Nothing at all like the Honey Badger
chickenboy posted:While I am anything but a draft guru, this discussion about Peppers reminds me of the Honey Badger. He turned out OK. Sometimes a guy can just play.
IDK, Honey Badger had 17 passes defended in his senior year alone!
chickenboy posted:While I am anything but a draft guru, this discussion about Peppers reminds me of the Honey Badger. He turned out OK. Sometimes a guy can just play.
We haven't seen him play that kind of FS role. Pro comparison wise I see maybe a little taller version of TJ Ward, maybe a Danieal Manning type player.
To me, he never played a position in college.
To clarify, I wasn't referring to the position he plays, only to the comments that make it appear that he could fall. HB fell to the third round and has performed as first round talent.
While I am anything but a draft guru,
That's putting it mildly.
Tyrann went in the third round because he couldn't stay off the weed. I mean, is there a bigger red flag than Les Miles throwing you off his team? Tyrann entered drug rehab. And then was arrested a few months later for possession. Hard to believe he even went in round three
In closing. They have nothing in common. Not in play style, lifestyle, clothing style, or hair style.
Makes me wonder if cb is trying to make a bad comparison, or if this all just comes naturally to him.
Fedya posted:it'll probably be McKinley or Vanderdosenvontwinkletoes from UCLA or Cooper Kupp at WR.
You don't want another white wideout? Jordy is getting up there in years, and the Janis! ship has sailed, I think.
Hey another Hillary voter, welcome
What Patty and I think about the Badgers.
Ram seems to be a first round favorite for everyone, but with his surgery and not being able to do anything football related for months, he could be an early second round pick.
Watt is a second rounder IMHBAAO.
Beigel in the 4th round. Steal for someone.
CC in the 5th round. If he could be healthy, not a bad back to get here. I don't see him staying healthy.
Shelton is a wildcard. Might be a 5th, might be an UDFA.
Bart Houston will sign with the Packers and be the player everyone has wanted for a long, long time. His 10 year career with the Pack will be littered with touchdowns and amazing plays. He will go down as one of the best Tight Ends Ted has ever found.
Hey, read that there is a DB projected to be end of first round by the name of Malik Hooker. That would continue our innuendo trend with a Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Fackwell, and then Hooker.
Sounds sexy!
But seriously, who I actually prefer is Marlon Humphrey ,Alabama. Good size and speed. Probably is best suited to perimeter. That lets R&R stay as #2 and #3.
I would prefer a good proven high value vet FA but that's not going to happen.
PackFoo posted:Christian McCaffrey declares for the draft. Not sure where you line him up, but the dude is a playmaker...and the fans need another great white hope to believe in now that Abby is gone.
A columnist on Bleacher Report says we get McCaffrey in the 1st round. I've also seen others say we get OT Forrest Lamp of Western Kentucky, S Jabril Peppers of Michigan, CB Gareon Conley of Ohio State, in the 1st round. The writer who said we get Conley also said we get TE Evan Engram of Ole Miss in the 2nd. Another TE one guy picked for us in the 2nd is Jordan Leggett of Clemson. Of all these early predictions the one I don't like is Peppers. I can live with the rest although I seriously doubt TT will pick a RB in the 1st. Mock drafts are fun to read but rarely have they correctly guessed GBs picks. After everyone had us picking an ILB, like Reggie Ragland, TT picks Randall and then Rollins.
I still have reservations about Alabama players. It's been a mixed bag of success. They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it. That lines up with what we've seen from guys like Lacy. I don't doubt the physical skill, but their attitude/off-field should be treated as unknowns because of how Saban conducts his program.
If Jabrill Peppers was 10-15 lbs heavier at UMich then I would take him in a heartbeat. He has the instincts and aggression of a LB, he just doesn't have the size/strength to hold up. I always want to compare him to Shaq Thompson because of that unique versatility, but Thompson was 225 I believe at UW. Not too big of a change for him to go from 225 to 235 to play LB in the NFL. Peppers would have to go from 205 to 235, much different.
They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it.
He was tough on eddie in the weight department. Seems like we see what happens when left on his own.
Grave Digger posted:I still have reservations about Alabama players. It's been a mixed bag of success. They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it.
This may be true, but Thompson and staff seem to have done a good job vetting ALA players.
YATittle posted:They say Saban provides those guys so much structure that they don't know how to function when they leave it.
He was tough on eddie in the weight department. Seems like we see what happens when left on his own.
If true, Packers should have never left him "on his own", being that he is an employee, it would be reasonable to assume that they could have more control of him than a college would.
Yeah Dix has seemingly worked out, Lacy has worked out from a production standpoint.
That's why I have reservations about guys like OJ Howard, Tim Williams, etc. They're almost too good to be true. I Trust that if TT pulls the trigger on a Bama player that it's because he believes it's a guy who can handle life outside the Saban-verse.
If Thompson brings Lacy back I wonder how he'll handle the competition of Montgomery, who appears to understand the need for proper nutrition and working out for the physical demands of the NFL, and RB specifically.
FLPACKER posted:If true, Packers should have never left him "on his own", being that he is an employee, it would be reasonable to assume that they could have more control of him than a college would.
Disagree. They have the rigid structure of college (Class schedule, workouts, practice, diet, etc.) to keep them in line. College players are required to meet these expectations to keep their scholarship and continue their path to the NFL. Once they have millions and are in the NFL, not everything is required. You're given an incentive to attend workouts (workout bonuses), follow meal plans, etc. Ultimately these guys are adults though and do their own thing when they aren't in the building. Their contract, and probably the players union, doesn't allow for teams to do anything but leave them on their own. Once these guys aren't at a required event, they're on their own to take care of their own bodies.
CJ Mosley, Dant'a Hightower, Ha Ha, Julio Jones, Amari Cooper. Landon Collins. Derrick Henry. Seem to be doing ok.
I don't see it as a Saban thing. Kids respond well or don't respond well to the NFL and responsibility every year. Some can handle it. Some can't. It's not like Nick has a glaring history of flameouts at the next level.
Grave Digger posted:FLPACKER posted:If true, Packers should have never left him "on his own", being that he is an employee, it would be reasonable to assume that they could have more control of him than a college would.
Disagree. They have the rigid structure of college (Class schedule, workouts, practice, diet, etc.) to keep them in line. College players are required to meet these expectations to keep their scholarship and continue their path to the NFL. Once they have millions and are in the NFL, not everything is required. You're given an incentive to attend workouts (workout bonuses), follow meal plans, etc. Ultimately these guys are adults though and do their own thing when they aren't in the building. Their contract, and probably the players union, doesn't allow for teams to do anything but leave them on their own. Once these guys aren't at a required event, they're on their own to take care of their own bodies.
Yes & even with all that structure Lacy gained 30 pounds while at Bama. You are correct though. Packers are in a tough spot with Lacy. Short of hiring someone to live with him & monitor what he eats, the only other things they can do are deny him $ incentives, and bench him......of course that is hard to do when even at 30-40 pounds overweight, he is still productive.
Context? "Lacy gained 30 pounds while at Bama"
Also, it was more like 20 lbs... go figure, a kid going from a HS program to a major college program beefed up!
packerboi posted:Was listening to Leroy Butler on his take on the DB's the Packers have. He hopes the Packers are done with the converted basketball players and prospects who haven't played CB more then a year. He believes GB needs to find a pure CB and not a kid they are going to try to convert from another sport or even from safety.
Its really hard to find and draft those guys ! Its great in theory, just difficult to put into practice from the bottom of the draft. Here's a link to all the top, pure CBs that weren't basketball players - you can see the list is littered with top picks that didn't work out despite following Leroy's sage advice.
And when the poop hits the fan, all of the cross- training comes into play. Safeties who can cover and CBs who can tackle and Tackles who can play guard. Drives some fans nuts, but that's the modern NFL. If you don't get a shot at the plug and play players, then you have to find a gem and coach them up.
Would it be impolite to remind Leroy that the starting CB ACE in the 2010 Super Bowl was Sam Shields ..... a converted WR ?
Lacy may have gained 20 to 30 from high school, but it wasn't a fat 20 or 30. He gained muscle...
He has to want to get back into shape. From a pure production standpoint he's probably worth 5 to 6 million per year with 40% of it guaranteed, but when you factor in all the baggage he will get a short term deal worth 4 to 5 million per year with 30% of it guaranteed. You're talking probably a 2 million swing in guaranteed money with a hit in average salary. That's an expensive junk food habit!
Sad part is that he appeared to drop weight when working out (and living?) with Horton during the past off-season, however once he got back on his own he appeared to put the weight right back on, and continues to put it on as the season progresses. I wonder what kind of professional services the Packers have offered along the lines of addiction.
Super Bowl isn't for another 5 days and this already feels like a long painful off season. Not good.
mrtundra posted:PackFoo posted:Christian McCaffrey declares for the draft. Not sure where you line him up, but the dude is a playmaker...and the fans need another great white hope to believe in now that Abby is gone.
A columnist on Bleacher Report says we get McCaffrey in the 1st round. I've also seen others say we get OT Forrest Lamp of Western Kentucky, S Jabril Peppers of Michigan, CB Gareon Conley of Ohio State, in the 1st round. The writer who said we get Conley also said we get TE Evan Engram of Ole Miss in the 2nd. Another TE one guy picked for us in the 2nd is Jordan Leggett of Clemson. Of all these early predictions the one I don't like is Peppers. I can live with the rest although I seriously doubt TT will pick a RB in the 1st. Mock drafts are fun to read but rarely have they correctly guessed GBs picks. After everyone had us picking an ILB, like Reggie Ragland, TT picks Randall and then Rollins.
I really would not want McCaffrey, Peppers or Conley. I don't think McCaffrey will be the type of back in the NFL that the Packers need IMHO and that is someone they can count on to carry the load. I would think of McCaffrey as maybe a hybrid slot receiver or a guy out of the backfield occasionally. But that being said it would not surprise me one bit to see TT take him.
Am I the only one who isn't sold on Peppers? He seems like maybe safety is his natural position since he is really too small to play much LB in the NFL and seems to be ok at coverage but from what I saw I don't see a game changer at CB.
As for Conley, I live close to Columbus and get stuck watching O$U games and I think he is ok but not that great. I see a guy who can be beaten and has been this season.
ChilliJon posted:Super Bowl isn't for another 5 days and this already feels like a long painful off season. Not good.
The Super Bowl should be the last instance of salt in the wound of the failed 2016 Packers season.
The consensus seems to be that Peppers is not a good fit for the NFL or GB.
So he's definitely going to be the pick in R1.
Too bad he was not on staff when the Gunslinger was in town
Hungry5 posted:ChilliJon posted:Super Bowl isn't for another 5 days and this already feels like a long painful off season. Not good.
The Super Bowl should be the last instance of salt in the wound of the failed 2016 Packers season.
Failed? Not in my book.
FinnLander posted:Failed? Not in my book.
mine either, that was a blast of a season.
I picked them to lose the last 9 games. I was one a eight. That 8 game streak was a blast.
The season was a blast, but they failed to reach their goal.
Every year only one of 32 teams reaches its goal. 
I'm really intrigued by Washington Safety Budda Baker. He and Malik Hooker are the first players I've seen in the last 5 or 6 years that really remind me of Nick Collins, which is what I believe the defense is lacking most. Hooker obviously isn't an option, he's a top 10 pick, but Baker could easily be had at the end of round 1. Right now he's grading out as a round 2/round 3 player, but I think he's going to rise throughout this process. To me he's everything you want in a FS...fast/quick, CB level coverage skill, reads the QB well, tracks the ball well, very aggressive, good effort in run support, etc.
The biggest knock on Baker is his size being 5'10" and about 195 lbs., which is small for a Safety, but to me that is something that can be remedied. Nick Collins played his whole career at 5'11"/205 lbs., I don't see a reason why Baker couldn't add some muscle to get to that size.
He's a guy worth keeping an eye on IMO.