CUPackFan posted:Even more trouble for Peppers. At this rate TT will be able to get him as a UDFA.
Why do people link pft garbage?
El-Typhoon-Bong posted:What do white women from Wisconsin think about him?
Wouldn't know how to deal with an intelligent white man, white women in Wisconsin only have enough intelligence to make black men their specialty. Women in the south know how to treat white men though, it's just the "Goallines" they treat as field hands.
Herschel posted:CUPackFan posted:Even more trouble for Peppers. At this rate TT will be able to get him as a UDFA.
Why do people link pft garbage?
Because buried under Florio's crap opinions is actual news. It's hard to find sports news anymore that isn't buried under opinions from the Naglers that run these sites.
Not really PFT garbage. PFT actually calls in to question Schefter's report.
I'm betting Shefter's source is a smokescreen.
Jeff Janis! is a fast white guy, and what did that get the Packers?
One of the most exciting finishes, in regulation time, ever for a playoff game.
What were we saying about picks and rankings being locked in? This seems a bit smokescreeny to me. Probably had a white woman get in his face about playing in the bowl game.
TT talked about this kind of thing in his presser. Teams start rumors to try to drive down stock of players they may want to draft.
Okay here is my uneducated guess as to how Round 1 shakes out:
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio St.
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
5. Titans (from Rams): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
6. Jets: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
7. Chargers: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.
8. Panthers: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
9. Bengals: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
10. Bills: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
11. Saints: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
12. Browns (from Eagles): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
13. Cardinals: Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
14. Eagles (from Vikings): Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
15. Colts: Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
16. Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
17. Redskins: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
18. Titans: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: David Njoku, TE, Miami
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: John Ross, WR, Washington
24. Raiders: Budda Baker, S, Washington
25. Texans: Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
26. Seahawks: Demarcus Walker, DE, Florida St.
27. Chiefs: TJ Watt, LB, Wisconsin
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU
30. Steelers: Jordan Willis, OLB, Kansas St.
31. Falcons: Marcus Maye, S, Florida
32. Saints from (Patriots): Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
White is probably the only true #1 CB after Conley, Lattimore, Jackson, and Sid Jones. He has the flexibility to play inside and outside, the ball skills, the aggressiveness, and the instincts to play early on opposite Randall. He has punt return skills as well.
With the exception of Garrett going to Cleveland at number 1. The next virtually certain lock is Fournette going to Jax at 4.
I would still take Humphrey over White at 29. I'd take Awuzie over White at 29. I'd take Watt over White at 29. Assuming of course all three are available at 29.
I could live with White as our choice. Only thing I would question about the list is Walker going to Seahawks, don't think he is a First Round guy. I could see McKinley going in that spot?
I think we will see some surprises. The media overrates some guys and underrates some guys. Guys like Walker and Engram are badly underrated IMO, Walker had 26 sacks over he last 2 seasons! He has that kind of Michael Bennett flexibility, being a power End and speed interior player, that I think they grab him.
To me, based on what we've seen with Thompson the last couple years, they're looking for flexibility. Guys who can play 3 downs on D at various positions. Humphrey is an outside corner only and he struggles with the deep ball, he's not going to slide down to the Slot and cover Julian Edelman in a pinch. Awuzie fits the bill also, I could see that, but I think White is a better player overall.
White never met a tackle he was in a hurry to make. He's not helping you out much with run support. He's a better pure cover guy than Humphrey or Awuzie. But not by much. And certainly not enough of a gap to overlook White's 190lb frame and reluctance to get dirty in the run game.
I think Humphrey is gone well before 29 though.
From the always-controversial PFF:
[White] missed just five tackles, ranking in the top 21 percent of all cornerbacks with at least 500 defensive snaps this year.
Improved tremendously in coverage from 2015 to 2016. His NFL passer rating allowed dropped from 114.4 to 60.6, his touchdowns allowed dropped from six to three, and his completion percentage allowed dropped from 57.7 percent to 41.7 percent.
On Humphrey:
Fairly sure tackler, missing just six tackles throughout 2016.
As good as he is with the play in front of him, he definitely struggled on deep passes. Gave up an average of 16.3 yards per catch in 2016, and 17.4 in 2015.
On Awuzie:
Improved at getting his hands on the ball on in 2016, with pass breakups going from five in 2015 to nine this past year.
Needs to improve his technique as a tackler. Far too often he goes in high and looking for a big hit. Missed 33 tackles over the past three years and will likely miss even more against bigger, stronger NFL receivers.
It seems as though Humphrey's best fit will be in a Zone scheme. He's great with the ball in front of him, maybe struggles with the deep ball. Awuzie seems like maybe he would fit better in a Zone scheme also, but does offer scheme and position flexibility. White seems to be the best fit from a scheme standpoint, he's aggressive and can be put on an island with receivers.
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Marlon Humphrey ranks better than the draft class average in every major category.
Tweet from PFF was posted one month ago. So, there's that. I like Awuzie. A lot. I think GB could trade down a little and still get him.
Keep coming back to Watt being the safest possible pick at 29. There might be player that may end up being better than Watt. But you have a pretty good idea what Watt's floor is, which is pretty high.
Grave Digger posted:I think we will see some surprises.
I'm not trying to say Humphrey isn't good, I don't think he's a guy you put on an island against Odell Beckham though. We already have 2 tall/long CBs that struggle to cover deep (Gunter, House), we need someone with Shield's/Tramon's ability to play aggressive with receivers and stick with them all over the field, often times without Safety help. Neither of those guys seemed to particularly enjoy run support either. We have good tackling Safeties who can play the ball in front of them, we need to solve the shortage of good downfield coverage from our CB position.
Gareon Conley Accused of Sexual Assault
Obviously just accusations at this point, but that's going to be a controversial pick. Reminds me of La'El Collins. Collins ultimately was cleared, correct? Still made him radioactive on draft night. Gotta think this knocks Conley out of the draft like it did Collins.
EDIT: Boss beat me by 34 seconds.
Tweets found on internet:
"Fact of the day. Jabrill Peppers has more failed drug tests than wins against Ohio State"
Minute later....
"Fact of the day. Gareon Conley has more rape investigations than OSU had points vs Clemson"
The way defensive players are dropping it might be an all offensive round one.
Grave Digger posted:Okay here is my uneducated guess as to how Round 1 shakes out:
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio St.
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
5. Titans (from Rams): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
6. Jets: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
7. Chargers: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.
8. Panthers: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
9. Bengals: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
10. Bills: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
11. Saints: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
12. Browns (from Eagles): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
13. Cardinals: Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
14. Eagles (from Vikings): Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
15. Colts: Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
16. Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
17. Redskins: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
18. Titans: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: David Njoku, TE, Miami
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: John Ross, WR, Washington
24. Raiders: Budda Baker, S, Washington
25. Texans: Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
26. Seahawks: Demarcus Walker, DE, Florida St.
27. Chiefs: TJ Watt, LB, Wisconsin
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU
30. Steelers: Jordan Willis, OLB, Kansas St.
31. Falcons: Marcus Maye, S, Florida
32. Saints from (Patriots): Marlon Humphrey, CB, AlabamaWhite is probably the only true #1 CB after Conley, Lattimore, Jackson, and Sid Jones. He has the flexibility to play inside and outside, the ball skills, the aggressiveness, and the instincts to play early on opposite Randall. He has punt return skills as well.
Hmmmm. I think some team will draft a QB in round one.
when has it ever happened that no QB was drafted in the first round?
GrainBelt66 posted:Grave Digger posted:Okay here is my uneducated guess as to how Round 1 shakes out:
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio St.
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Jonathan Allen, DT, Alabama
5. Titans (from Rams): Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
6. Jets: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
7. Chargers: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio St.
8. Panthers: Derek Barnett, DE, Tennessee
9. Bengals: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
10. Bills: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
11. Saints: Charles Harris, DE, Missouri
12. Browns (from Eagles): Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
13. Cardinals: Haason Reddick, LB, Temple
14. Eagles (from Vikings): Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
15. Colts: Jarrad Davis, LB, Florida
16. Ravens: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
17. Redskins: Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt
18. Titans: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: David Njoku, TE, Miami
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: John Ross, WR, Washington
24. Raiders: Budda Baker, S, Washington
25. Texans: Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss
26. Seahawks: Demarcus Walker, DE, Florida St.
27. Chiefs: TJ Watt, LB, Wisconsin
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: Tre’Davious White, CB, LSU
30. Steelers: Jordan Willis, OLB, Kansas St.
31. Falcons: Marcus Maye, S, Florida
32. Saints from (Patriots): Marlon Humphrey, CB, AlabamaWhite is probably the only true #1 CB after Conley, Lattimore, Jackson, and Sid Jones. He has the flexibility to play inside and outside, the ball skills, the aggressiveness, and the instincts to play early on opposite Randall. He has punt return skills as well.
Hmmmm. I think some team will draft a QB in round one.
when has it ever happened that no QB was drafted in the first round?
No QB and 3 RB. I don't see it.
I'm going to break the rules and not quote Grave Digger.
At least there is a Taco in there.
Every team is looking to move down. Ted stands pat with the first round pick, but trades up in the second round and blows everyones mind. Selects a guard with the pick.
1. Browns: Myles Garrett, DE, TAMU
2. 49ers: Solomon Thomas, DE, Stanford
3. Bears: Jamal Adams, S, LSU
4. Jaguars: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU
5. Titans: Marshon Lattimore, CB, Ohio St.
6. Jets: OJ Howard, TE, Alabama
7. Chargers: Malik Hooker, S, Ohio State
8. Panthers: Christian McCaffrey, RB, Stanford
9. Bengals: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama
10. Bills: Hassan Reddick,LB, Temple
11. Saints: Derek Barnett, DE, TN
12. Browns: Mitchell Trubiski, QB, NC
13. Cardinals: Patrick Maholmes, QB, Texas Tech
14. Eagles: Marlon Humphrey, CB, Alabama
15. Colts: Charles Harris, OLB, Missouri
16. Ravens: Mike Williams, WR, Clemson
17. Redskins: Johnathan Allen, DE, Alabama
18. Titans: John Ross, WR, Washington
19. Buccaneers: Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida St.
20. Broncos: Ryan Ramzcyk, OT, Wisconsin
21. Lions: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan
22. Dolphins: Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
23. Giants: Garrett Bolles, OT, Utah
24. Raiders: Jarrad Davis, ILB, Florida
25. Texans: Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson
26. Seahawks: Cam Robinson, OT, Alabama
27. Chiefs: Zach Cunningham, ILB, Vanderbilt.
28. Cowboys: Adoree Jackson, CB, USC
29. Packers: TJ Watt, OLB, Wisconsin
30. Steelers: Jabrill Peppers, S, Michigan
31. Falcons: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan
32. Saints: Takk McKinley, OLB, UCLA
For Ted to give up that first round pick also means he has to give up that option year for the first player he drafts. That's a big deal when you are as big a tightwad as Ted is. He'll probably have to be blown away by an offer to move out of round one, and I'm not seeing a scenario where a team would be willing to give up that much.
I also seeing pretty good candidates at the end of round two so would guess Thompson sits still there. End of round three looking pretty questionable, could move up (D'Onta Freeman?, Shaquill Griffin?) if he wants to play the quality game or move down if he wants to play the quantity game.
Even for their mock draft espn goes to commercial before the Packers pick.
Goalline posted:Even for their mock draft espn goes to commercial before the Packers pick.
golden. love it.
Sarcasm alert on ** Can't you just feel the Packer love? ** Sarcasm alert off
Makes perfect sense, actually, with a four-pick segment, breaking it down in to 8 segments for picks, not some conspiracy.
CBS Sports mock still has Conley going to the Packers in round 1. Not too sure about that now unless he gets exonerated in the next day which probably won't happen. I wonder how far he falls and which GM, if any, will take a chance on him? This will cost him a lot of money whether guilty or not.
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La'el Collins went undrafted and he wasn't even a suspect in a murder, he just had a relationship with the victim and was brought in for questioning. I would say Conley is heading in that direction. He's a PR disaster for any team, it's not like bringing in a drug user like Randy Gregory, this is a being okay with bringing an accused rapist on your team. Not team wants that, even for a 7th round pick. Even a hint of an issue, like in Collins case, is enough to spook every team from drafting a player all together.
Sounds like the Bucs are interested in moving back from 19, I wonder what their demands would be? Moving from 29 to 19 would normally likely require throwing in a 2nd (based on the trade value chart) for a team trying to move up, but would Tampa accept a little less so they could drop back? Which player falling to 19 would motivate you to move up?
For me if Malik Hooker somehow fell to 19 I wouldn't think twice, he looks like the next Ed Reed to me. Personally I think he's the best player in the draft. Maybe Haason Reddick to anchor the middle of our D? Derrick Barnett perhaps, he looks like a guy who has the football IQ and attitude to be an elite pass rusher.
Going from 29 to 19 would probably cost GB it's second and get back Tampa's 4th. GB would have a first (19). No second, a third, two fourths, two fifths, a sixth and a seventh.
I don't see anyone at 19 (Other than Hooker or Fournette) that Ted would value higher than his second round pick. I think Ted is legitimately more excited about who he might find at the end of round two than he is vs. the end of round one. If Tampa was willing to give Ted a third back instead of a fourth??? Then maybe.
The Packers lost too many of their own free agents to come out of this draft with any less than 8 players. I don't see any scenario were I would make a dramatic move up. As much as I like Reddick and think he could finally solve the inside linebacker problem that has lasted for years, I just don't think the team can afford to give up what they would have to give up to get him.
If it was a minor move where the Packers just moved up few spots and it only involved swapping picks later (move up 3 spots in round one and move back 20 spots later in the draft), that seems more likely...just as long as it didn't result in a net loss of draft picks.
I usually hate the idea of trading future picks but this draft would be a rare exception. The Packers are on schedule for having 12 picks in next year's draft (their own 7, 4 compensatory and 1 in the Lerentee McCray trade), and I don't think there is any need to have 12 draft picks + a couple undrafted rookies on the 53 to start the season. Looks great on paper at the beginning of the year, doesn't look so great in the playoffs. They can save those picks to try and swing trade up's in 2018, or maybe they could move a 2018 pick to try and pick up an extra 2017 pick. Cleveland have a bunch of picks and already filled some needs in free agency, if they strike out in trying to move up from 12 they might be happy to trade one of their picks this year because they would still have 10 left (5 of first 65, all in top 188). If the right player fell to the first pick in the fourth (#108), the Packers could swap their 2018 3rd round pick for pick #108 this year. The Packers third round pick this year is #93, so if they have a similar year next year it's probably only a 12-20 spot move down the board to get an extra pick a year early. Cleveland isn't so interested in the amount of the move up, just the guarantee that it would be a move up and more importantly pushes the pick into next year. Something to consider.