D. King is also a pretty darn good punt and kickoff returner.
I don't see him being athletic enough to be a #1 corner. Talk coming out of Senior Bowl that he would be better suited for safety.
Fedya posted:I have no idea how Saban keeps finding these ILBs year after year.
Somehow I have a feeling illegal payments are involved.
Oh no I am sure he lures them there based upon Alabama academic stature that rivals Harvard and Yale. And of course Tuscaloosa being so exotic and beautiful.
At the risk of sounding like Al Davis, I think the secondary has more than its share of 4.50+ 40-yd dash types.
packmon posted:Ted likes his corners tall, versatile with great ball skills. Not sure if Desmond King
But Desmond King is not tall. 5-10 1/8. Probably too short for Ted's liking, even though Ted loves his Hawkeyes.
King had a disappointing season this year and while he plays bigger than his size I would stay away from him.
The two O$U corners (Lattimore and Conley) might be worth a look and the Bucks have a long history of producing decent NFL DBs. Same thing with the LSU corners.
The one intriguing guy to me is Jackson out of U$C. Not the biggest dude either at 5'11" but he's quick and makes a lot of plays on the ball. He could also make a big time impact as a return guy.
Will TT move up, or trade up, in the 1st round to get someone? For me, the number one priority is to protect Aaron Rodgers. OG may be in play if they don't resign TJ Lang. Lang's current back up is Don Barclay, with Spriggs sometimes filling in there. Do we want to do that to ARod? Lane Taylor's current back up is also Barclay.
5'-11" is generous. He seems very slight. But the speed is intriguing. He makes plays on the ball because his make up speed puts him in position. Good body control to contest balls and make the catch. You'd hope he has a little more growing to do physically.
Herschel posted:I was being half facetious, but I think finding a good "pure" corner or two is important. Guys who can just line up anywhere are extremely rare and while havings jacks-of-all-trades would be nice, masters-of-none get exploited in the league.
It also doesn't help that they have mis-matched corners with guys suited for zone and others for man and little in between.
Its been my take for some time that our players have not been suited to the scheme. The reason for the scheme was unclear to me but my guess is that injuries and talent (or lack thereof) was the reason.
In the thread on fixing the defense I really felt that a really good corner would do wonders for this defense. Shields used to be the man who allowed R&R and the hosts of UDFA's to play second and third fiddle's. That did not mean that having one made us a top defense. But it helped.
I expect improvement from our current backups at CB yet that will not be enough to cover the loss of Shields. We draft not only at the bottom of the first round but in every round. So, we need an experienced CB from FA. I don't know who but somebody needs to take on that role. Once we traded a 2nd rounder for Al Harris and it was well worth it.
If we simply replace DC that will not be enough and neither will a draft pick be enough to help in the short term. Besides draft picks themselves are a crap shoot.
mrtundra posted:Will TT move up, or trade up, in the 1st round to get someone? For me, the number one priority is to protect Aaron Rodgers. OG may be in play if they don't resign TJ Lang. Lang's current back up is Don Barclay, with Spriggs sometimes filling in there. Do we want to do that to ARod? Lane Taylor's current back up is also Barclay.
Unless we are going to be a power-run first team, guard is a position you can get by with someone decent, but not great. Sure I'd rather have an All-World guard than not, but OT is exponentially more important and I'd rather use a high pick on ILB, CB, TE, or RB than OG. Lane Taylor wasn't great, but how many games did he lose for us? About as close to zero as you can get. How many games did having a lousy set of CBs or ILBs or TEs lose us during the last few years - a lot.
As for Barclay, I agree, but guys better than Barclay are probably on practice squads all over the league. It's puzzling why they keep him - he's the Carl Bradford of the offense.
The Heckler posted:Fedya posted:I have no idea how Saban keeps finding these ILBs year after year.
Somehow I have a feeling illegal payments are involved.
Oh no I am sure he lures them there based upon Alabama academic stature that rivals Harvard and Yale. And of course Tuscaloosa being so exotic and beautiful.
Just like Oklahoma and Nebraska in the 70s and 80s.
Whatever the method Nick utilized. Rolando McClain, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley, Reggie Ragland. This year it's Rueben Foster. Throw in OLB Tim Williams going in round 1. Not sure if it's Nick seeing the talent or just knowing how to coach the position. OLB Ryan Anderson might end up being the best pro out of all three but he's not going until round 2.
Adoree Jackson might have the most upside of any player in the draft. He has the athletic upside to be a lock down #1 CB, if he's there at 29 then I would be surprised if TT passes.
There will be some good values on CBs after round 1. Cam Sutton (Tennessee) and Dwayne Thomas (LSU) are both really good players who are being undervalued for injuries. Sutton had a broken ankle in 2016, but was the previous two seasons at UT. Really aggressive and instinctive player. Once he's 100% healthy in 2017 I expect him to be better. Thomas was a really consistent performer for LSU, great tackler and tracks the ball well. Either would do well in this scheme IMO and could be had in R2.
Tennessee player I like a lot is RB Alvin Kamara.
The reason for the scheme was unclear to me
We do what we do; Pittsburgh Macho; self-scouting; yada yada yada
ChilliJon posted:Whatever the method Nick utilized. Rolando McClain, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley, Reggie Ragland. This year it's Rueben Foster. Throw in OLB Tim Williams going in round 1. Not sure if it's Nick seeing the talent or just knowing how to coach the position. OLB Ryan Anderson might end up being the best pro out of all three but he's not going until round 2.
Saban gets the best talent at pretty much every position.
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ChilliJon posted:Tennessee player I like a lot is RB Alvin Kamara.
Me too, not sure he would make it to us in R2 though. Really natural runner with elite physical skill. Sadly he was buried on the depth chart at Alabama, transferred, and never really got a chance to be the feature back at TN. Every time he did though he made the most of it.
Pays the best talent?
Grave Digger posted:Adoree Jackson might have the most upside of any player in the draft. He has the athletic upside to be a lock down #1 CB, if he's there at 29 then I would be surprised if TT passes.
There will be some good values on CBs after round 1. Cam Sutton (Tennessee) and Dwayne Thomas (LSU) are both really good players who are being undervalued for injuries. Sutton had a broken ankle in 2016, but was the previous two seasons at UT. Really aggressive and instinctive player. Once he's 100% healthy in 2017 I expect him to be better. Thomas was a really consistent performer for LSU, great tackler and tracks the ball well. Either would do well in this scheme IMO and could be had in R2.
Cam Sutton looked really good in the Senior Bowl yesterday. Very impressive physical corner. He actually played outside, nickel slot and safety. Lots to like.
247 has packers drafting young Watt in the first. A bit high?
Wisconsin-based Packer fans are going to have the world's biggest collective orgasm if TT picks Watt in the first. 
No way Watt is BPA at 29.
Nope.
Fedya posted:Wisconsin-based Packer fans are going to have the world's biggest collective orgasm WTF is he thinking if TT picks Watt in the first.
FTFY
Most players who don't need to declare, don't declare if they haven't received a 1st or 2nd round grade for the draft advisory board. Watt probably received a R2 grade and I doubt he interviews poorly, so unless he completely tanks all the workouts then I don't think it's unrealistic to think a team at the end of R1 could consider him. At this stage I don't think he's a first rounder, but he's a guy I would peg as a riser over the next 4 months.
I'd take him at the end if Rd 1.
PackerPatrick posted:247 has packers drafting young Watt in the first. A bit high?
Probably about right. I'd be happy with he, Tim Wiilliams, Ryan Anderson or Takkarist McKinley there.
I'd put a solid middle of round two grade on Watt, but that's assuming all the medicals are OK. His knees could be a cause for concern.
Some talk about young Watt being a late bloomer like Clay and he is moving up the boards. I wonder how much of that is just because of his name?
I am a BPA kind of guy myself and prefer to see how things play out with medicals and testing etc.
I hope whoever we pick has some speed and smarts.
Yeah I'm sure his name is playing a part of it, just as it did for Clay. People know JJ's background, what he brings to the table on the mental side. It's fair to assume that attitude and intelligence isn't limited to just JJ, his brothers have that as well. Derek wasn't overrated though based only on his name, he went in r6. TJ has real skill, as PJ said though he has to show that he's clean medically.
So a name I have seen associated with the Packers is Peppers from Michigan. Me personally I think he is kind of over rated and I question if he really is that great of a cover guy. Great athlete but I wonder if the Packers would take him? Which of course assumes he slides down draft boards and lands in our spot. (which I don't think he will)
Peppers is one guy that there seems to be a lack of consensus on. Some analysts love him, while others think he is hype. We will probably never know what TT thinks of him...of course unless we draft him.
Thinking outside of the box here.
It seems like most of our first round picks have been on defense for the last 10 years. The results were mixed. Drafting at the bottom of the rounds is tough. Moving up is expensive. I wonder if combining a player with a bottom of a round pick could help us move up to get an impact player at the top of a round?
What position does Peppers actually play and how will he adapt to the NFL?
If I had to guess? That Charles Woodson Roving Nickel Back/Safety/LB hybrid position. He's really quick with great instincts, but I think he tackles too poorly to be considered a full-time SS (I see him launch/hit more than tackle through) and he's not proven he has the ball hawking skills to be a full-time FS. He doesn't, and may not ever, have the bulk to be a full-time LB. Basically he's Micah Hyde except much more athletic and less racist.
I think Peppers has garnered some of the comparisons with Woodson based on his return ability. However, I just do not see the "play-making" instincts while playing defense. He had only 1 INT. & 10 passes defended in his Michigan career.
I don't think he compares to Woodson at all. Woodson was a pure CB/WR who could play other positions. Peppers has never had a true position, he's just a guy who can do a little bit of everything.
If Peppers is taken in the first round, I think someone is going to be disappointed
So he's a football player? Thompson will trade up to get him and the Wizard will optimize his skills.
