Packers Name Jeff Hafley New Defensive Coordinator for 2024

I don't know about the MIN/DET game but it can also depend on the officiating crew you're dealt.  Some of them, especially in big games will let a lot of DB contact go while others throw a lot more flags. 

@DH13 posted:

I don't know about the MIN/DET game but it can also depend on the officiating crew you're dealt.  Some of them, especially in big games will let a lot of DB contact go while others throw a lot more flags.

I understand the realism behind this, but I would not even bother telling my team about the refs. Once you start thinking about who a ref is and how to play your guy according to how it might be reffed, you've lost. For example, I think Campbell just has his guys play tough and physical and dares the refs to call something against them. And if the refs do call whatever, his guys don't let it bother them; they just go back and play the same way. Of course, they're smart enough to realize that there's a line where it will be called by a ref, but they go right up to that line again and again and dare a ref to call it.

And nonetheless the games are affected by those refs.  We've seen plenty of games in the last 5 years, usually in the playoffs, where refs aren't calling illegal contact or PI in situations where we've seen it called all year.  We've seen defenses do that against our receivers going back to 2011 vs KC.  The issue is amplified when you're going against an elite WR group like MIN's where if you can't get physical with them, they're going to get separation and catch the ball.

But that wasn't the only reason DET beat MIN.  BJ also schemed over around and through Flores, putting more pressure on MIN to throw, making it easier to rush Darnold.  Which also stifled their passing game.

Here are the ref assignments for the Wild Card game.  Don't remember what kind of game Allen calls. And I know they use the best graded refs for the playoffs but it seems strange to have only 2 refs that has worked with Allen for the season.

No architects, marine biologists or importer/exporters.   Very suspicious

Cool to see their backgrounds. 

@DH13 posted:

Cool to see their backgrounds.

Rather see the deposits in their Swiss bank accounts

@Pikes Peak posted:

Rather see the deposits in their Swiss bank accounts

You'll have to wait until after the game sir

Can't wait that long.  Needs to know if his checks cleared.

@Boris posted:

You'll have to wait until after the game sir

Half now, half on delivery should be the standard.

@Iowacheese posted:

...Very suspicious

Speaking of, a retired LEO, a judge, a banker, pharmaceutical sales... hmmm.

No tire salesman either

They probably do not even treat squirrels with the dignity, they deserve

@Timmy! posted:

Speaking of, a retired LEO, a judge, a banker, pharmaceutical sales... hmmm.

....walk into a bar? Don't leave me hanging.

Presser today Hafley addressing the Bears last pass play ; "there was miscommunication, it's not the call we were supposed to be in.... I'm not going to rehash it all and sorry that I can't" ...not quite sure what to make of that.

What you can make of that is he is too good of a coach and a man to throw his players under the bus.  He knew exactly what he was saying.

Two guesses why Hafley wasn't happy given what happened before that play: X changed what the coverage should have been, or Hafley talked to an assistant on the sideline during the TO who did not relay the correct call.

Reasoning: it looked like when they first saw the three-receiver stack they weren't sure what to do and how to cover. X was hurridly yelling and motioning to the safeties and DBs about where to be. GB called TO to get the D set (not a bad move considering they were all over the place and panicked). When they returned, Chicago still had the three-receiver stack and GB looked to be in the same formation (wrong call), albeit better positioned. So, coming out of the TO, they were properly set, but apparently not in the correct formation. Given that, I would say that whoever was supposed to make the call -- assistant talking to the players or X given what he saw on the field -- blew it. Hafley isn't the type to toss guys under the bus -- none of the GB staff is, really -- so he had to be plenty hot about it.

Who cares.....that loss vs. the Bears is 100% on MLF. If he runs the clock down or lets Bears use their final timeout, they never get in position to win it. PERIOD!

THE NFL is geared towards offense. Defense is at a huge disadvantage all game long. 100% on MLF 100%

@Boris posted:

Who cares.....that loss vs. the Bears is 100% on MLF. If he runs the clock down or lets Bears use their final timeout, they never get in position to win it. PERIOD!

THE NFL is geared towards offense. Defense is at a huge disadvantage all game long. 100% on MLF 100%

I don't necessarily disagree, but once you're put in that position you better be ready to take care of it. Each part of a team has to make up for the others' mistakes. ST gives up a stupid TD, the O has to score to stay even; the O fails to score to put a game away, the D better come up with a stop; the D fails to stop, the O needs to match or move ahead. If one phase fails, the others have to cover.

Seems like a lot of games come down to the last minute or less.  Therefore no matter what happened in the prior 59 minutes the squad that is on the field at that time  either needs to score or stop the other team from scoring. And the coaches need to be on the same page with clock, time outs and personnel management.

@DH13 posted:

Hand on the ground vs standing up.  The reads and angles are different because their roles slightly differ in who/what they are responsible for.  OLB have more space to deal with when attacking the blocker.  The DE is usually at contact right out of his stance.  Google will be more helpful than me.

But regardless of the reason, it happens that guys don't translate from one to the other.  I don't think it's as big an issue today as it used to be because so many defenses now use concepts from both schemes.  I'm harping on it more out of giving our guys the benefit of the doubt because Gary was wrecking offenses before the injury and before Hafley.

While true, LVN and Gary are actually pretty shitty fits for a 3-4 and more suited for a 4-3.

@Boris posted:

Who cares.....that loss vs. the Bears is 100% on MLF. If he runs the clock down or lets Bears use their final timeout, they never get in position to win it. PERIOD!

THE NFL is geared towards offense. Defense is at a huge disadvantage all game long. 100% on MLF 100%

could be MLF was thinking if the kicker missed the field goal (we were all thinking it) then he would still have time to stop them for one last hail mary chance.

@Floridarob posted:

could be MLF was thinking if the kicker missed the field goal (we were all thinking it) then he would still have time to stop them for one last hail mary chance.

Except with under a minute left you need to have all three timeouts left for it make a difference. If you assume each running play will take at least 5 seconds off the clock and you have two timeouts,  and then they can run 40 seconds off after the third, you would end up with 3 seconds left.

They got two plays off in the first 44 seconds. He was operating under the assumption they'd pick up at least one first down and be able to try a FG from about the 25 or 30.

This was the sequence:

FIELD GOAL4 PLAYS, 6 YARDS, 0:55

CHI21

GB22

First season under Jeff Hafley was a big success.

PPG: Packers improved from 10th to 6th
YPP: Packers improved from 20th to 5th
DVOA: Packers improved from 27th to 7th
EPA/play: Packers improved from 24th to 4th
YPG: Packers improved from 17th to 5th

— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) January 13, 2025

Hats off to Hafley. Looking like a really good hire!! Give him a few more pieces (Pass Rusher and CB's) and we should be rolling!

@Herschel posted:

While true, LVN and Gary are actually pretty shitty fits for a 3-4 and more suited for a 4-3.

Gary's performance says otherwise.  While he was playing more of that role in college, he reshaped himself and pre-injury was approaching an all pro level.  he may have peaked vs SF in AR's last playoff game in GB.  I don't know if it's the scheme, his post-injury knee or being maxed out as a player.  But he was definitely better in the 3-4 than he has been this year.

LVN looks more like a DE, probably elephant.  But he looks like the D equivalent of Watson his first couple years.  An elite athlete trying to play a very specialized professional sport without the required skills. 

wilde made it sound like he was already gone to jacksonville...what a tool.  "he's already gone so we make saleh the dc" - i remember why i don't typically listen to that garbage.  can find zero mention of anything factual...

Hafley  was a breath of fresh air.  

Hopefully no interviews  

interested to see what they can do in year 2

Beta head coach will find a way to ruin it I’m sure

Saleh's had HC interviews too.  I can only assume you are referring to Hafley.

The tape never lies

People’s “opinions” do pic.twitter.com/m4mFgcaoos

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) January 13, 2025

I said in the post game last night that game was there for the taking.  But wow, even more than I thought.  How Hafley, without much of a pass rush, was able to do that AND limit Barkley until garbage time was some wizardry.

If you looked at the box score you would have thought GB won that game...until you got to the turnovers lines.

Play a flawless game and GB wins by 2 TDs. They aren't there right now to overcome the dick stompin. PHI made mistakes but they overcame them.

@Iowacheese posted:

Hafley  was a breath of fresh air.  

Hopefully no interviews  

interested to see what they can do in year 2

Beta head coach will find a way to ruin it I’m sure

Can't see a guy with 1 year NFL experience getting an interview.

I thought Hafley was pretty good, not great.   I wish he was more aggressive, like Glen, when talent was over matched.

Talent being the key issue here.   He’s got dog shit on the front 7 except Cooper.   He’s got dog shit at CB when 23 isn’t playing. Still, he produced a decent year statistically.  

Top 5 in a number of different categories is only "decent"....especially with your portrayal of our talent on that side of the ball?

I personally I am happy they hired him at DC.  For the first time in a LONG time I actually feel great about where the defense is headed.  Hafley has them in a good spot in spite of the limitations he has in personnel right now. 

I think getting him better personnel and look out for what he can do and I am very excited about the future.

It was nice to see everyone on the all-22 knowing where to go and who to cover without hesitation. While the DL didn't get home, it did keep Hurts in the pocket and worked it. Hurts had a lot of time (the unfortunate part), but nowhere to go easily. Hafley's D looks like a zone, but then guys start picking up the WRs pretty quickly.

Hafley has done a good job and I'd give him even more credit if he found a way to add some pressure on the QB.

I find this a little surprising, but

Jets request interview of DC Hafley for their HC opening .

@PackLandVA posted:

I find this a little surprising, but

Jets request interview of DC Hafley for their HC opening .

Jets interviewing every live body on the planet trying to find someone who wants the job.