Packers 2015 FA's... what would you do?

Cobb isn't just a #2 WR, he's a Slot Receiver and he's arguably the best Slot Receiver in the NFL. It's not about comparing Cobb to Jordy, they play different positions in many ways, you have to compare Cobb to the rest of the league. When you look at the market for Slot Receivers the contracts of Percy Harvin, Victor Cruz, and Antonio Brown have set the market for what a SR costs...Harvin got 6 years/64 mil from Seattle (thanks Schneider!), Victor Cruz got 5 years/43 mil from NY, and Brown got 5 years/42 mil from Pittsburgh. Cobb is better and more complete player than all 3 IMO. 

 

Harvin's deal is hilarious and it's clear he's an idiot, his agent is an idiot, whoever traded for him in NY is an idiot, and Seattle pulled a fast one on all of them. They back loaded the crap out of his contract with figures he was never going to see and paid him nothing in signing bonus (2.5 mil) and 9 mil of guaranteed salary over 2 years. Seattle definitely knew he was a 2 year rental and built his contract accordingly (with no dead money on the books after 2014). The contract looks massive, but in Seattle's eyes they paid him essentially 14.5 mil (total guaranteed dollars after other bonuses) over 2 years. Why NY would absorb 41 mil in salary over 4 years is beyond me. Either way though those figures make him the highest paid SR in the NFL and I guarantee Cobb's agent is arguing that Cobb deserves to be the highest paid SR in the NFL and that means more than Percy Harvin's 10.7 mil per year avg salary. 

 

You want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at Cheat Carroll and John Schneider for skewing the market just to get a 2 year rental on a player, who barely played for them, on the cheap. 

But didn't Seattle give a high draft choice to get Harvin?

Three draft picks, including a No. 1.

 

You'd be hard-pressed to find any GM who would take Cobb over Antonio Brown.

why not?  totally different situation.  market value and cap have changed too.

yeah, i like cobb, but give me brown.  that guy is ridiculously awesome.

The idea that you can't pay Cobb more than Nelson is absurd. He had just as good a season and he's 5 years younger. Cobb should be paid more than Nelson.

Brown just looks better because he's so much better than every other receiver on that team. Cobb has Jordy overshadowing him. I'll taks Cobb and his versatile. That's not to take anything away from Brown, he's awesome.

You could also say that Cobb looks better because he has Nelson playing with him. Brown dominates despite the fact he has no help and every defense focuses on stopping him. 

The idea that Cobb is as much if not more valuable than Jordy is absurd

How quickly we forget the numbers Jordy puts up year over year.  He can beat guys deep.  He can catch over the middle.  He makes ridiculous sideline catches.  And he's simply a load to defend

Randall had a very good 2014 season.  Play 3 more like that and then he's as good as Jordy in my book.  Chances are it won't happen and it's not worth overpaying him to try to find out.

Suh is a fascinating guy in my book.  He doesn't miss games and he plays angry- no pun intended.  The guy has also given this team fits much like Peppers did in Chitcago. If you knew the big money wouldn't change him - and I realize that's a risk - the guy could transform this D.

And Nelson always seems to disappear when facing a premier CB. Where was Nelson vs detroit and in the post season?

 

This thread is closing in on the corner of Angst and Apprehension. Please make sure your seat belts are fastened. 

Who said Cobb is more valuable than Nelson? He'll be paid more the Nelson because he's coming off a terrific season and he's 24 years old. Not sure why that's so difficult to understand.

If Cobb played the last 4 years with Mark Sanchez, would we be talking about him as a potential $12m/yr player?  No.  That's why TT on't pay him that or even $10m.  No WR is worth that money b/c it's a dependent position (like RB).  It doesn't make sense to put 15% of your salary cap into 2 WRs when you have Rodgers.  Is it any coincidence that TT has yet to blow a WR pick?  Is he that amazing at picking WRs?  Or does having Rodgers at QB make every WR look a little (or a lot) better than they really are?   

 

By the way, I really like Cobb.  But you don't win a super bowl by paying your top 2 WRs $20m combined.  

I'll trade Cobb's potential $50 million contract for Jeff Janis' (7th round pick) upside.

 

 

You win one a hell of a lot faster paying two gifted WRs $20 million in an offensive happy leage than you do paying a DT $15 million. 

It's hard to tell how good Cobb and Nelson really are because 1)they complement each other so well, and 2)they have the best QB in the league throwing to them. Take away one and the other isn't as effective. Take away AR and... the sky would fall.

 

Anyway, Cobb needs only to look at G. Jennings to understand that his best choices are really between GB and NE. And now I'm waiting to hear what Jennings is telling Cobb...

I don't think Greg and Cobb are all that close. Its very likely Greg feels Ted "low balled" him because of Cobb and James Jones. Cobb probably doesnt follow Davante on Twitter. Davante probably isn't paying for Janis' lunch at Qdoba. 

 

And the beat goes on.....

Janis Drive or Court?

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His first 2 years he missed 2 games, in his 3 year he missed 10 games and had injury difficulties for the other 6 games. Last year he played the whole season.

I think Cobb needs to play on a team were he is a slot receiver, But somebody will sign him as a number 1 receive.  I think with all the money around this year he will get 12 million. Also remember this is the first year teams have to spend at least 90% of the salary cap.

 

Rookie year he missed one game with a groin issue.  I can't find the other game he missed.  

 

2013, it took this hit to put him out with a broken bone.  

Cobb has not shown he is injury prone or fragile.  There are reasons not to sign a wide receiver to a huge contract, but in Cobb's case, being oft injured is not one of them.   

Sadist?

If Cobb ends up in Seattle I will be unthrilled.

 

I still think they're going to work it out.

I love Cobb. It will be a loss, but spending his money on defense and drafting offensive skill positions in this draft, which seems pretty full of such things, could be the better end of the deal.

It's not a bad thing to have two high prices receivers as long as you're getting what you pay for. Spending big dollars on 20 mil on prima donnas or overrated players is a bad idea, but Cobb and Jordy are neither of those things. Investing in quality talent is never wrong. Cobb needs to decide what is most important for him, short term money or long term money. Sure he could take a boatload of cash from Oakland, but by the time his next contract rolls around he will not break the bank again...Oakland is where careers go to die. So maybe he takes 2 or 3 mil less per year to stay in GB, he will always produce big numbers and will get another big contract in 4 or 5 years though. Cobb seems like a smart enough guy, but his agent is the one who advises him and agents get a piece of the contract so he's always going to advise Cobb to take the bigger contract in the short term so that he gets paid right now.

and lets talk QB's throwing to the receivers.....ah, the best in the league?  or a no name that will make you look terrible.  I hope Randall stays in Green Bay.  He's a great blocker too isn't he??  

"...agents get a piece of the contract so he's always going to advise Cobb to take the bigger contract in the short term so that he gets paid right now."

 

Why wouldn't the agent adopt a similarly long view? If he gets the client a contract he's happy with the agent would presumably be in position to negotiate the next one.

 

However , I don't think anyone takes less short term money (nor should they). The business is too uncertain. A single event (injury/coaching change/positional competition/off field problem/etc)  can erase every non-guaranteed penny from a contract. If Cobb gets a ridiculous offer he should take it, even if it's from the CFL.

Per article from Wilde, he missed the last games of two seasons:  in 2011 vs. Detroit and also in 2012 vs. Minnesota .

Yeah I'm sure you can win a Super Bowl by paying your 2 WRs 15% of your cap.......but has it ever actually happened?  I can't think of a championship team in the last 15 years that has devoted that much to their top 2 WRs.  hell look at the WRs in last year's Super Bowl, a whole bunch of nobodies.  Maybe the Colts, with Wayne and Harrison but that's likely it.  And that was a very down year in the NFL (Rex Grossman and the Bears were in the Super Bowl for God's sake).  Obviously you need to spend that money right, not just throw it to whoever.  But in my opinion, that money is better spent elsewhere when you have a QB like Rodgers.  Just my opinion though....

TT seems to do well signing his guys at WR through their second deals.  James Jones got two contracts with the Packers.  Greg Jennings had two contracts with the Packers.  Getting players through their second deals has a big upside because they are just coming into their own.  After the second contract the value drops off.  This is especially true when other teams come in and offer huge money to someone going into their third contract.  I still think we would have liked to have kept Jones and Jennings through their third deals, but Minnesota and Oakland are dumb with their money and far too in love with free agency. 

 

I think TT will try to push for the lower deal and would be dumb not to, but I really think he will look beyond the normal constrictions one would place on a deal like this.  Their is going to be a lot of value in a second contract with Cobb.  I still believe it will get done, but it is hard to factor in exactly how much the Raiders will be willing to overpay to get some talent for their young QB to throw to.

I think if Cobb is looking at the long term earning ability, he should take the best deal Green Bay will offer and work this deal out.  If he goes to Oakland it will be harder sledding and his numbers will suffer.  He will more than make up whatever he does not make in this deal by the dumb contract Oakland will still be offering him in three or four years.  Stay with Rodgers and the next contract will still matter, walk away and the next contract will suffer. 

 

Of course that assumes no massive injuries.  It is also so much easier for me to sit and talk about someone else's money.

If the report is true that GB is offering 5 years that could be the issue for Cobb/Sexton. On a 5 year deal Cobb will be nearing 30 when looking for his next contract. At 28 (off a 4 year deal) he would have a better negotiating position for the 3rd contract.

 

 

Just posted by vet NFL reporter:

@CharlesRobinson: League source says #Packers balked at paying Randall Cobb contract averaging $10-mil per season. He'll hit free agency. #Raiders will pay.

He's gone

No he's not... yet

This is so exciting.  Think about the loser franchises in this league.  This is their playoffs.  The start of the season is where they usually get bumped out of the playoffs.  Some even before.

 

Reminds me if high school wondering who was taking or going to prom.  Or in Iowa who was able to catch someone/something to go to homecoming....  

 

So he'll go to the Raiders for more money, put up sub-par numbers with a vastly inferior QB and then be cut after 2-3 years for not living up to his contract. Oh, and forget about getting any major endorsement deals while playing for the Oakland Raiders, just ask Greg Jennings how many Old Spice commercials he's appeared in since he went to Minnesota.