Timmy! posted:The Najeh Davenport experience.....OK, maybe not.
Or just go with British room names.
Fabian Moreau tears pectoral while lifting at pro day workout. Surgery and out for 4-6 months.
Might be the first time Fabian lifted weights. That guy is soft. Does not like contact. Does not like to tackle.
I don't want anything to do with him.
That sucks. Second high-round cb to get hurt post-combine thins the numbers.
Thins the top of the draft, but somebody is going to get a top 10 pick on day two with Sidney Jones.
Don't know much about the guy except for his R1 grade and 4.35 speed. If you can grab him in the 4th and have him on the field by October, not sure I'd argue.
True, but high picks are not guys teams can often afford to medical redshirt. Contending teams need contributors from those spots and bad team's staffs often don't have the time to wait.
TT's off-season moves, to me, indicate how he thinks of this draft. He added a DT and two TEs, gave big money to his own pass rusher and brought in a veteran CB backup. He didn't replace his elite starting CB or his elite starting Guard. He didn't replace his 1,000 yard rusher at RB either.
To me that says he doesn't think he will find options in the draft at TE or DT, but thinks there's a good chance he finds another starting CB. He probably has his eye on a couple RBs and a couple OG/C he thinks are plug-and-play. I'm guessing he doesn't think he will have a shot at a starting pass rusher and will probably opt for another developmental pass rusher like Fackrell.
To me injuries are part of the game and who knows what injury might have happened even if the player was drafted healthy. Many times my heart sunk when a promising player gets injured and is out for some time. I wish there were a formula for the risk/reward for picking up very good yet injured players.
Say that it is a "x" amount of a chance. And say that the impact value of that player is "y " over time and then factor in the cost "c " to acquire that player. Put it down on paper and give each one a weighted number and there you have it!
I wish
ROUND 1
Pick 29
Forrest Lamp, OL, Western Kentucky
6’4”/310 lbs.
*Immediate starter at either Guard position with some flexibility to play Tackle.
ROUND 2
Pick 61
John Johnson, DB, Boston College
6’/208 lbs.
*College Safety that would bump over to CB in the NFL and be an immediate 4 down contributor.
ROUND 3
Pick 93
Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson
6’/215 lbs.
*Versatile, high energy power runner with all the skills to thrive in this offense.
ROUND 4
Pick 134
Deatrich Wise Jr., DL, Arkansas
6’5”/275 lbs.
*Similar to Dean Lowry, tall/long 5-tech who can provide some pass rush on 3rd downs.
ROUND 5
Pick 172
Aviante Collins, OL, TCU
6’4”/295 lbs.
*Developmental OL with high upside and flexibility to help anywhere on the OL.
Pick 182 (Compensatory)
Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
6’/212 lbs.
*Talented runner who needs to stay healthy, similar to James Starks in terms of running style.
ROUND 6
Pick 212
Joey Ivie, DL, Florida
6’3”/300 lbs.
*Super high effort grinder who can play 3-tech or kick out to 5-tech.
ROUND 7
Pick 247
Johnny Caspers, OL, Stanford
6’4”/292 lbs.
*Another high effort player who could develop into good depth.
It seems odd to me that college safeties project to be corners in the NFL. That is like a college 2nd basemen projecting to be a shortstop.
One DB with likes of that stiff Goodson and unknow Mankiton? 3 OL, 2 RB and not one edge rusher? I hope your draft is 100% wrong.
In Green Bay they do...
And that would be the reason we have some slow-a$$ CB.
If Goodson ever does something worthwhile for the GBP you can send the crow pie to me. I would have already waived him injured unless there is some waiver discount to be had by waiting.
But I'm not an actual human being dealing with another injured human being as a team GM, either. Heal him up, ship him out, whatever's best for Demetri. But don't try to tell me there is gonna be a ROI there.
Henry posted:One DB with likes of that stiff Goodson and unknow Mankiton? 3 OL, 2 RB and not one edge rusher? I hope your draft is 100% wrong.
I just think they will stand pat with what they have. Just like last year, rather than panic and draft another receiver high (after Adams struggled and Nelsons injury), I think they will see what a defense with a healthy Randall and Rollins plus a high rookie pick, House and Gunter looks like. That's 5 deep, theoretically Goodson/Dorleant shouldn't see the field even if there is an injury. It's all about value though, this draft is heavy with quality players in rounds 1 and 2, but there just aren't impact players of even Fackrell's quality passed those rounds. A lot of developmental guys.
I don't think it's weird that an athletic college Safety/CB projects to corner if he has cover corner skill? He tested better than many CBs at the combine and unlike many of the CBs in the draft he can actually tackle. Guys like Randall and John johnson probably should have been playing CB the whole time in college, the team needed them at Safety though.
Can't see a scenario where Thompson takes 3 offensive linemen unless there is a plane crash between now and the draft. They could keep 9 offensive linemen, but lately the number has been 8. Bakhtiari, Bulaga, Linsley, Taylor, Spriggs are all locks to make the 53. As much as Barclay is disliked, it will be very hard for any day three rookie to push him off the 53. That's 6. I'm guessing Thompson would be perfectly content to have one spot be up for grabs between Murphy and Patrick. That would only leave one spot open. They could pick two offensive linemen to guard against injury, although the combination of Murphy, Patrick and undrafted rookies is already some insurance. Picking three offensive linemen is putting the team in a situation where they have to expose at least one or maybe two on waivers at the end of the pre-season in order to keep them in the organization. They just don't have that luxury with significant needs at CB, OLB, ILB, RB, RG and depth needs at S. Thompson would probably also like to have an opportunity to pick a WR now that Montgomery is out of that mix and it's not crazy to think that Cobb could be a cap casualty next off-season.
El-Stalker-Bong posted:It seems odd to me that college safeties project to be corners in the NFL. That is like a college 2nd basemen projecting to be a shortstop.
I was a high school 2nd baseman who projected to a college history major.
I feel like you're fixating too much on the 3rd OL. 7th rounders are generally just some UDFA they really want, I don't think there's much forcing them to keep a 7th round player on the final roster and there's no player they're taking because they think he could contribute right away. Really with this draft there's no player beyond round 3 that is likely to step in and contribute right away anyway, it's a pretty top heavy draft.
With uncertainty at OL, with Lindsley and Taylor both in contract years you bet your butt he's taking at least 2 OL. He has no one behind those two and he's not going to go in to next season without a viable option at least 1 of those spots.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:One DB with likes of that stiff Goodson and unknow Mankiton? 3 OL, 2 RB and not one edge rusher? I hope your draft is 100% wrong.
I just think they will stand pat with what they have. Just like last year, rather than panic and draft another receiver high (after Adams struggled and Nelsons injury), I think they will see what a defense with a healthy Randall and Rollins plus a high rookie pick, House and Gunter looks like. That's 5 deep, theoretically Goodson/Dorleant shouldn't see the field even if there is an injury. It's all about value though, this draft is heavy with quality players in rounds 1 and 2, but there just aren't impact players of even Fackrell's quality passed those rounds. A lot of developmental guys.
I don't think it's weird that an athletic college Safety/CB projects to corner if he has cover corner skill? He tested better than many CBs at the combine and unlike many of the CBs in the draft he can actually tackle. Guys like Randall and John johnson probably should have been playing CB the whole time in college, the team needed them at Safety though.
House and Gunter are the same player. I'd say House is better but considering his last few years I'm not sure if that's entirely true anymore. Rollins is still raw. I have hope for him but still raw. Goodson, destitute man's Rollins. I mean living in the gutter and going chickenhead for money man's Rollins. He ****ing sucks. You're basically asking Randall and a rookie to fill the very large hole left by Shields. I also believe in Randalll and think he'll be a good player but quite honestly he isn't going to replace Shields. Shields was solid, real solid.
So if you're only going to draft one CB don't draft a ****ing BB player turned football player and don't draft a S to play CB regardless of his potential skill set. You don't draft projects to replace Sam Shields. You draft a straight up, high draft pick who actually played CB in college.
When Shields was developing he had the benefit of a pretty solid starting CB corp. That isn't the case now. No projects.
I would think there will be better DBs than Johnson there at pick 61.
I don't consider this specific player a project, he played Safety, Nickel back, and on the outside. He played all of them pretty well also, so it's not like he's learning a new position. He looks like a day 1 starter just like Randall was. Shields was a CB for 1 season in college and a UDFA, didn't seem to matter for him playing early. If we can get an ascending talent in round 2 or round 3 then we can take the best player available in round 1.
Yes he's played all the DB positions, but none well enough for the ACC coaches to vote him First or Second team all conference. I tend to put a lot of stock in opposing coaches opinions since they watch endless hours of tape in preparation for playing vs. these players. I just don't see this kid as a second round player.
Overall Johnson had good combine results but he ran a 4.61 40 and that isn't a good number if projecting him to play cornerback. Not to mention that Thompson seems to be leaning more and more towards speed after those Cardinal games two years ago. Take a look at my post of 2016 rookie offensive skill guys/defensive back 40 times on this page:
https://packers.timesfour.com/t...2#523303475144670012
And from what we've seen this off-season, I'm not sure that approach will change any the rest of this off-season:
I'm still on the pass rush, pass rush, pass rush bandwagon.
TT is utterly reticent to give up on young, high-round draft picks so it's most likely he's counting on Rollins and Randall to have major roles, but the pass rush rotation is extremely thin. Perry and Matthews, not exactly the definition of ironmen, also take snaps off even when healthy-ish. Is anyone really thinking Fackrell and BlackJanis are good enough to be able to field three+ situational pass rushers and/or be able to move Matthews around to wherever?
Yep, fully in the pass rusher camp. I'd rather see TT draft two rushers than two RBs.
I'm not at all convinced that Fackrell is anything more than an average player. But what have we seen out of Randall, Rollins, House and Gunter to makes us think any of those players are better than Fackrell? At least Fackrell has two players ahead of him, the cornerback situation is probably as ugly as any team in the league. Take it for what it is worth, but Pro Football Focus gave Fackrell a higher grade (by a fairly good margin) than Randall, Rollins, House or Gunter last season.
Thompson definitely could go 2 OLBs. They probably keep 6 OLBs and right now they only have 4 that are locks to make the roster (Matthews, Perry, Fackrell, Elliott). Reggie Gilbert is a sleeper, read some real positive reviews of him during last year's pre-season. I wouldn't count him out, but I can't count him in either.
Get pressure on the opposing QB?!?!?
Naawwwwww.......C'mon now
Jabrill Peppers skips the agility drills at Indianapolis and now skipped them again at Michigan's Pro Day. Talented athlete but I just don't get the hype on him. Nothing wrong with a 4.46 40-time and a 35 1/2" vertical from a 213 pound player, but those numbers are hardly jaw-dropping. Very well could be one of those guys who looks like a super-athlete against college competition and then when he gets to the pros just looks rather ordinary (Reggie Bush anyone?). Considering all the questions regarding where he will play in the NFL, he should have done the agility drills to "prove it."
Chris Wormley posted some good numbers. Looks like a solid second rounder.
Sounds like sour grapes since Jabrill didn't subscribe to your "how to be a top NFL pick" newsletter.
jokes on him though, 90% of it is just "have an awsum 40 time"
Three cone. It's all about the three cone.
Well, if Al Davis was still running the Raiders...........................
Carolina - Kentucky is just incredible. I mean ****ing incredible. This should have been a final 4 game. My God this is something.
The other question becomes what happens when an unexpected guy falls, ala Rodgers. Say depth at RB causes weirdness and Fournette is sitting there at #29, as is Conley, Watt, McKinley and Awuzie, all of whom carry a grade deserving of that spot. Maybe TT is looking at Hill/Henderson/Conner in the third as better value than the corners and edge guys and thinks the drop off to Phillips and Bowser (or whomever) is less than that of the corners.
Do you still take Fournette, losing a greater degree of talent at two need positions even though he's better but not as much better than the later prospects (provided you grade him higher, but not as a franchise talent) especially at a position with the shortest shelf life?
...or....God Forbid....McCaffrey is still sitting there at #29 ????? oh no! What will TT do now??? 
If Fournette is there at 29, he probably broke his leg the day before the draft.
The question is why did Fournette fall? Rodgers fell because of Tedford Curse fears and stupidity, if a guy like Fournette fell you would assume it's injury related (long term damage potential) or character related (pending legal issues). Do you want to take on a RB who may be done in a couple years or may be suspended for 8-16 games? Probably not. If he falls for seemingly no reason then it's a no brainer...you have 2 starters at OLB and 0 starters at RB and he's a Bo Jackson level talent.
