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CB, OG, RB, P
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No need to draft a punter. Found Schum in his mom's basement, and he's been more than adequate. Hell, load up on D and never punt.
Never can have enough OL, DB and pass rushers. Throw in a 3rd down back and SB here we come. And since the Janis/ABBY era is over a reciever to acclimate into the system will be needed sooner or later.
my thoughts are Lacy and Micheal are here, Peppers is gone, who knows about Sam S but all indications are not good. Lang is showing some wear and tear.
It's a given in today's NFL your starting running back is going to miss time. We don't need a RB we need 2 of them.
We go into next year with a recycled vet, just keeping a couple steps behind Billy B.
Who is next years Blount, that is the real question.
Christian McCaffrey declares for the draft. Not sure where you line him up, but the dude is a playmaker...and the fans need another great white hope to believe in now that Abby is gone.
Split his alignments with Monty & Cobb. Put all 3 on the field with at least 1 in the backfield. They can all run it and they can all catch it. Adams and Jordy outside with Cobb, or Monty, or McCaffrey in the slot, then the other 2 in the backfield. Motion 1 or both from the backfield... scheme.
Alvin Kamara is a guy to watch in Round 2. Similar to McCaffrey except a lot more tread on his tires. Didn't get enough opportunities at Tennessee, made the most of every chance he did get though. I've seen comparisons to Jamaal Charles also.
PackFoo posted:Needs...
CB, OG, RB, P
If Shields is done:
CB, CB, RB, TE, OLB, RB, WR, OG, ILB, TE, S, P
I'm all for cleaning out the back end of the cornerback depth chart and wiping the running back position clean. Wouldn't mind seeing Ted dip into the free agent market for one player at each of these positions (won't happen) and then use a draft pick on each of these positions. I don't see OG being as big a need as many others. 4 of the 5 starters return and even if both Lang and Tretter leave, the Packers will draft a middle round offensive lineman and one of the three should fill the hole when added in the Spriggs/Murphy mix.
Ted will draft someone from Stanford or UCLA
I don't think the Packers have 12 picks in 2017.
Can Ted just draft Alabamas front 7? Only problem is three of them will be gone by the time GB is on the clock. Rueben Foster is better than CJ Mosley. I have no idea how Saban keeps finding these ILBs year after year.
OJ Howard would work fine too.
Lacy, Monty and Michael/Crockett will likely be the incumbents with a couple of UDFAs for competition at RB. I don't think TT goes draft pick there unless someone offers Lacy dumb money. All are young guys.
OL might be in play with Tretter, Lang and maybe even Bulaga all possibilities to be gone. Murphy has basically been inactive all season so we really have no idea where he might be.
CB will almost definitely be in play, especially if Shields and Hyde are not on the roster for next season.
OLB is a need also even if Perry is re-signed as neither he nor Matthews has played a full season in recent history and Peppers and Jones possibly (probably?) aren't back either.
" ....with the 32nd Pick....the Green Bay Packers select: TE Troy Fumagalli ! " 
I'd rather have the Penn State kid, but Troy is going to be good.
PackFoo posted:Needs...
CB, OG, RB, P
CB, OLB, OG
Re-sign Lacy and pair him with Monty and Rip.
All Set at RB except for the UDFA
Corner will come up in the first or second round (or both). I can also see Ted taking another d-lineman with the second or third pick.
How early will he take a WR?
No earlier than 32nd.
Another 2nd or 3rd rounder?
Pass Rusher(DE or OLB or both), CB, OG, TE, RB, WR. I'd like to see them sign Michael and resign Lacy cheap. Look to FA for veteran CB and draft one more. At TE I like Fumigalli or Leggett from Clemson. Resign Cook, Lang, Perry....
Fumagalli in 2018?
Corner seems like a safe bet early and that's what TT does unless there is a decent DL available.
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The Packers' problems at cornerback are pretty well documented. Sam Shields may never play again, and reports have indicated that he'll be released this offseason. Fortunately for Green Bay, there are a number of talented corners expected to be available at the end of the first round.
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T.J. Watt - OLB, Wisconsin
Similar to Clay Matthews coming out, Watt is a one-year star with great potential.
I have no idea how Saban keeps finding these ILBs year after year.
Somehow I have a feeling illegal payments are involved.
I'd like to see Watt, one of the 'Bama backers or a CB in round 1, with an outside shot at OJ Howard, which means it'll probably be McKinley or Vanderdosenvontwinkletoes from UCLA or Cooper Kupp at WR.
PackFoo posted:Christian McCaffrey declares for the draft. Not sure where you line him up, but the dude is a playmaker...and the fans need another great white hope to believe in now that Abby is gone.
I have seen this guy on mock drafts ending up in GB. I do think the guy was a playmaker in college and could be in the right offense in the NFL he might be ok. I its just not what the Packers need right now. They need defense in the worlds worst way at pretty much every position.
Was listening to Leroy Butler on his take on the DB's the Packers have. He hopes the Packers are done with the converted basketball players and prospects who haven't played CB more then a year. He believes GB needs to find a pure CB and not a kid they are going to try to convert from another sport or even from safety.
I'd have to agree. This Packer team has a slew of safeties on this team (mainly SS). That includes Rollins who many felt coming out of the draft he was much more suited at safety vs CB.
BPA
But, but HYBRID PLAYERS! Cover like a safety, tackle like a corner!
Er, wait........
Let's see how Randall and Rollins perform in year 3 before we start talking what qualities we should or shouldn't be looking for going forward. Last year we were talking about how much Rollins basketball skills translated to his footwork and ball skills and about how much Randall's experience in baseball would help him cover ground in Zone. Just like with Adams and his ankle, CBs need to have healthy legs to get the job done otherwise they're constantly a step slow or distracted by pain or whatever.
That's not to say finding an experienced CB or S is a bad thing. The upside to guys like Rollins and Shields though is that they aren't experienced enough to get bad habits ingrained yet. They're raw and they're underrated because they're so raw. It's a boom or bust, you can end up with Sam Shields who gets it and develops into a Pro Bowl player or you end up with Demetri Goodson who can't figure it out (he also had a big basketball career if I'm not mistaken).
I was being half facetious, but I think finding a good "pure" corner or two is important. Guys who can just line up anywhere are extremely rare and while havings jacks-of-all-trades would be nice, masters-of-none get exploited in the league.
It also doesn't help that they have mis-matched corners with guys suited for zone and others for man and little in between.
Let's see how Randall and Rollins perform in year 3 before we start talking what qualities we should or shouldn't be looking for going forward.
Really depends on their development in the current scheme vs a new scheme, eh?
it'll probably be McKinley or Vanderdosenvontwinkletoes from UCLA or Cooper Kupp at WR.
You don't want another white wideout? Jordy is getting up there in years, and the Janis! ship has sailed, I think.
Herschel posted:But, but HYBRID PLAYERS! Cover like a safety, tackle like a corner!
Er, wait........
Clone Micah Hyde 10 times and line him up at every position on the D. You now have a squad full of "football players" who can't do anything well.
I could see any position outside of OL and QB in the first 2 rounds. A dynamic athlete at RB, WR or TE would be welcomed. Front 7 always needs players, whether it's outside pass rush, big guys up front, or a playmaking ILB. Safety is set with Clinton-Dix and Burnett but could see a hybrid guy that can also play in the slot. As weird as it sounds, CB would be somewhat surprising first round pick only b/c we have so much youth there already. Not sure it makes sense to have your #1 through #4 CBs have 2 years or less experience. If a great one drops you take him, but you can only develop so many young guys at one position. IMO, the CB group needs a veteran, not more youth.
Peppers will be an interesting guy to watch. He was touted as top 5 then was outed a bit in the last month of the college season as a non-playmaker without a position. I'm not that high on him but at 29, he may be worth a shot. I also really like OJ Howard but he's going to shoot up draft boards. I'd be shocked if he was available at 29.
Micah Hyde is like the overwieght middle aged guy in pick up basketball. He's not fast, but he is hard to move. Still, somehow he can juke you the wrong direction, pick your pocket while standing still and shoot a flat jumper that always goes in.
And he's a little racist.
That is Micah Hyde
Autobiographical dream?
I'm a little fast
So close.
Ted likes his corners tall, versatile with great ball skills. Not sure if Desmond King is necessarily a first rounder but he might be somebody Ted takes a long look at.
I think he is a first rounder
D. King is also a pretty darn good punt and kickoff returner.
I don't see him being athletic enough to be a #1 corner. Talk coming out of Senior Bowl that he would be better suited for safety.
Fedya posted:I have no idea how Saban keeps finding these ILBs year after year.
Somehow I have a feeling illegal payments are involved.
Oh no I am sure he lures them there based upon Alabama academic stature that rivals Harvard and Yale. And of course Tuscaloosa being so exotic and beautiful.
At the risk of sounding like Al Davis, I think the secondary has more than its share of 4.50+ 40-yd dash types.
packmon posted:Ted likes his corners tall, versatile with great ball skills. Not sure if Desmond King
But Desmond King is not tall. 5-10 1/8. Probably too short for Ted's liking, even though Ted loves his Hawkeyes.
King had a disappointing season this year and while he plays bigger than his size I would stay away from him.
The two O$U corners (Lattimore and Conley) might be worth a look and the Bucks have a long history of producing decent NFL DBs. Same thing with the LSU corners.
The one intriguing guy to me is Jackson out of U$C. Not the biggest dude either at 5'11" but he's quick and makes a lot of plays on the ball. He could also make a big time impact as a return guy.
Will TT move up, or trade up, in the 1st round to get someone? For me, the number one priority is to protect Aaron Rodgers. OG may be in play if they don't resign TJ Lang. Lang's current back up is Don Barclay, with Spriggs sometimes filling in there. Do we want to do that to ARod? Lane Taylor's current back up is also Barclay.
5'-11" is generous. He seems very slight. But the speed is intriguing. He makes plays on the ball because his make up speed puts him in position. Good body control to contest balls and make the catch. You'd hope he has a little more growing to do physically.
Herschel posted:I was being half facetious, but I think finding a good "pure" corner or two is important. Guys who can just line up anywhere are extremely rare and while havings jacks-of-all-trades would be nice, masters-of-none get exploited in the league.
It also doesn't help that they have mis-matched corners with guys suited for zone and others for man and little in between.
Its been my take for some time that our players have not been suited to the scheme. The reason for the scheme was unclear to me but my guess is that injuries and talent (or lack thereof) was the reason.
In the thread on fixing the defense I really felt that a really good corner would do wonders for this defense. Shields used to be the man who allowed R&R and the hosts of UDFA's to play second and third fiddle's. That did not mean that having one made us a top defense. But it helped.
I expect improvement from our current backups at CB yet that will not be enough to cover the loss of Shields. We draft not only at the bottom of the first round but in every round. So, we need an experienced CB from FA. I don't know who but somebody needs to take on that role. Once we traded a 2nd rounder for Al Harris and it was well worth it.
If we simply replace DC that will not be enough and neither will a draft pick be enough to help in the short term. Besides draft picks themselves are a crap shoot.
mrtundra posted:Will TT move up, or trade up, in the 1st round to get someone? For me, the number one priority is to protect Aaron Rodgers. OG may be in play if they don't resign TJ Lang. Lang's current back up is Don Barclay, with Spriggs sometimes filling in there. Do we want to do that to ARod? Lane Taylor's current back up is also Barclay.
Unless we are going to be a power-run first team, guard is a position you can get by with someone decent, but not great. Sure I'd rather have an All-World guard than not, but OT is exponentially more important and I'd rather use a high pick on ILB, CB, TE, or RB than OG. Lane Taylor wasn't great, but how many games did he lose for us? About as close to zero as you can get. How many games did having a lousy set of CBs or ILBs or TEs lose us during the last few years - a lot.
As for Barclay, I agree, but guys better than Barclay are probably on practice squads all over the league. It's puzzling why they keep him - he's the Carl Bradford of the offense.
The Heckler posted:Fedya posted:I have no idea how Saban keeps finding these ILBs year after year.
Somehow I have a feeling illegal payments are involved.
Oh no I am sure he lures them there based upon Alabama academic stature that rivals Harvard and Yale. And of course Tuscaloosa being so exotic and beautiful.
Just like Oklahoma and Nebraska in the 70s and 80s.
Whatever the method Nick utilized. Rolando McClain, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley, Reggie Ragland. This year it's Rueben Foster. Throw in OLB Tim Williams going in round 1. Not sure if it's Nick seeing the talent or just knowing how to coach the position. OLB Ryan Anderson might end up being the best pro out of all three but he's not going until round 2.
Adoree Jackson might have the most upside of any player in the draft. He has the athletic upside to be a lock down #1 CB, if he's there at 29 then I would be surprised if TT passes.
There will be some good values on CBs after round 1. Cam Sutton (Tennessee) and Dwayne Thomas (LSU) are both really good players who are being undervalued for injuries. Sutton had a broken ankle in 2016, but was the previous two seasons at UT. Really aggressive and instinctive player. Once he's 100% healthy in 2017 I expect him to be better. Thomas was a really consistent performer for LSU, great tackler and tracks the ball well. Either would do well in this scheme IMO and could be had in R2.
Tennessee player I like a lot is RB Alvin Kamara.
The reason for the scheme was unclear to me
We do what we do; Pittsburgh Macho; self-scouting; yada yada yada
ChilliJon posted:Whatever the method Nick utilized. Rolando McClain, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley, Reggie Ragland. This year it's Rueben Foster. Throw in OLB Tim Williams going in round 1. Not sure if it's Nick seeing the talent or just knowing how to coach the position. OLB Ryan Anderson might end up being the best pro out of all three but he's not going until round 2.
Saban gets the best talent at pretty much every position.
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ChilliJon posted:Tennessee player I like a lot is RB Alvin Kamara.
Me too, not sure he would make it to us in R2 though. Really natural runner with elite physical skill. Sadly he was buried on the depth chart at Alabama, transferred, and never really got a chance to be the feature back at TN. Every time he did though he made the most of it.
Pays the best talent?
Grave Digger posted:Adoree Jackson might have the most upside of any player in the draft. He has the athletic upside to be a lock down #1 CB, if he's there at 29 then I would be surprised if TT passes.
There will be some good values on CBs after round 1. Cam Sutton (Tennessee) and Dwayne Thomas (LSU) are both really good players who are being undervalued for injuries. Sutton had a broken ankle in 2016, but was the previous two seasons at UT. Really aggressive and instinctive player. Once he's 100% healthy in 2017 I expect him to be better. Thomas was a really consistent performer for LSU, great tackler and tracks the ball well. Either would do well in this scheme IMO and could be had in R2.
Cam Sutton looked really good in the Senior Bowl yesterday. Very impressive physical corner. He actually played outside, nickel slot and safety. Lots to like.
247 has packers drafting young Watt in the first. A bit high?
Wisconsin-based Packer fans are going to have the world's biggest collective orgasm if TT picks Watt in the first. 
No way Watt is BPA at 29.
Nope.
Fedya posted:Wisconsin-based Packer fans are going to have the world's biggest collective orgasm WTF is he thinking if TT picks Watt in the first.
FTFY
Most players who don't need to declare, don't declare if they haven't received a 1st or 2nd round grade for the draft advisory board. Watt probably received a R2 grade and I doubt he interviews poorly, so unless he completely tanks all the workouts then I don't think it's unrealistic to think a team at the end of R1 could consider him. At this stage I don't think he's a first rounder, but he's a guy I would peg as a riser over the next 4 months.
I'd take him at the end if Rd 1.
PackerPatrick posted:247 has packers drafting young Watt in the first. A bit high?
Probably about right. I'd be happy with he, Tim Wiilliams, Ryan Anderson or Takkarist McKinley there.
I'd put a solid middle of round two grade on Watt, but that's assuming all the medicals are OK. His knees could be a cause for concern.
Some talk about young Watt being a late bloomer like Clay and he is moving up the boards. I wonder how much of that is just because of his name?
I am a BPA kind of guy myself and prefer to see how things play out with medicals and testing etc.
I hope whoever we pick has some speed and smarts.
Yeah I'm sure his name is playing a part of it, just as it did for Clay. People know JJ's background, what he brings to the table on the mental side. It's fair to assume that attitude and intelligence isn't limited to just JJ, his brothers have that as well. Derek wasn't overrated though based only on his name, he went in r6. TJ has real skill, as PJ said though he has to show that he's clean medically.
So a name I have seen associated with the Packers is Peppers from Michigan. Me personally I think he is kind of over rated and I question if he really is that great of a cover guy. Great athlete but I wonder if the Packers would take him? Which of course assumes he slides down draft boards and lands in our spot. (which I don't think he will)
Peppers is one guy that there seems to be a lack of consensus on. Some analysts love him, while others think he is hype. We will probably never know what TT thinks of him...of course unless we draft him.
Thinking outside of the box here.
It seems like most of our first round picks have been on defense for the last 10 years. The results were mixed. Drafting at the bottom of the rounds is tough. Moving up is expensive. I wonder if combining a player with a bottom of a round pick could help us move up to get an impact player at the top of a round?
What position does Peppers actually play and how will he adapt to the NFL?
If I had to guess? That Charles Woodson Roving Nickel Back/Safety/LB hybrid position. He's really quick with great instincts, but I think he tackles too poorly to be considered a full-time SS (I see him launch/hit more than tackle through) and he's not proven he has the ball hawking skills to be a full-time FS. He doesn't, and may not ever, have the bulk to be a full-time LB. Basically he's Micah Hyde except much more athletic and less racist.
I think Peppers has garnered some of the comparisons with Woodson based on his return ability. However, I just do not see the "play-making" instincts while playing defense. He had only 1 INT. & 10 passes defended in his Michigan career.
I don't think he compares to Woodson at all. Woodson was a pure CB/WR who could play other positions. Peppers has never had a true position, he's just a guy who can do a little bit of everything.
If Peppers is taken in the first round, I think someone is going to be disappointed
So he's a football player? Thompson will trade up to get him and the Wizard will optimize his skills.
While I am anything but a draft guru, this discussion about Peppers reminds me of the Honey Badger. He turned out OK. Sometimes a guy can just play.
Nothing at all like the Honey Badger
chickenboy posted:While I am anything but a draft guru, this discussion about Peppers reminds me of the Honey Badger. He turned out OK. Sometimes a guy can just play.
IDK, Honey Badger had 17 passes defended in his senior year alone!
chickenboy posted:While I am anything but a draft guru, this discussion about Peppers reminds me of the Honey Badger. He turned out OK. Sometimes a guy can just play.
We haven't seen him play that kind of FS role. Pro comparison wise I see maybe a little taller version of TJ Ward, maybe a Danieal Manning type player.
To me, he never played a position in college.
To clarify, I wasn't referring to the position he plays, only to the comments that make it appear that he could fall. HB fell to the third round and has performed as first round talent.
While I am anything but a draft guru,
That's putting it mildly.
Tyrann went in the third round because he couldn't stay off the weed. I mean, is there a bigger red flag than Les Miles throwing you off his team? Tyrann entered drug rehab. And then was arrested a few months later for possession. Hard to believe he even went in round three
In closing. They have nothing in common. Not in play style, lifestyle, clothing style, or hair style.
Makes me wonder if cb is trying to make a bad comparison, or if this all just comes naturally to him.
Fedya posted:it'll probably be McKinley or Vanderdosenvontwinkletoes from UCLA or Cooper Kupp at WR.
You don't want another white wideout? Jordy is getting up there in years, and the Janis! ship has sailed, I think.
Hey another Hillary voter, welcome
What Patty and I think about the Badgers.
Ram seems to be a first round favorite for everyone, but with his surgery and not being able to do anything football related for months, he could be an early second round pick.
Watt is a second rounder IMHBAAO.
Beigel in the 4th round. Steal for someone.
CC in the 5th round. If he could be healthy, not a bad back to get here. I don't see him staying healthy.
Shelton is a wildcard. Might be a 5th, might be an UDFA.
Bart Houston will sign with the Packers and be the player everyone has wanted for a long, long time. His 10 year career with the Pack will be littered with touchdowns and amazing plays. He will go down as one of the best Tight Ends Ted has ever found.
Hey, read that there is a DB projected to be end of first round by the name of Malik Hooker. That would continue our innuendo trend with a Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Fackwell, and then Hooker.
Sounds sexy!
But seriously, who I actually prefer is Marlon Humphrey ,Alabama. Good size and speed. Probably is best suited to perimeter. That lets R&R stay as #2 and #3.
I would prefer a good proven high value vet FA but that's not going to happen.
PackFoo posted:Christian McCaffrey declares for the draft. Not sure where you line him up, but the dude is a playmaker...and the fans need another great white hope to believe in now that Abby is gone.
A columnist on Bleacher Report says we get McCaffrey in the 1st round. I've also seen others say we get OT Forrest Lamp of Western Kentucky, S Jabril Peppers of Michigan, CB Gareon Conley of Ohio State, in the 1st round. The writer who said we get Conley also said we get TE Evan Engram of Ole Miss in the 2nd. Another TE one guy picked for us in the 2nd is Jordan Leggett of Clemson. Of all these early predictions the one I don't like is Peppers. I can live with the rest although I seriously doubt TT will pick a RB in the 1st. Mock drafts are fun to read but rarely have they correctly guessed GBs picks. After everyone had us picking an ILB, like Reggie Ragland, TT picks Randall and then Rollins.
I still have reservations about Alabama players. It's been a mixed bag of success. They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it. That lines up with what we've seen from guys like Lacy. I don't doubt the physical skill, but their attitude/off-field should be treated as unknowns because of how Saban conducts his program.
If Jabrill Peppers was 10-15 lbs heavier at UMich then I would take him in a heartbeat. He has the instincts and aggression of a LB, he just doesn't have the size/strength to hold up. I always want to compare him to Shaq Thompson because of that unique versatility, but Thompson was 225 I believe at UW. Not too big of a change for him to go from 225 to 235 to play LB in the NFL. Peppers would have to go from 205 to 235, much different.
They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it.
He was tough on eddie in the weight department. Seems like we see what happens when left on his own.
Grave Digger posted:I still have reservations about Alabama players. It's been a mixed bag of success. They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it.
This may be true, but Thompson and staff seem to have done a good job vetting ALA players.
YATittle posted:They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it.
He was tough on eddie in the weight department. Seems like we see what happens when left on his own.
If true, Packers should have never left him "on his own", being that he is an employee, it would be reasonable to assume that they could have more control of him than a college would.
Yeah Dix has seemingly worked out, Lacy has worked out from a production standpoint.
That's why I have reservations about guys like OJ Howard, Tim Williams, etc. They're almost too good to be true. I Trust that if TT pulls the trigger on a Bama player that it's because he believes it's a guy who can handle life outside the Saban-verse.
If Thompson brings Lacy back I wonder how he'll handle the competition of Montgomery, who appears to understand the need for proper nutrition and working out for the physical demands of the NFL, and RB specifically.
FLPACKER posted:If true, Packers should have never left him "on his own", being that he is an employee, it would be reasonable to assume that they could have more control of him than a college would.
Disagree. They have the rigid structure of college (Class schedule, workouts, practice, diet, etc.) to keep them in line. College players are required to meet these expectations to keep their scholarship and continue their path to the NFL. Once they have millions and are in the NFL, not everything is required. You're given an incentive to attend workouts (workout bonuses), follow meal plans, etc. Ultimately these guys are adults though and do their own thing when they aren't in the building. Their contract, and probably the players union, doesn't allow for teams to do anything but leave them on their own. Once these guys aren't at a required event, they're on their own to take care of their own bodies.