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Not a fan of taking Bowser in round one.  Would be a classic case of taking a guy that is 80% athlete and 20% football player.  He'll be a force if he hits his upside but there are just too many holes in his game.  He's timid and bad against the run.  More times than not, if an offensive lineman gets his hands on him it's play over.  He'd be well worth rolling the dice on at #61, but IMO he just isn't enough of a player at this point to take at #29.  But I could see Thompson drafting him.  Thompson values athletes with pass-rush upside over everything else when taking DL/OLB and Bowser definitely fits the bill.  Across the board numbers at Indianapolis were very similar to Watt.

I like the rest of that draft though.  As fans I wonder if we are getting too hung up on OLB as the sole source of pass-rush and wonder if the team might be better off with a Chris Wormley type DL-man pick early on.  Wormley will never be a 12 sack player, but he has the upside to be a 6 or 7 sack guy from the five-technique and could be a guy that piles up the pressures and frees up the blitzers a little more often.  He's a solid player and would be excellent value at #61.  Griffin is a big project and another "athlete" over "football player," but in this case the team would be using pick #93 on him and he's worth the gamble in this area of the draft.  Levin in round five is an interesting player.  Didn't know much about him prior to February but he really lit it up at the combine.  Evaluations I read seem to indicate he lacks core strength and figures to get pushed around a lot at the next level.  Wouldn't mind see the Packers use that late of a pick on him.

Herschel posted:
PackerPatrick posted:

You guys have posted some pretty good mocks. I found one link to another mock that I like. Some unknowns to me on it but I still like it.

http://packerswire.usatoday.co...hompsons-tendencies/

Bowser in the first? Great measurables but he's really raw, kind of reminds me of a Bruce Irvin, though Irvin also did go high.  

I also doubt Hill lasts until the fifth round. 

What I liked about this mock was that the guys looked like that had potential and sort of fit TT's MO. I read that Hill was moving up some boards. But I don't know Mocks that well.

Wormley could be in consideration at 29 after his Pro Day workout. 4.84 40 at 300 lbs. with a 1.62 10 yd split, that's outstanding. Clay Matthews had 1.58 10 yd split for reference. He and Jon Allen are probably 1a and 1b in terms of the best interior pass rushers in the draft and best overall interior players. You're correct in saying he won't be a 10+ sack per year guy, but neither was Justin Smith. I think best case scenario with Wormley you're getting a Justin Smith-type grinder who can slide all over the line and be a 4-down player and produce...worst case scenario, based on what's been said of his character, he's probably a Dean Lowry/CJ Wilson type (good guys and good depth, but they aren't guys you want starting). I wouldn't upset if he's the pick at 29. 

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I don't agree with the 10 sack rule at all. The Justin Smith comparison is a good one. Justin was round 1. 4th overall pick. Never recorded double digit sacks once in his career. Probably the most dominant and disruptive defensive lineman in the NFL when he decided to retire. 

If Wormley is a shadow-like representation of Justin Smith i'd be fine with GB taking him as their first player selected. As long as that pick happens early in round 2. 

ChilliJon posted:

If Wormley is the first player selected by GB. It damned well better happen early in the second round with Ted grabbing another pick or two. 



Speaking of early 2nd round and trader Ted. Lots of talk about QBs and Rd 1 worthiness. A consideration for teams like CLE, SFO, JAX, CHI, LAR, and LAC is they might want to jump back into the 1st for the QB, which would give them the 5th year option 1st rounders come with. They probably could grab their QB at the top of the 2nd, but then they lose out on owning that 5th year option.

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ChilliJon posted:

I don't agree with the 10 sack rule at all. The Justin Smith comparison is a good one. Justin was round 1. 4th overall pick. Never recorded double digit sacks once in his career. Probably the most dominant and disruptive defensive lineman in the NFL when he decided to retire. 

If Wormley is a shadow-like representation of Justin Smith i'd be fine with GB taking him as their first player selected. As long as that pick happens early in round 2. 

Granted, but as you said, Smith was just so good in multiple areas he made up for moderate sack numbers. He was also expected to have more sacks than he did and was considered somewhat of a disappointment in Cincy as a primary pass rusher, which is why the let him go to San Fran. 

Grave Digger posted:

What's the difference if he's picked at 29 or 33-40 in the grand scheme of things? I agree it's not wise to overdraft, but if you're convinced a guy is a difference maker then early 2 or very late 1 shouldn't be an issue. If you don't think he's a difference maker then you shouldn't take him that early at all. 

You pick him at 29 you've selected him at 29 and you move on to day two of the draft. 

You pick him at say, 38, you've select a player at 38 and pick up an additional pick early in the 4th round.

Two picks in round 4 and two picks in round 5. In a deep draft at several positions of need? That's a good thing. 

I absolutely believe Wormley is still available at 38. I wouldn't select him at 29 given the amount of talent that's going to be available. But if GB likes him (like H5 stated) there's probably a team looking to jump back into round 1 for a QB. 

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I think you all underrate Wormley, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes as high as 22 to Miami. He's a big, athletic versatile DL with a strong motor and no character issues, those guys get gobbled up pretty quick. 4-3 teams will want him as a 3-tech, 3-4 teams will want him at 5-tech. Round 1 goes to guys with the size/athletic upside combination. I don't think he would make it past Pittsburgh at 30. 

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Tdog posted:
GBFanForLife posted:

I have to admit I have no freaking idea what the hell he's talking about.
I'm beginning to believe that speaking so you're understood is a dying art.

I was under the impression that the creators of Twitter named it Twitter because they correctly anticipated that all the people who would use it would be twits.

Disclaimer - Above statement does not apply to people under the age of 18. 

DH13 posted:
Ghost of Lambeau posted:
Goalline posted:

What the hell does that have to do with pony penises, Patrick?

I officially don't get this response.  Everyone else has posted mocks.  Doesn't mean any of them are going to come true. 

This is the mock forum?  I thought it was the railroad forum.

 

And I thought it was the "Official 2017 Draft Thread".

Guess not.

Some are too busy mocking others.

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