Grave Digger posted:The only difference between this D and the 2010 D, talent wise, is Charles Woodson.
CMIII at OLB is just another 4 game injury waiting to happen. He simply isn't the player he was since 2014, his last 10+ sack season.
For him to come close to playing 16 games, IMO Capers would have to play him largely at ILB. With the depth the Packers have outside, I just don't see that happening.
So, like others have said, that means players like Fackrell, Biegal, Elliot, and Adams and _____??? are going to need to generate a pass rush to make up for the current version of CMIII and the absence of Peppers.
It could happen, sure. But I'm not counting it.
My hope is GB can be somewhere in the top 12 in scoring defense. Depending on the year when you go back in stats, that means the Packers defense would give up somewhere between 19.5-20.8 points per game.
Assuming health is there for GB on both sides of the ball (meaning no catastrophic, multiple injuries), a defense like that would win GB plenty of games.
Because I fully expect the Packers offense to put up around 30+ points per game. I believe they are more then capable of that.
A top 2-3 scoring offense along with a top 12 scoring defense would mean a lot of 31-20, 28-17, 34-21 type wins. Fine by me.
Like always, it will come down to how healthy are they in January...
Of course, the offense could really help the defense out. It's easy to fantasize they could be a point-a-minute blitzkrieg (and I hope we have that capability!), but we need drives that cover 8-10-12 plays eating up 5-6-7 minutes.
The reality will likely be somewhere between, depending how a particular game flows. Nonetheless, it could be as big a factor in maintaining the health of the defense as any.
Mike Daniels played 49% of third down snaps in 2016. He's let it be known he's a team guy but he's not totally ok with it. I'm just spitballing here. But one of your best defensive players should be on the field on third down more than half the time Dom. Get your head out of your asshole.
Daniels now has some help with Adams, Francois, and if he is still around after his 4 game suspension, Guion.
USUALLY - the teams that make it to the SB (much less win it) are among the healthiest in the league. Good teams can usually absorb one major hit to their roster and still make it - assuming it isn't the QB - and still make it. The 2010 Packer team was very unusual in that respect.
ChilliJon posted:Mike Daniels played 49% of third down snaps in 2016. He's let it be known he's a team guy but it's not totally ok with with it. I'm just spitballing here. But one of your best defensive players should be on the field on third down more than half the time Dom. Get your head out of your asshole.
I've been baffled by that as well. You have an interior guy who can move the pocket. Why you take him off the field on 3rd down is beyond me.
It's early, I definitely didn't read it very well, (fill any other excuse here), but it get it now. Daniels isn't complaining about having to play 49% of 3rd down snaps, he is complaining about not having the opportunity to play more than 49% of the 3rd down snaps. Hmmm ....
I like that he wants to play more - and last season maybe he should have played more - IMO. But like I said - reinforcements have arrived. If anything though, it should help Daniels to stay fresher later in the year and maybe prolong his career.
Peppers and D. Jones took up many of Daniels snaps on 3rd down. Its a different team this year personal wise. Maybe scheme wise as well. Perhaps, more zone blitzes and inside pressures. It seems to me that if the team can trust its DB's, then it can blitz more. I would love to see Daniels push back a guard on third down and flush out a QB into the arms of a blitzer or vice versa.
Their base defense was Nickel most games and they treated almost every down like a passing down.
Jets expected to release ILB David Harris. 33 years old. He's always played with NY. Tackling machine. Great locker room guy. Was due $6.5 million this year which is why NY is letting him go. No dead cap hit.
He can still play and doesn't miss games. Very durable. One of the better defensive players in NY.
Edit. It's official. Jets have released David Harris. I would LOVE to see him in GB. True three down inside LB.
Yeah, Harris would be a good guy to bring in.
Except the D is moving further and further away from employing a "3-down linebacker". We're not seeing a traditional ILB develop or get drafted by GB because the trend is toward the S/ILB hybrid. You still need another true ILB next to that guy but even seems to be interchangeable unless you have a blue chipper like Keuchly.
packerboi posted:CMIII at OLB is just another 4 game injury waiting to happen. He simply isn't the player he was since 2014, his last 10+ sack season.
For him to come close to playing 16 games, IMO Capers would have to play him largely at ILB. With the depth the Packers have outside, I just don't see that happening.
So, like others have said, that means players like Fackrell, Biegal, Elliot, and Adams and _____??? are going to need to generate a pass rush to make up for the current version of CMIII and the absence of Peppers.
It could happen, sure. But I'm not counting it.
Clay missed 5 starts last year after starting 16 games in '15 and '14. He had 11 sacks in '14, led all ILB's in sacks in 2015, and still managed better than 1/2 sack average in the 9 games he was struggling with injury in 2016. So I don't really understand this idea that he's trending down. He's been nicked up over his career because of his playing style, but if he's even 75% throughout this season I expect he will have 10+ sacks. That's pretty reasonable IMO considering he won't be the focus of defenses with Perry coming off 11 sacks.
GB will have to make up 8.5 sacks that we lost with Peppers and Datone. Fackrell and Elliot combined for 3 last year, with Lowry chipping in another 2. If we can see a jump from them, which is possible with extended PT, we could easy make up for the losses in free agency. Expecting Biegel, if healthy, and Adams to chip in 3-5 sacks isn't asking that much considering we got 4 sacks from Fackrell and Lowry in their rookie years. We were 7th in the league in sacks in 2016 even though Clay only played 9 games, we should have a pretty fierce pass rush with everyone healthy.
Don't discount the Daniels/Clark duo stepping up their pressure from the middle. It will force the Q out of the pocket and toward the edgers.
Daniels had 4 sacks, which is about average for him. Clark struggled in the pass rusher if I remember correctly, he was outplayed by Dean Lowry. Hopefully we can get some improvement from him in that regard.
" I would love to see Daniels push back a guard on third down and flush out a QB into the arms of a blitzer or vice versa."
Even if there's no sack. As long as the run is contained, there aren't many QBs who can throw for **** on the run. In most cases you hope they take a shot. AR? Not so much.
Grave Digger posted:Daniels had 4 sacks, which is about average for him. Clark struggled in the pass rusher if I remember correctly, he was outplayed by Dean Lowry. Hopefully we can get some improvement from him in that regard.
Yes Daniels had a few sacks and that was despite not playing on third down half the time. He might do better this year with the personnel changes. He has a good burst off the ball.
I watched college tape on Clark and he was best on run defense. He seldom was fooled on running plays and could disengage from blocks well, probably due to his wrestling background. He is supposed to be even stronger this year. RJF will do well against the run if he has anything left in the tank. If we keep Guion, he has done well against the run and at the goaline. M. Adams is an unknown to me but will rotate inside as well. The job of the 3-4 linemen is to keep the blockers off the LB's and blitzers. We seldom see them with sacks.
So, I predict that Daniels should and will be used more on passing downs because we already have a decent run defense as it is.
Mike D would be great on third down. I wish he could play 100% of snaps, he goes hard every down. Hopefully with some more run stuffing beef in RJF, Clark, and Guion they can save Mike on early downs some and unleash him against the pass.
This all came about after it was pointed Mike plays less than 1/2 of third down snaps. Mike's response was "This is why people point at me and hate on my low sack numbers". He wasn't being super critical. Just mentioning his sack numbers are his sack numbers for a reason.
Oh, and I forgot Dean Lowery who was supposed to be improving by the end of the season. And Ringo, meh. I know we wont miss D. Jones much and Peppers (while good) really was not worth taking playing/practice time from the younger players. I see the end of the "Elephant" role.
Tdog posted:Why you take him off the field on 3rd down is beyond me.
Only the wizard knows
Grave Digger posted:Daniels had 4 sacks, which is about average for him. Clark struggled in the pass rusher if I remember correctly, he was outplayed by Dean Lowry. Hopefully we can get some improvement from him in that regard.
Yes, he was a 20yr old rookie. Any development from him next to Daniels will add to the pot.
If offseason accolades are correct Clark already has improved. I believe he was one of those rookies who were late to training because of the quarter system in college. I hear that the NFL is considering ending that restriction.
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Raise you hand if you expect the Packers to take a step forward this year!
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I raise my hand.
But since no one can see it - I have plausible deniability.
Super Bowl or bust. Nothing's changed.
Be glad nothing's changed or we'd be Cleveland fans saying, "Above .500 or bust!"
Yup, but that's been in the rearview mirror for decades now. Thank goodness.
PackerPatrick posted:If offseason accolades are correct Clark already has improved. I believe he was one of those rookies who were late to training because of the quarter system in college.
He is also one of those rookies who was a 20yr old rookie playing in the NFL. Kid's still maturing. Probably still a couple years before he starts to peak.
Didn't help Amobi Okoye at all...he was "19" (according to Goallines homeland) when he entered the league. He was probably more like 25.
Goalline posted:Really, I'm not Nigerian.
Neither am I. I like to be able to actually spell my name. Just saying .........
Goalline posted:Really, I'm not Nigerian.
I was talking about Kentucky. I thought you were from Kentucky?
No Goallines here....
Grave Digger posted:Goalline posted:Really, I'm not Nigerian.
I was talking about Kentucky. I thought you were from Kentucky?
Yes, I am from Kentucky.
I am from Wisconsin. I just live in Illinois.
I am from Wisconsin. I just had my brain damaged in Florida.
