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King had a disappointing season this year and while he plays bigger than his size I would stay away from him. 

The two O$U corners (Lattimore and Conley) might be worth a look and the Bucks have a long history of producing decent NFL DBs.  Same thing with the LSU corners. 

The one intriguing guy to me is Jackson out of U$C.  Not the biggest dude either at 5'11" but he's quick and makes a lot of plays on the ball.  He could also make a big time impact as a return guy. 

Herschel posted:

I was being half facetious, but I think finding a good "pure" corner or two is important. Guys who can just line up anywhere are extremely rare and while havings jacks-of-all-trades would be nice, masters-of-none get exploited in the league. 

It also doesn't help that they have mis-matched corners with guys suited for zone and others for man and little in between. 

Its been my take for some time that our players have not been suited to the scheme. The reason for the scheme was unclear to me but my guess is that injuries and talent (or lack thereof) was the reason.

In the thread on fixing the defense I really felt that a really good corner would do wonders for this defense. Shields used to be the man who allowed R&R and the hosts of UDFA's to play second and third fiddle's. That did not mean that having one made us a top defense. But it helped.

I expect improvement from our current backups at CB yet that will not be enough to cover the loss of Shields. We draft not only at the bottom of the first round but in every round. So, we need an experienced CB from FA. I don't know who but somebody needs to take on that role. Once we traded a 2nd rounder for Al Harris and it was well worth it.

If we simply replace DC that will not be enough and neither will a draft pick  be enough to help in the short term. Besides draft picks themselves are a crap shoot.

mrtundra posted:

Will TT move up, or trade up, in the 1st round to get someone? For me, the number one priority is to protect Aaron Rodgers. OG may be in play if they don't resign TJ Lang. Lang's current back up is Don Barclay, with Spriggs sometimes filling in there. Do we want to do that to ARod? Lane Taylor's current back up is also Barclay. 

Unless we are going to be a power-run first team, guard is a position you can get by with someone decent, but not great. Sure I'd rather have an All-World guard than not, but OT is exponentially more important and I'd rather use a high pick on ILB, CB, TE, or RB than OG. Lane Taylor wasn't great, but how many games did he lose for us? About as close to zero as you can get. How many games did having a lousy set of CBs or ILBs or TEs lose us during the last few years - a lot. 

As for Barclay, I agree, but guys better than Barclay are probably on practice squads all over the league. It's puzzling why they keep him - he's the Carl Bradford of the offense. 

Whatever the method Nick utilized. Rolando McClain, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley, Reggie Ragland. This year it's Rueben Foster. Throw in OLB Tim Williams going in round 1. Not sure if it's Nick seeing the talent or just knowing how to coach the position. OLB Ryan Anderson might end up being the best pro out of all three but he's not going until round 2. 

Adoree Jackson might have the most upside of any player in the draft. He has the athletic upside to be a lock down #1 CB, if he's there at 29 then I would be surprised if TT passes.

There will be some good values on CBs after round 1. Cam Sutton (Tennessee) and Dwayne Thomas (LSU) are both really good players who are being undervalued for injuries. Sutton had a broken ankle in 2016, but was the previous two seasons at UT. Really aggressive and instinctive player. Once he's 100% healthy in 2017 I expect him to be better. Thomas was a really consistent performer for LSU, great tackler and tracks the ball well. Either would do well in this scheme IMO and could be had in R2.

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ChilliJon posted:

Whatever the method Nick utilized. Rolando McClain, Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw, Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley, Reggie Ragland. This year it's Rueben Foster. Throw in OLB Tim Williams going in round 1. Not sure if it's Nick seeing the talent or just knowing how to coach the position. OLB Ryan Anderson might end up being the best pro out of all three but he's not going until round 2. 

Saban gets the best talent at pretty much every position.

https://crossoverreport.com/20...-nice-cars-nowadays/

 

Grave Digger posted:

Adoree Jackson might have the most upside of any player in the draft. He has the athletic upside to be a lock down #1 CB, if he's there at 29 then I would be surprised if TT passes.

There will be some good values on CBs after round 1. Cam Sutton (Tennessee) and Dwayne Thomas (LSU) are both really good players who are being undervalued for injuries. Sutton had a broken ankle in 2016, but was the previous two seasons at UT. Really aggressive and instinctive player. Once he's 100% healthy in 2017 I expect him to be better. Thomas was a really consistent performer for LSU, great tackler and tracks the ball well. Either would do well in this scheme IMO and could be had in R2.

Cam Sutton looked really good in the Senior Bowl yesterday. Very impressive physical corner. He actually played outside, nickel slot and safety. Lots to like. 

Most players who don't need to declare, don't declare if they haven't received a 1st or 2nd round grade for the draft advisory board. Watt probably received a R2 grade and I doubt he interviews poorly, so unless he completely tanks all the workouts then I don't think it's unrealistic to think a team at the end of R1 could consider him. At this stage I don't think he's a first rounder, but he's a guy I would peg as a riser over the next 4 months.

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Yeah I'm sure his name is playing a part of it, just as it did for Clay. People know JJ's background, what he brings to the table on the mental side. It's fair to assume that attitude and intelligence isn't limited to just JJ, his brothers have that as well. Derek wasn't overrated though based only on his name, he went in r6. TJ has real skill, as PJ said though he has to show that he's clean medically. 

If I had to guess? That Charles Woodson Roving Nickel Back/Safety/LB hybrid position. He's really quick with great instincts, but I think he tackles too poorly to be considered a full-time SS (I see him launch/hit more than tackle through) and he's not proven he has the ball hawking skills to be a full-time FS. He doesn't, and may not ever, have the bulk to be a full-time LB. Basically he's Micah Hyde except much more athletic and less racist. 

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