall that he was sometimes paranoid and overly sensitive to what he perceived slights to his status. The June 1965 death of Curly Lambeau provided a flashpoint for Lombardi’s sensitivities. As a tribute to the Packers’ found and longtime coach, City Stadium was renamed Lambeau Field. Privately, Lombardi seethed at the move. He was bothered by Lambeau’s reputation as a womanizer and was jealous of having Green Bay’s spotlight directed on some other coach.
But even with distractions like this, Lombardi had little trouble focusing his attention on coaching his team, and in 1965 he delivered what may have been his finest performance."
From - Green Bay Packers: The Complete Illustrated History - Third Edition By Don Gulbrandsen
Favre's one of the top five NFL players of all time according to Frank Winters. I wouldn't agree with Old Bag of Donuts. Not sure he's one of the top five Packers of all time like the article stated.
Hey Frank. He "could have been" 1 of the top 5.
Now he's lucky to be top 25
Now he's lucky to be top 25
Originally Posted by oldschool:
How about some real life perspective from the cynical and self righteous anti-Favre crowd?
Umm. OK. Off to a good start. Calling out Favre's antics is now "cynical" and "self righteous". Can't wait to see where this goes!
If you really mean what you now say about Favre well then we have to tear Curly's name off the stadium and rename a Pub.
Mr. Lambeau was well known to take personal liberties with the wives and girlfriends of Packer players and he didn't hide it at all.
Know your history, and the history ain't that good. Lambeau's deeds makes Favre look like a piker.
Oh, I mean what I say about Favre. And, you conflating Lambeau's personal off the field life with Favre's on field and team related issues are confusing at best, and a reach of epic proportions at worst. I've seen some people complain about his off the field behavior with the texts and harrassment. But, the majority of this discussion with regards to retiring his number and/or putting him in the ring of honor have almost zero to do with cawk shots. They have almost 100% to do with the way that he was a drama queen, his constant need to be told how much they loved him, his absolute waffling, his expectation that the organization should cater to his every whim be it personnel or allowing him to retire/unretire/retire/unretire, and his petty vindictiveness as he left.
I'm still not exactly sure how my preference to not honor him alongside Nitschke and Starr because of his specific football related issues relates in any way, shape to Curly Lambeau's off the field sexual escapades.
Let me be more clear for you. I don't care where either of them stuck their junk. What I care about is the Green Bay Packers and their performance on the field and their ability to compete for players and championships.
Just sayin, ya can't have it both ways.
If fans can't forgive and forget with Favre they are complete hyprocrites for honoring a bigger real life scum bag like Curly Lambeau.
If we were dealing with a double standard, I'd agree. We aren't.
I don't forgive or forget what Lambeau did off the field. Know why? I don't care. He didn't do anything to damage the organization as he left, he didn't crap all over the fans, the players, the management.
I don't forgive or forget what Favre did, because he tried to damage the organization I root for. I don't give a rip about his small texts. I don't give a rip about him being a scumbag that cheats on his wife. The only thing I care about is how he tried sabotaging the Green Bay Packers, and that is the ONLY reason I don't want to honor him.
Don't kill the messenger it's just the plain truth.
It's not the plain truth. It's a massive reach on your part at best. Successful professional athletes are often scumbags off the field that can bag any woman they want at any time. That's not news, and that's not why anyone (well, at least the vast majority) is against Favre.
Originally Posted by YATittle:
If Hourning doesn't get his number retired due to off field activities, I don't think Favre should either. Consider how many Packer greats have not had their number retired, I favor the "unofficial" retirement option going forward.
Exactly how I think it should play out. The Packers held Hornung's number for 20 yrs before issuing it to another player. I'm not sure that was by design but it did set precedent.
I think they should hold off retiring Favre's number 4 but put him up in the ring of honor like every other HOF member. Maybe down the road retire it ifit seems right but I'd simply hold off until the next generation of fans roll in and give #4 to some left footed punter who never heard of a Brett Lorenzo Favre.
Originally Posted by Packy:
Favre's one of the top five NFL players of all time according to Frank Winters. I wouldn't agree with Old Bag of Donuts. Not sure he's one of the top five Packers of all time like the article stated.
Based on his career accomplishments I think it is impossible to say Favre isn't one of the top 5 Packers of all time. Guy was a hell of a player and did it year after year after year. He always showed up. He had warts as a player and could have been and should have been even better.
However what he did on the field is not up for debate. It's in the record. The guy was a great player. He was a prima-dona, selfish, drug abusing womanizer ass off it but so are a lot of people.
He was a great regular season qb. He was a horrible choker in the playoffs most of his career. I think he is very over rated and cost us a lot more titles than he won for us.
Favre and the Packers won a grand total of 3 playoff games from 1998 to 2007.
Just drove by #Packers shareholder walking with three kids ages 6-12 all in @AaronRodgers12 jerseys. The dad? A purple No 4 #Vikings jersey.
If I see that only one thought's going through my head.
Kidnapper!!!!!
Should be arrested for impersonating a father.
On the road to Pikes Peak.
Asked #Packers GM Ted Thompson his thoughts on process of organization and Brett Favre reconciling. His reply:
"I think it's wonderful. Talking about this place and what it means ... As others have said, this is going to happen. There will be a Brett-coming-back thing and him getting his due arms, as he should. The man played for a very long time here and was a marvelous, marvelous football player and a good person in the community, he and his wife. i think it means a lot for the Packers for Brett Favre to be remembered in a good light. I have no objections at all (to him returning)."
Asked if his relationship with Favre was the key to a reconciliation happening, Thompson replied, "When you talk about the Packers and Brett Favre, I'm way down on the list -- as I should be."
Regardless of all the other crap. At the end Bert could not handle the cold anymore. He looked like a frail old man in the last couple really cold games he played for GB, like he wanted to be anywhere else but out on the field. That is what turned me off the most before all the crap started flinging.
When he retired, I had a huge smile on my face & 1 tear rolled down my cheek because I knew...It was time!!
But now....as I look back at the entire thing. I'm very happy we won the Super Bowl we won in January of 1997.
I wonder if Brett is even remotely concerned about his legacy now.
I'm going to bawl like a little baby when TT retires.
Retiring Favre's number...I'm closer to accepting it than before. How about the rest of you? I guess you have to remember what he brought to the organization and not dwell on his time with Minn. So, like I said I'm closer but I think it could wait another year or so.