@RobDemovsky: Just spoke with Vacaville, CA police. Said Jarrett Bush will not be charged with anything. More details coming.
@RobDemovsky: According to the cops, there was a disturbance at a bar. Police came. All were asked to leave. Bush didn't leave, so they took him in.
@RobDemovsky: The police statement on Jarrett Bush. Key line: No charges will be filed.
man, I hate to leave until my drink's finished too.
Originally Posted by cuqui:
Bush was placed on a detention hold and then released.
I'll have to check out the tape
Originally Posted by cuqui:
@RobDemovsky: Just spoke with Vacaville, CA police. Said Jarrett Bush will not be charged with anything. More details coming.
@RobDemovsky: According to the cops, there was a disturbance at a bar. Police came. All were asked to leave. Bush didn't leave, so they took him in.
@RobDemovsky: The police statement on Jarrett Bush. Key line: No charges will be filed.
Seriously, how hard is it to make a PDF of that?
Silverstein on Cobb's situation:
According to NFL Network, the one-year offer the Packers would have had to make to Cobb in order to put the franchise tag on him rose to $12.823 million. The one-year transition offer would have been $10.971 million.
The Packers have exclusive bargaining rights with Cobb until March 7 when all free agents are allowed to speak with other teams during a three-day open window. No deals may be completed or signed during that time, but there's nothing keeping teams from making handshake deals.
Free agency officially starts on March 10. If the Packers don't have Cobb signed then they will have to fight with the rest of the NFL for his services.
The Packers may have set a ceiling of $10 million per year with Cobb since that is what veteran Jordy Nelson receives and they probably don't want to pay him more. Cobb appears to have a higher number than that. One source said the word going around at the NFL combine league personnel staff and executives was that his price was $12 million per year.
One of the things that ****s up a teams ability to build a capable roster correctly via the draft and prudent FA acquisition is that the NFL is loaded with ignorant ****ing front offices that overspend for **** they never saw in the draft to begin with and then overpay for years later.
The net result of all this is good players ending up on **** rosters only to be replaced years later by more overpaid free agents in a never ending cycle of stupidity.
Originally Posted by ChilliJon:
Anyone else notice the admin is kind of an ass...
Yep, that's why you need to get things done ahead of time and avoid the lure of free agency. I am not sure if the Packers were gunshy over past injuries or what but they will be paying for the mistake of not doing Cobb's deal right after Jordy's.
So you're saying they're ****ing two birds with one ****ing stone?
I hardly think Cobb went from a reasonable margin in salary request than suddenly went to wanting 12mil a season. And consider since no one from the Packers ever talks contracts until the deal is done, we have no idea if the "source" is even close to being accurate. Remember what Cobb tweeted this week
Originally Posted by RushRunner:
Ugh at $12M per. Should have gotten this deal done right after Jordy's was done, Ted.
It takes two to tango......maybe Cobb wanted to wait until after the season. Flacco did and it paid off. So did Cobb. Raji tried and it was a disaster.
Originally Posted by CUPackFan:
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I have suspected for awhile that Cobb wanted to wait to test free agency, or at least use it to drive up his salary. It's still on Ted, he's the man in charge. He has gambled correctly most of the time it seems. If the market for Cobb really is $12M he lost this gamble. I say let Cobb walk if you have to pay $12M per.
Cobb wasn't going to get paid big money with his early performance this year and the injury last year. He knew it, TT knew it and they all played out the scenario. No way Cobb would've signed a deal when he had a year to make up for a busted leg and a shakey start to this season.
Originally Posted by RushRunner:
I have suspected for awhile that Cobb wanted to wait to test free agency, or at least use it to drive up his salary. It's still on Ted, he's the man in charge. He has gambled correctly most of the time it seems. If the market for Cobb really is $12M he lost this gamble. I say let Cobb walk if you have to pay $12M per.
It's pretty impressive you intuitoonuated that a player coming off a injury and then performing subpar for the first few games would want to play out his contract year to see if he could make more money.
That's some mad Sherlockin'.
$12 mil? Not unless the next year that number drops to something more reasonable. He might just have to walk and try to find another QB who won't get him killed going over the middle. Brady comes to mind, but I'm not sure BB would pay $12 mil either.
Guess I don't know what is "on TT" here. TT can't make Cobb sign anything. This isn't Madden 2015. And we have no idea what even happened at 1265 Lombardi Avenue to make us say TT did anything wrong.
Nothing will happen until right before free agency, and like a year ago with Shields, I expect Ted to reluctantly give Cobb close to what he wants.
It's the business. Jordy played out a middling 3 year contract, got paid. Cobb played out his rookie contract after a interruption due to injury, he's going to get paid.
Yes, I'm sure there is a some furious contract negotiations coming up against the deadline because that's leverage. That's how it works.
Originally Posted by heyward:
Nothing will happen until right before free agency, and like a year ago with Shields, I expect Ted to reluctantly give Cobb close to what he wants.
I'm curious to see what the length of the contract is and who is asking for how long. Does Cobb want the big long term deal or another shot at a re-up in 3 years with a big fat bonus this next year?
Rumor in Oakland is they might offer Cobb "silly money" ($15 million per year?)
Looks like the Raiders have $45 million in cap space
I think Cobb is gone. If the Raiders are going to pay him that, he almost has to take it. How could anyone blame him?
Nelson, Adams, Abbrederis, Janis, and maybe Boykin give them some good candidates to try to replace him. Cobb's a good receiver, but not at the 12-15 million a year numbers that have been thrown around.
i want cobb back as bad as anyone, but he's not the clear #1 wr, he's not in the same category as megatron, he's an execellent complement to jordy, he's more of a 1b to me, somewhere in oak, he'd be nothing, quick. that's a lot of cabbage for cobb.
Would you rather have Cobb or Bulaga, House, and Tramon?
15 million might get you all of the latter 3.
was just going to post what pkr_north said - Cobb doesn't strike me as a pure #1 at all. he's a great complement but the $15mil/year talk - only if some team wants to screw up their cap and not get what they thought they were.
that said, I'll still be surprised if he's not in G&G again next year.
Even worse for the Packers is that the Raiders are in some new territory where the CBA requires each team to pay out a certain amount of cash over a 3 years span. This is different than the cap minimum, which involves accounting gimmicks. This new rule deals with pure outlay of cash.
I read Raiders have to fork over a lot of cash to someone and would't shock me if they gave it to Cobb.
I believe this is the original blurb that started all the $12/M yr freaking out:
From JSOsilverstein
"One source said the word going around at the NFL combine league personnel staff and executives was that his price was $12 million per year."
An anonymous, unattributed comment about some hearsay at the combine ( allegedly)
What they fail to offer is some context:
"The word at the combine was that Cobb loves the Packers/Rodgers so much it would take $12 million a year to pry him loose. The $12 million figure is what another team has to pay, not what the Packers have to pay."
^ That steaming pile of bs above is just as valid as an anonymous comment repeating alleged hearsay without attribution or context.
Houston has told Andre Johnson if they can't trade him, he'll be released. Leaving Houston with DeAndre Hopkins and a bag of lock washers at WR.
Houston is the kind of front office that would **** things up. Rick Smith was on shaky ground last year. 5 of his draft picks from 2013 are not on the team. Clowney is a great big question mark. Smith never has solved the QB situation. Not exactly a GM with time to start a rebuild project.
I hope he stays, but not for crazy money. If they lose him it is a sure bet they'll re-sign Bulaga and have enough money to sign a very good ILB and a corner. Later you'll get a third round compensatory pick. Adams is a drop off but not off a cliff---Janis, Abredarous and a fourth round WR this year fill the void.
With the ILB and corner free agents coming in--Thompson could draft TE Maxx Williams in the first round further reducing the pain of losing the very talented Randal Cobb.
Originally Posted by Tdog:
was just going to post what pkr_north said - Cobb doesn't strike me as a pure #1 at all. he's a great complement but the $15mil/year talk - only if some team wants to screw up their cap and not get what they thought they were.
that said, I'll still be surprised if he's not in G&G again next year.
Is Harvin a pure #1? The point is that Cobb is a utility player the likes of few in this league that can almost singlehandedly jump start this offense, especially against stiffer defenses.
This isn't about a pure #1, this is about pure football player who is a weapon at multiple positions.
Exactly Henry, people can downplay this all they want but if they lose Cobb it will be a H-U-G-E blow to the talent level on offense. Granted, Adams may turn out to be pretty good but this team will be hard pressed to replace the clutch performer Cobb has turned into, depending on Janis and Abberderis to replace that is just totally ridiculous
Ditto this Yoop....would miss a clutch player terribly. Dang I hope they can keep him.
If Cobb goes to Oakland for the stupidly large contract, I hope the Packers use the money to sign Julius Thomas and draft a new WR in the 2nd round. While even a Pro Bowl TE like Thomas may not add the same dimension that Cobb does, he'd be less expensive, and he'd greatly upgrade the TE position. Signing a top-level TE combined with Adams taking a step forward could keep the offense humming right along if Cobb goes.
Thomas is a weak blocker but he could be a really nice compliment to TE Rodgers. I dismissed Thomas but if Cobb is gone ... It is not a Ted move though, even less of a Ted move than getting into FA bidding for Cobb.
http://www.packersnews.com/sto...ndall-cobb/24278129/
Cobb is a good receiver, but not a No. 1 threat like Bryant and Thomas. His market is expected to be between $8 and $9 million per year, a league source said. A "great deal" on the open market would be $10 million per year, a figure the Packers aren't likely to offer, the source said.
Anything above $10 million would be unrealistic for Cobb, the source said.
Hard to say exactly what's going on with the negotiations. My guess is the two sides will come to an agreement and Cobb will remain a Packer.
Originally Posted by Hungry5:
And rule No.2? Actually, I'd like the full list of rules. Thank you!
What is out of line about the 12 million dollar comment? Based on other anonymous, hearsay comments it sounds like Ted would be willing to pay Cobb just under what Nelson is getting (9.762 million per season).
I think the speculation is probably pretty close to the reality. If Cobb was willing to do 9 million per season, or Ted was willing to do 12 million per season, this would no longer be an issue and the deal would be done. It's pretty likely that those are the numbers the two sides are currently seeking.
Personally, I just hope Cobb doesn't get stuck on the 12 million dollar figure because there are benefits that come with playing for the Packers that have already been discussed here. I also hope that Ted doesn't get stuck on the idea that he can't pay Cobb more than Nelson because Nelson can play outside and is a true number one and Cobb isn't. That is a concept I just don't understand.
Nelson = 151 targets, 98 catches, 1519 yards, 13 TDs, 19 20+, 71 1st downs
Cobb = 126 targets, 91 catches, 1287 yards, 12 TDs, 24 20+, 71 1st downs
Nelson had more catches and yards but was targeted 25 more times. Not considered in the numbers above is the versatility that Cobb can give the offense by lining up in the backfield and Cobb can also contribute in the return game. All that said, I'd still give Nelson the nod but when looking at the overall production and contribution to the team it's hard for me to say that Nelson is definitely a #1 WR and Cobb is somehow an inferior #2 player. I think Cobb has virtually the same amount of value as Nelson to this team and considering Cobb is signing his deal a season later, in a year where the cap went up 10 million dollars, I don't think it's at all unreasonable that Cobb gets the same deal or one slightly better than what Nelson got. That's just the way this game works.
I really don't know if I would give Cobb 12 million per year if I was in Ted's shoes. But that isn't a crazy number IMO. Calvin Johnson's name was brought up as a player who is at a different level than Cobb. But Calvin Johnson's contract averages over 16 million per year and has nearly 50 million in guaranteed money. From all indications Cobb is not looking for that type of deal.
Hopefully they can get a deal worked out. If one side is indeed at 9 million and the other at 12, that's close enough where one would think middle ground can still be reached. But I will be very concerned if it gets to March 10 and a deal is not reached, because a team like the Raiders are in a position to give Cobb significantly more than the Packers. And that's not just in terms of an average dollar per season deal, but in terms of front-loading a contract, giving more guaranteed money and structuring the contract in a way where it's likely that Cobb will see much more money...the Raiders are in a position to just blow away the Packers could do for Cobb contract-wise. If Ted wants to keep Cobb he has to move very aggressively and he needs to do it right now.
Originally Posted by PackerJoe:
I think the speculation is probably pretty close to the reality.
Why? That hearsay is usually way off when it comes to the Packers.
Agreed, 12 mil per for Cobb is too much.
Word on Facebook is five years/$37 million for Cobb. We'll see soon if that's the deal that's been reached.
Thompson is negotiating through Facebook now? I always thought he was more of a MySpace kind of guy.