Official 2017 NFL Draft Thread

I watch too much USC football. My son and I catch every game. 

Adoree is a special athlete. He ran a 4.41 at the combine but he can run faster than that. I think he's easily got a 4.35 or faster in him. He suffered a nasty ankle injury late in the 3rd quarter of the Rose Bowl and I don't think it's completely healed. 

But he's raw at corner. If the expectation is him coming in as the number 1 corner he's going through a steep learning curve. He'll make some plays but he's going to give up his share against elite NFL recievers. He's not as clean and polished like Sidney Jones and Conley. 

With the right coaching and patience his ceiling is crazy good. He's absolutely got the athleticism to become the best DB in this draft. But it's got to be the right system and he's not going to look like the best DB in this draft in 2017. If he works and listens and learns he'll be really good. 

The one thing no one can question on his first day in the NFL is that he's electric with the ball in his hands and a little open space. 

MichiganPacker posted:

Adoree Jackson has the fastest 40 time of any of the CB prospects in the draft (at least according to this website)

According to the official NFL combine stats, Adoree actually had the 7th fastest 40 time for CB's at the combine. He ran a 4.42 which is still plenty fast. Jalen Myrick from Minnesota had the fastest CB 40 at 4.28 and Fabian Moreau from UCLA ran a 4.35. Gareon Conley from Ohio state who I've seen mentioned as a possibility for the Pack ran a 4.44.

Interesting mock draft for the Pack

http://lombardiave.com/2017/03...en-round-mock-draft/

That is an interesting mock draft.  I had the same projection with three of the top four picks back as the beginning of February:

https://packers.timesfour.com/t...iction-thread?page=1

But currently I don't think Thompson would take Dorian Johnson in the first two rounds.  He isn't a ex-left tackle, isn't a short-armed trench-battler that Thompson seems to prefer on the inside and Johnson performed pretty badly in the agility drills at the combine.  If Thompson doesn't take an offensive lineman in round one it will be difficult to find value at that position in the next two rounds because offensive line in this draft is terrible.   

Post-combine five-round value board.  Some guys didn't move as much as expected (T.J. Watt), some did make pretty big moves (Fabian Moreau).  And then there is Sidney Jones who nobody knows what to do with right now (dropped to early second).  I would think he'd be fourth round but after Jaylon Smith last year, who knows?

Non-adjusted concensus board compiled from a bunch of different sources (CBS Sports, ESPN, NFL.com, etc).

QB:

1. Mitchell Trubisky/North Carolina – mid first
2. Deshaun Watson/Clemson – mid first
3. DeShone Kizer/Notre Dame – early second
4. Patrick Mahomes/Texas Tech – early second
5. Brad Kaaya/Miami, Fl – mid third
6. Davis Webb/California – mid third
7. Nathan Peterman/Pittsburgh – late third
8. Chad Kelly/Mississippi – early fifth
9. Joshua Dobbs/Tennessee – early fifth

RB:

1. Leonard Fournette/Louisiana State – early first
2. Dalvin Cook/Florida State – early first
3. Christian McCaffrey/Stanford – late first
4. Alvin Kamara/Tennessee – early second
5. Joe Mixon/Oklahoma – late second
6. D’Onta Foreman/Texas – mid third
7. Marlon Mack/South Florida – late third
8. Jeremy McNichols/Boise State – early fourth
9. Samaje Perine/Oklahoma – early fourth
10. Wayne Gallman/Clemson – mid fourth
11. Kareem Hunt/Toledo – late fourth
12. Brian Hill/Wyoming – early fifth
13. Jamaal Williams/Brigham Young – mid fifth
14. De’Veon Smith/Michigan – late fifth

WR:

1. Corey Davis/Western Michigan – early first
2. Mike Williams/Clemson – mid first
3. John Ross/Washington – mid first
4. Curtis Samuel/Ohio State – mid second
5. JuJu Smith-Schuster/Southern California – late second
6. Zay Jones/East Carolina – late second
7. ArDarius Stewart/Alabama – early third
8. Chris Godwin/Penn State – early third
9. Cooper Kupp/Eastern Washington – early third
10. Chad Hansen/California – late third
11. Malachi Dupre/Louisiana State – late third
12. Carlos Henderson/Louisiana Tech – late third
13. Dede Westbrook/Oklahoma – early fourth
14. Taywan Taylor/Western Kentucky – early fourth
15. Amara Darboh/Michigan – mid fourth
16. Isaiah Ford/Virginia Tech – mid fourth
17. Shelton Gibson/West Virginia – late fourth
18. Noah Brown/Ohio State – late fourth
19. Josh Reynolds/Texas A&M – late fourth
20. Travin Dural/Louisiana State – early fifth
21. Travis Rudolph/Florida State – mid fifth
22. Mack Hollins/North Carolina – mid fifth
23. Kenny Golladay/Northern Illinois – mid fifth

TE:

1. O.J. Howard/Alabama – early first
2. David Njoku/Miami, Fl – mid first
3. Evan Engram/Mississippi – early second
4. Bucky Hodges/Virginia Tech – mid second
5. Gerald Everett/South Alabama – late second
6. Adam Shaheen/Ashland – late second
7. Jake Butt/Michigan – mid third
8. Jordan Leggett/Clemson – late third
9. Jeremy Sprinkle/Arkansas – mid fourth
10. Michael Roberts/Toledo – mid fifth

OT:

1. Ryan Ramczyk/Wisconsin – mid first
2. Garett Bolles/Utah – late first
3. Cam Robinson/Alabama – late first
4. Taylor Moton/Western Michigan – early third
5. Antonio Garcia/Troy – early third
6. Will Holden/Vanderbilt – late third
7. Roderick Johnson/Florida State – late third
8. Adam Bisnowaty/Pittsburgh – early fourth
9. Chad Wheeler/Southern California – late fourth
10. Conor McDermott/UCLA – early fifth
11. Erik Magnuson/Michigan – mid fifth
12. J.J. Dielman/Utah – mid fifth
13. Julien Davenport/Bucknell – late fifth

OG:

1. Forrest Lamp/Western Kentucky – late first
2. Dan Feeney/Indiana – mid second
3. Dion Dawkins/Temple – mid second
4. Dorian Johnson/Pittsburgh – mid second
5. Zach Banner/Southern California – mid third
6. Nico Siragusa/San Diego State – late third
7. Danny Isidora/Miami, Fl – mid fourth
8. Isaac Asiata/Utah – mid fourth
9. David Sharpe/Florida – mid fourth
10. Jessamen Dunker/Tennessee State – early fifth
11. Collin Buchanan/Miami, OH – mid fifth
12. Jordan Morgan/Kutztown, Pa – late fifth
13. Damien Mama/Southern California – late fifth

C:

1. Pat Elflein/Ohio State – early third
2. Ethan Pocic/Louisiana State – mid third
3. Tyler Orlosky/West Virginia – early fourth
4. Kyle Fuller/Baylor – late fourth

DE:

1. Myles Garrett/Texas A&M – early first
2. Solomon Thomas/Stanford – early first
3. Derek Barnett/Tennessee – mid first
4. Taco Charlton/Michigan – mid first
5. Charles Harris/Missouri – early second
6. Carl Lawson/Auburn – mid second
7. DeMarcus Walker/Florida State – early third
8. Tarell Basham/Ohio – early third
9. Jordan Willis/Kansas State – early third
10. Derek Rivers/Youngstown State – late third
11. Daeshon Hall/Texas A&M – late third
12. Tanoh Kpassagnon/Villanova – early fourth
13. Trey Hendrickson/Florida Atlantic – early fourth
14. Keionta Davis/Tennessee-Chattanooga – early fifth
15. Dawuane Smoot/Illinois – early fifth
16. Hunter Dimick/Utah – late fifth
17. Avery Moss/Youngstown State – late fifth

DT:

1. Jonathan Allen/Alabama – early first
2. Malik McDowell/Michigan State – late first
3. Caleb Brantley/Florida – early second
4. Chris Wormley/Michigan – early third
5. Larry Ogunjobi/North Carolina-Charlotte – early third
6. Montravius Adams/Auburn – mid third
7. Elijah Qualls/Washington – mid third
8. Carlos Watkins/Clemson – mid third
9. Dalvin Tomlinson/Alabama – late third
10. Jaleel Johnson/Iowa – early fourth
11. Eddie Vanderdoes/UCLA – mid fourth
12. Jarron Jones/Notre Dame – mid fourth
13. D.J. Jones/Mississippi – late fourth
14. Nazair Jones/North Carolina – late fourth
15. Vincent Taylor/Oklahoma State – late fourth
16. Isaac Rochell/Notre Dame – late fourth
17. Ryan Glasgow/Michigan – early fifth
18. Charles Walker/Oklahoma – early fifth
19. Davon Godchaux/Louisiana State – mid fifth
20. Steve Tu’ikolovatu/Southern California – late fifth
21. Tanzel Smart/Tulane – late fifth

OLB:

1. Haason Reddick/Temple – mid first
2. Takkarist McKinley/UCLA – late first
3. Tim Williams/Alabama – late first
4. T.J. Watt/Wisconsin – early second
5. Ryan Anderson/Alabama – late second
6. Tyus Bowser/Houston – mid third
7. Duke Riley/Louisiana State – late third
8. Alex Anzalone/Florida – late third
9. Carroll Phillips/Illinois – mid fourth
10. Vince Biegel/Wisconsin – early fifth
11. Noble Nwachukwu/West Virginia – mid fifth
12. Elijah Lee/Kansas State – mid fifth
13. Devonte Fields/Louisville – late fifth
14. Ejuan Price/Pittsburgh – late fifth

ILB:

1. Reuben Foster/Alabama – early first
2. Zach Cunningham/Vanderbilt – late first
3. Jarrad Davis/Florida – early second
4. Raekwon McMillan/Ohio State – early third
5. Anthony Walker Jr./Northwestern – early fourth
6. Kendell Beckwith/Louisiana State – early fourth
7. Connor Harris/Lindenwood – mid fifth
8. Blair Brown/Ohio – late fifth

CB:

1. Marshon Lattimore/Ohio State – early first
2. Marlon Humphrey/Alabama – mid first
3. Teez Tabor/Florida – late first
4. TreDavious White/Louisiana State – late first
5. Sidney Jones/Washington – early second
6. Gareon Conley/Ohio State – early second
7. Adoree’ Jackson/Southern California – mid second
8. Cordrea Tankersley/Clemson – mid second
9. Chidobe Awuzie/Colorado – mid second
10. Quincy Wilson/Florida – late second
11. Fabian Moreau/UCLA – late second
12. Jourdan Lewis/Michigan – late second
13. Kevin King/Washingon – early third
14. Cameron Sutton/Tennessee – early third
15. Ahkello Witherspoon/Colorado – mid third
16. Rasul Douglas/West Virginia – mid third
17. Desmond King/Iowa – mid third
18. Howard Wilson/Houston – mid fourth
19. Jalen Myrick/Minnesota – mid fourth
20. Damontae Kazee/San Diego State – late fourth
21. William Likely/Maryland – early fifth
22. Corn Elder/Miami, Fl – late fifth
23. Marquez White/Florida State – late fifth

S:

1. Jamal Adams/Louisiana State – early first
2. Malik Hooker/Ohio State – early first
3. Jabrill Peppers/Michigan – late first
4. Budda Baker/Washington – early second
5. Obi Melifonwu/Connecticut – mid second
6. Josh Jones/North Carolina State – late second
7. Marcus Williams/Utah – late second
8. Marcus Maye/Florida – mid third
9. Justin Evans/Texas A&M – mid third
10. Eddie Jackson/Alabama – early fourth
11. John Johnson/Boston College – mid fourth
12. Josh Harvey-Clemons/Louisville – late fourth
13. Tedric Thompson/Colorado – early fifth
14. Rayshawn Jenkins/Miami, Fl – mid fifth
15. Lorenzo Jerome/Saint Francis, Pa – mid fifth

Just me.

This is a year in which I would really like if TT would consider trading down. There are a lot of value picks on the second day.

Two guys I think right now will get heavy consideration from GB at 29: TJ Watt and Chidobe Awuzie. Watt is an ascending talent like Clay Matthews and fits perfect with the scheme. I've seen some criticism about him when he's faced Tackles, but I think TT will bet that he's still learning and will get better. Awuzie is a really versatile guy who has all the physical tools. He has the Charles Woodson versatility where he can play Slot, Outside, Safety, and rushes the QB well.

Ted loves Pac-12 players and B1G front 7 players. 

That would be sweet

Why wouldn't TT take McCaffrey if he's there at #29?

Because we already has a very similar player in Monty? 

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Why wouldn't TT take McCaffrey if he's there at #29?

Because we don't need a tweener RB and they have Monty in that role already.   Most years I think he would be intriguing but unless they plan on playing 45-42 games every week and having to outscore the opponent he has to address that defense.  But just because I said that TT will draft him.

He also won't be there at 29 in my opinion. 

Redskins will snag him.

Still hoping it's Watt. 

TT is going to pick BPA.

Woe betide Packer fans if BPA is another quarterback.

Yeah, there would have to be a QB actually worth a 1st round grade.  I am also in the Watt camp at this point.  If he can provide anything like what Clay provided as a rookie he may actually extend Clay's career in tandem with Perry (if he stays healthy).  It would be a big chunk of what ails this defense outside of firing Capers.

Rumor going around that the Steelers like Watt, but not in round 1. Could obviously be, and likely is, all smoke, but Watt definitely does have a couple question marks. Fortunately for him though he's basically everything you want from a physical and mental standpoint. He only has 1 year of production and not a large body of work against good OT's, but it was a really good year regardless of how he accomplished it. Oh and the genetics don't hurt in terms of potential upside.

GD, is there any substance to those claims that he didn't have success against tackles?

He didn't have too.  Remember, Watt has only been on defense for a couple years (was a TE).  He didn't really have to go up against big tackles, but I don't see any warning signs that he can't.  He's big, strong and fast enough.  

I worry about his knees.  

I think the worry came from Ben Fennell, a tweet.  Normally, I really like his input he puts together post games with the all 22 but in the case of Watt I'm not buying it.

The Heckler posted:

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Why wouldn't TT take McCaffrey if he's there at #29?

Because we don't need a tweener RB and they have Monty in that role already.   Most years I think he would be intriguing but unless they plan on playing 45-42 games every week and having to outscore the opponent he has to address that defense.  But just because I said that TT will draft him.

True.  We do need defense.  But IF he was available at #29, I think TT would pause a bit.   I still think McCaffrey can be that pain-in-the-A$$ player on offense better than Cobb.  You know, the  Edelman-Woodhead-Wes Walker type of back.

PackerBackerDPM posted:

I think the worry came from Ben Fennell, a tweet.  Normally, I really like his input he puts together post games with the all 22 but in the case of Watt I'm not buying it.

If GD bashes him I say we take him.

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

The Heckler posted:

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Why wouldn't TT take McCaffrey if he's there at #29?

Because we don't need a tweener RB and they have Monty in that role already.   Most years I think he would be intriguing but unless they plan on playing 45-42 games every week and having to outscore the opponent he has to address that defense.  But just because I said that TT will draft him.

True.  We do need defense.  But IF he was available at #29, I think TT would pause a bit.   I still think McCaffrey can be that pain-in-the-A$$ player on offense better than Cobb.  You know, the  Edelman-Woodhead-Wes Walker type of back.

Were those guys even drafted?

Yeah, that's what you need.  A replacement for Cobb (and his salary, which should just fly off the books) even though they have Montgomery and signed Bennett and Kendricks to fit the style of offense they run.  Because that's what the defense needs, redundant offensive talent for a scheme they really don't use in the first place.

If Watt is there at 29 I would probably select him.   It's a position of need and I think Watt could have a CMIII type impact which they desperately need. 

Only problem is I'm not sure he will be there at 29.  

McCaffrey is an intriguing player for so many reasons.   Sure, he looks and plays a lot like Monty but his ability as a runner and receiver AND returner can't be overlooked.  Everyone says GB needs a bruiser at RB but could you imagine both MCC and Monty lined up in the backfield together?  Good luck trying to defend that. 

BrainDed posted:

GD, is there any substance to those claims that he didn't have success against tackles?

I didn't say he didn't have success, I said the body work against good Tackles isn't there meaning there weren't a lot of examples of him competing against NFL caliber Tackles. More of an unknown as the B1G doesn't have an elite LT prospect this year or next. Arguably the best OL in the B1G is on his own team. The kid from Michigan is good I guess. It's not his fault, in a normal year he'd face an elite prospect from Iowa and Ohio St, but those guys just weren't there this year. That's not as much of a negative in my opinion for reasons mentioned, but there are reasons he's likely not a top 15 pick and his lack of competition against NFL OT's is probably one of them.

I didn't say the others were drafted...I was just comparing McCaffrey to those type of players.  Plus, as mentioned, he has return quality, too.  I was just positing on what TT would do if he was there at #29.  Obviously, we need a lot of help on defense, but TT doesn't always do what we think he might do.   I do believe McCaffrey will be a special player, that's all.

I think some team is going to be very happy with McCaffrey, prior to our pick

I think Ted will trade back

I think Ted will take a RB in the 5th round

Henry posted:

Yeah, there would have to be a QB actually worth a 1st round grade.

....... and that could play defense.  If GB had a guy on the defensive side who had the effect AR has on the offensive side, may the mess we call a defense would straighten out. 

But Ted thinks he has the difference maker on defense.  His name is Clay Matthews.  He also has an 11 sack guy, former first round pick playing opposite him.  That's why the Packers will take a CB in the first round.

They also need a CB, that might cross his mind too.  

I'd guess they want Matthews to roam more because it does a few things: 

1. He's productive and versatile. 

2. When he gets hurt, you have guys slotted to fill positions. 

3. A great pass rush makes any secondary look better. 

Watt would be nice, so would Hasaan Reddick. With Reddick and Matthews, just think of the Wizarding possibilities!

We were 6th in sacks & 12th in "hurries" last season, we got enough pressure.... just could not cover. 

I disagree. Timely pressures were lacking. You can never have too much pass rush. Beating up on the TJ Clemmings of the league skews the stats. 

My first mock for '17 on FanSpeak:

El-Stalker-Bong posted:

I think some team is going to be very happy with McCaffrey, prior to our pick

I think Ted will trade back

I think Ted will take a RB in the 5th round

I have him pegged for Denver. Stanford guy, son of former teammate, sounds like John Elways perfect prospect.

I learned a few things from this mock.

1) We'll definitely be able to land good players well into the middle rounds. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised, if Ted can find some willing trade partners, to see a trade down into the second round, adding another 3rd or 4th in the process.

2) The run on running backs begins earlier than I expected. I was left scrambling to find anybody in the fifth round, because all of the popular backs and 2nd-tier guys were already off the board.

3) This draft class is thin in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. I felt lucky to find Jones sitting there in the fifth, with another DL in the 7th. I think we need two from this draft, unless the team can land a free agent at some point.

Herschel posted:

I'd guess they want Matthews to roam more because it does a few things: 

1. He's productive and versatile. 

2. When he gets hurt, you have guys slotted to fill positions. 

3. A great pass rush makes any secondary look better. 

Watt would be nice, so would Hasaan Reddick. With Reddick and Matthews, just think of the Wizarding possibilities!

My question is: How come Matthews has never taken a strong leadership role? Is it because the other D players don't respect him? Is it because he isn't on the field enough? One thing this D is missing is a really strong leader. Usually that guy comes from either the safety or LB position (because of the Dline rotation). I have yet to see Clay step up and be the go-to guy he has the potential to be. Maybe Ha-Ha will be that guy, but I have yet to see it...

I've also noticed that Clay doesn't have the right facial expressions on the sideline or on the field.  

Ted really needs to draft a guy who knows how to exude leadership better for the television.  

I don't give a rat's butt what his facial expression is like, but I do care about leadership skills and willingness to step up and drag others along.