Packers Official Training Camp Thread News/Notes (Worthy traded to NE)

Problem is Capers hasn't appeared to start to adapt until just recently, like this year.

 

I would add this adaptation plays well into drafting Daniels "football players" vs. measurables.  

I think that's right Henry and we saw snippets of that when MM talked about the

" hard conversations"  he had with Dom after the year-end reviews were complete

 

 

No, what I am suggesting is that the people who know and understand the inherent risk in drafting DL accept that sometimes, even many times, they will be wrong.

 

Fans on the other hand willfully ignore the inherent challenges and failures in the projection business and instead need to blame it on the GMs who make the picks.

 

That's just silly imo, others feel differently

Does this same theory apply to other positions, in particular Mr. Sherrod?

I'm not sure, but I believe that OTs that are drafted high have a vastly better rate of success than the DL guys. National Football Post had an article awhile back talking about the hit rate in the draft by position and I think OT was one of the better ones

 

 

 

Fair enough.  I'm just trying to sift through all the line information presented here.  So far, I have it summarized as follows:

 

For the DL, it's nobody's fault if he sucks because drafting them is hard.  

 

For the OL, it's a bit more complicated because the coach is a dip**** cog and the poor results are his fault.... unless of course the player pans out.  In that case, it was a great selection by TT and the player overcame his coaching. Large brain, etc... 

 

 

 

Keep on coggin' Cog King.

 

Big Ern is thinking of you.

Good bubble, Large Brain........

I'm just summarizing your takes of offensive line play in the NFL my man...  You know, trying to dumb it down for the rest of us who aren't as fortunate to have your extensive background in offensive line play.  

 

If you wouldn't mind sir, could you tell us a bit about your past with offensive lines?

Only true for women.

Game on.  

 

You do realize that the collection of data, analysis and application is a talent most cogs don't possess correct?

I'm just looking for your specific background in offensive lines sir.  

That the dude whose leg snapped like a twig?

 

You should focus on results in this context.  How's that been working for you?

No need to get nasty.  Nobody is questioning your ability to think, collect data, etc.  You talk about offensive lines like you're a subject matter expert.  You might be.  

 

Again sir, what is your background in offensive lines?

I'm more amused at the titanic amount of boo boo you have over a failed take about EDS.  

Quit crying and keep coggin'.

Although his "hybrid" 34 hasn't looked like the 34 that Baltimore and NE have been using, I think he has used more 4 man fronts during his time in GB than he has 5 man fronts. It's been more of a hybrid 34/Nickel D than it has true 34. I think that has been the conflict TT/Capers have had over the last few years...do we draft prototypical players for the Base 34 and teach them to play in the Nickel or do we draft players for the Nickel D and teach them how to function in the Base 34. From what I've seen it seems like they've gone with the latter approach. Guys like Daniels, Worthy, and Neal were all described pre-draft as being better fits a 1 or 3-tech in a 43 being compared to guys like Kevin Williams and Cullen Jenkins. 

 

" I dunna think she can take much more cap'n, the butthurt is blowing right through the Warp Drive !

 

I'm trying to discern how that factors into how wrong you were about EDS?  My line experience will never change your red hot glowing butthurt over Big Ern.

That doesn't answer the question.  

EDS was, and is, a serviceable starter in the NFL.  Looking back at past posts is a fine art at X4.  Go back and find where I said anything other than that.  

 

But that really isn't the point.  The point, which you continue to side step, is your background in offensive line play.  Care to enlighten me?

You wish in one hand and **** in the other and see where that gets you cogzilla.  We all know the real motive behind it.  I'm more amused you think you're entitled to an answer.

 

 

 

I expected nothing less than this sort of response from you.  You refuse to answer the question because the reality is you don't know **** about offensive lines, especially at the NFL level.  You know it and I know it... all the huffing and puffing in the world won't change that.  The man you loathe in GB has forgotten more about offensive lines than you'll ever know.  

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Again sir, what is your background in offensive lines?

Henry seems to be doing an excellent job of offending you, Pakrz.

 

Green Bay Packers coach Mike McCarthy spoke to the media on Thursday. Here are some highlights from his news conference:

 

On wide receiver Jordy Nelson's availability after a hamstring strain:

Jordy is on course to practice (Friday). Once we get through practice, we'll determine the final play time expectations for our guys.

 

On timing betweem Nelson and quarterback Aaron Rodgers:

You want everybody to play. It's not just two guys. You want everybody out there. It's not just two guys. We talked about some potential rotations today we'll work in practice tomorrow.

 

On second-year center JC Tretter:

I think JC is off to a great start. I think the Tennessee game was definitely impressive. You want to see him stack success.

 

On the test of playing in the rain:

I know in early years I preferred to play all four games on grass, but I've learned it's good to go down and play St. Louis (inside, on turf).

 

On linebacker/defensive end Mike Neal:

We're focused on some different things as far as what his job responsibility is now. Him trimming down has helped me with that, being better in space. He's still very explosive. Mike is still strong enough to go inside and play a 3-technique. It's about finding that balance.

 

On the wide receiver position:

When you get down to the 53. The goal is for every play to be a four-down player. It's something that weighs into it. That's why we have these preseason games.

 

On whether fourth-string rookie quarterback Chase Rettig will play:

I think this game is traditionally, we'll see how it goes. We'll see how the pace of the game goes. May have a chance to get in the fourth quarter.

 

On the defensive line:

Our young guys have done a lot of good things. Really, in this particular game when we get past the first group it's important for them to establish a rotation. This will be a big week for those guys.

 

On being tough but being smart, too:

When we first went out there in 2006, it's important to have an identity. Our approach was to be smart, tough and fundamentally sound. We were a highly penalized team my first few years here, so we changed it to disciplined, smart, tough and fundamentally sound.

 

On trading defensive end Jerel Worthy to the New England Patriots:

Like any of your players, you want to thank him. Injury situations are tough. I think sometimes decisions like that have to be made. That's really my view of what happened to him. You look at a lot of careers in the NFL, opportunities start when people get injured.

 

On whether running back Rajion Neal or linebacker Joe Thomas, both with knee injuries, will play Saturday:

I don't think so. I think Thomas is closer. Probably next week.

 

On who won't travel to St. Louis:

Neal, Thomas, (tight end) Colt Lyerla, (tackle/guard) Don Barclay and (wide receiver) Jared Abbrederis. (Defensive tackle) Letroy Guion will travel, but won't play. We'll see how next week goes.

Honestly, you probably know as much as Henry does,  so you can't really say much...just saying dude

Um, that's the point.  

I don't know squat about evaluating OL at the NFL level, but I do know how to find some people who do. And thank goodness they are willing to share their insight & experience with the fans who are willing to make the effort.

I try to learn from them and then I share some of their insight here.

I've never claimed any expertise myself; in fact I've gone out of my way to state that I have none.

 

Take it for what its worth and if you have a different opinion, state it, back it up or move on.

Fair enough ?

 

Is that how you first-responders treat butthurt, on your knees with open palms ?

What is it with you and professions?

I don't understand the question

You know, "gray", "shoot from the hip", "first responder"...  Kind of a weird trend, no?

Still not getting it, but if you like you can send me a pm so we stop polluting this fine board with our crapola.

 

 

We are all in sales and politics to some extent.

I bought one myself as a young man.

 

Just the ring for the "Jugs machine"  set me back well over 2k.

 

Prolly be six figures to get out of it...I mean um.. sell the machine.

 

But I have to admit the vacuum attachment on mine still works extremely well...so I think I'll just keep it, and maybe tune her up as needed.

 

Rebuilt Jugs aren't nearly as expensive as they used to be...and way, way cheaper than buying new.  

 

I really like Pete Dougherty, A friend of x4