I like Cook but his combine performance was mediocre enough where I wouldn't use a top 16 pick on him. If a guy is going that high he should be a big, talented back that has the ability to wear down a defense and if he's not that he should be Marshall Faulk-like talented. 4.49 in the 40 for a 210 pound back is very good but not exceptional. 30.5 vertical and 9'8" in the board jump are below average. 4.53 in the short shuttle and 7.27 in the 3 cone are poor numbers. Everyone ragged on Fournette's poor 28.5 vertical, but it was only 2 inches less than Cook's and Forunette outweighed Cook by 30 pounds. Cook should be in the bottom half of round one.
Good thing for Cook that scouts actually watch the games.
Chris McCaffrey is 8 lbs lighter and ran .01 seconds faster in the 40, Cook had 22 reps on the bench (4th best), and his 3-cone time was 3rd best among RBs, as was his 20 yd shuttle. His broad and vertical were not great though. Hard to say where Cook will go, but if there was a team in the top 15 that was wanting to take him before the Combine I don't think his performance did anything to scare them away. The tape is there, the only thing that is possibly scaring teams is the interviews. His entourage is the only thing dragging him down.
Three years of tape > three cone drills.
Here is what average combine numbers look like on an actual field against eventual national champion Clemson. 19 carries. 170 yards. 4 TDs.
It's not like Clemson is lacking athletes or speed on defense either. They have plenty of both.
But throw a cone or two on the field and I bet his stats would've gone way down.
News out of Washington pro day. Likely First round CB Sidney Jones suffered a "significant" lower leg injury.
That really, really sucks. Sounded like a good kid. Loads of talent. Just hope it's something he can recover from completely and eventually make it to the NFL.
Man that sucks. But could be a steal if he falls down the draft.
Latest word is a torn Achilles.
That's really bad, but someone will take a chance on him. Heck Jaylon Smith destroyed his knee and still got picked very early. Jones at his best isn't as talented as Smith was, but some team who can afford to be patient will take a chance on Day 2.
Jones appeared to be a pretty strong candidate for #29. Big position of need for Green Bay and in Sam Seale territory.
The Packers don't need a guy 3 years down the road. Jaylon Smith is damaged goods. It was a mistake for the Cowboys to draft him but Jerry don't give a ****.
I am not anywhere near what you would even call anything close to an evaluation type person. I just use my eyeballs, so in the eyeball test, peppers looked really good, and mcaffery looked really good. again, just eyeballs, they popped off the screen. both guys looked natural and looked good doing it.
"I am not anywhere near what you would even call anything close to an evaluation type person."
Hey, at least you admit it.
I like McCaffrey a lot because he is a decent runner and very good pass catcher and he graded out well athletically.
That type of hybrid WR/RB is the new TE I think. We saw this with our guy Montgomery and James White (among others). Tough to game plan for on defense.
I don't think Dalvin Cook makes it to #29 but even if he did I think Thompson would pass on him. Last year we had the discussion on how Thompson hasn't used many pick on players with medical red flags after the Harrell debacle. Thompson also seems to avoid players with big character red flags. Cook has been arrested three times and for offenses that just don't look good on the resume (robbery, battery, weapon). He has also had shoulder surgery on three different occasions. Thompson also has a history of drafting bigger backs (Franklin was the obvious big exception) and Cook was only 210 at the combine. Cook also has a reputation as a fumbler. Running back is a big need area for Green Bay but the defense needs more immediate help than the offense.
I can see why Thompson did the due diligence on Cook. Looks rock solid as a top 12-14 pick, but when examining the background there are things there that could cause him to slide down the board.
"Cook has been arrested three times and for offenses that just don't look good on the resume (robbery, battery, weapon). He has also had shoulder surgery on three different occasions. "
Why would he be drafted in the first round? The NFL is ****ed up.
GBFanForLife posted:"Cook has been arrested three times and for offenses that just don't look good on the resume (robbery, battery, weapon). He has also had shoulder surgery on three different occasions. "
Why would he be drafted in the first round? The NFL is ****ed up.
In fairness to Cook he went to trial on the battery charge and was found not guilty.
To be fair, he was found not guilty of battery and the "weapon" was a BB gun, which sounds more like him being an dumba$$ with really poor judgement than a criminal. He was charged with robbery as a juvenile though, that's no bueno.
The most concerning, to me is that he was cited for mistreating three puppies. Had them chained up outside the house with no shelter when they were under a year old.
Good summary of Cook's legal troubles:
So, just your basic piece of **** and dumb. Sounds like a great first round pick.
Some guys I'd love to see #Packers target at #29/#61 and fit nicely..
â Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) March 13, 2017
OLBs: Tim Williams, Tak McKinley
CBs: Fabian Moreau, Gareon Conley
I saw some mocks with GB picking either Taco or TJ. Taco was compared to Perry. TJ was already discussed here.
What do the other experts think?
I, for one, like tacos. Any kind, Americanized with ground beef and tomatoes or the healthy kind with ground turkey. The best is a carna asada street taco with cilantro, onion, and some tomatillo salsa.
Even Taco Wallace?
McKinley is going to have (or has already had) shoulder surgery, recovery time 4-6 months. I am a little leery that Moreau is a first round player based on the fact that Pac 12 coaches thought he was only, at best, the 5th best CB in the Pac 12
michiganjoe posted:Some guys I'd love to see #Packers target at #29/#61 and fit nicely..
â Ben Fennell (@BenFennell_NFL) March 13, 2017
OLBs: Tim Williams, Tak McKinley
CBs: Fabian Moreau, Gareon Conley
I think Tim Williams is out. Character concerns. Also size concerns. Lots of reports that his playing weight was sub-240. Did show up at the combine at 244 but could he maintain that through a NFL season? I think he's out at #29 and I'm not even sure Thompson would take him at #61 if he was available.
Last year we had the discussion on how Thompson has largely avoided guys with medical concerns. Someone (can't remember who, sorry) came up with Datko (shoulder) and he was a late round flyer selection. Thompson has a long track record in Green Bay and he doesn't have a history of taking players coming off a surgery. Thompson also likes those agility drills and McKinley's results there weren't good. The 7.48 in the three cone wasn't terrible but wasn't great for a player of his size (T.J. Watt = 6.79, Jordan Willis = 6.85, Trey Hendrickson = 7.03, Josh Carraway = 7.20, Tarell Basham = 7.27). And the 4.62 short shuttle number is terrible for a 250 pound 3-4 OLB. 316 pound defensive tackle Jaleel Johnson got slammed for poor aspects of his workouts (5.38 40 time), and he posted the same 4.62 short shuttle that McKinley did.
Moreau and Conley both seem to be right up Ted's alley. Tall and fast, just the way Ted likes his cornerbacks.
And don't forget, Ted loves athletes on defense.
One thing I'd like to see in a corner drafted is a true 6' or better height. Even if Randall and Rollins come around, neither have the desired length.
My first wish is for Watt: Pass rusher, fewer questions, etc. and Moreau if he's there in the second.
I'm sure they have teh length you desire.
McShart latest mock has Packers taking Ohio State CB Gareon Conley at #29, based largely on his speed and size.
He projects the Steelers to take UCLA OLB/DE Takkarist McKinley at #30.
If McKinley is there when the Packers draft, I don't see him not going there. They have an OLB need with Datone now gone, TT loves UCLA guys, and I think he's the top OLB in the draft.
But the shoulder injury will keep TT from picking him. Since Justin Harrell, he stays away from the injured.
Here is mine, based on CBS Board; 1- TJ Watt OLBer - UW 2- Adoree' Jackson CB - USC 3- Jaleel Johnson DT- Iowa 4- D'Onta Freeman RB- Texas 5- Jermaine Eluemunor G - Texas A&M 5- Amba Etta-Tawo WR- Syracuse 6- Josh Tupou DT- Colorado 7- Jimmie Gilbert ILBer - Colorado Have at it! |
I'd love that draft...
A word of caution from Ben Fennell on TJWatt:
TJ Watt's tape is filled w/ him rag-dolling TEs, flicking away RBs in pass pro, & chasing plays unblocked from backside... That worries me.
He later clarified that most of what he's accomplished hasn't been against OL whom he'll see a lot of in the pro's.
Joe Williams from Utah is the RB who intrigues me. He abruptly quit football for 4 games in the middle of this last season and still rushed for over 1,400 yards. His second game back from, "retirement" he ran for 332 yds. against UCLA. He also rushed for 222 yds. against Indiana in Utah's bowl game. He didn't catch many passes in college so I'm not sure how good his hands are. He has the speed to be a home run hitter and he plays bigger than he is. He's also supposedly a pretty good blocker and likes to deliver a blow when he carries the ball. I'm not sure where his head is at or how committed he is to football but I wouldn't mind picking him up if everything checks out and he's available when the value warrants. He's 5'-11", 210 lbs. and he ran a 4.41 40 which was the 2nd fastest time for RB's at the combine. I have a funny feeling he is someone Ted has his eye on.
Adoree Jackson has the fastest 40 time of any of the CB prospects in the draft (at least according to this website)
I can't see the fastest CB in the draft lasting until when the Packers draft in the 1st round, let along lasting until the end of Round 2. The one thing against him seems to be he has trouble playing the ball in the air.
After last year, it's clear they need to add speed at the CB position (and House doesn't help there). At least if a CB is fast, it forces an acrobatic catch over him (rather than just running in the clear like we saw too many times last year).
Adoree' Jackson*, CB, USCHeight: 5-11. Weight: 185.
Projected 40 Time: 4.42.
Projected Round (2017): 1-2.
3/4/17: Jackson put together an electric 2016 season for USC with 55 tackles with 11 passes broken up and five interceptions. He also returned two kickoffs and two punts for touchdowns in 2016 along with a touchdown reception on offense. Jackson has given the NFL proof that he is a serious cover-corner prospect for the 2017 NFL Draft. He does have problems with defending receptions over him and gave up a few touchdowns on those kinds of plays.
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Pittsburgh GM Kevin Colbert and HC Mike Tomlin took TJ Watt and Vince Biegel to dinner last night before WI pro day. Pitt is very serious about trying to draft one of them. Possibly both.
Biegel is going to be a steal for someone
I've seen Jackson as high as 15 & as low as 64 on different draft boards. Hard to say where he will go, but I agree, unlikely that he would be there for our second round. May be enough more polished CBs ahead of him for him to go in the First though.