Somebody needs to tell Bulaga that Christmas is in December.
I disagree, I see a really good starter in Perry, who is an above average run defender and is coming off a good season rushing the passer, and Clay who is healthy and is an elite edge rusher. Elliot behind him who is an average run defender, but a good pass rusher and hasn't yet gotten significant PT. Fackrell had a strong rookie season and looks like a good backup, especially if he's coming on stronger. Again, that's 4 deep in quality players. Not 4 deep in starters, but quality depth. More depth would be better, Barwin would have been a good get, but we will be fine without him.
Orlando Wolf posted:
Goldie got access to OTA's? Sweet!
Rodgers has these customized beauties delivered for his OL. Here is Bulaga's. Linsley's in the background. Aaron watching over the delivery.
FLPACKER posted:Early reports also have Frackrell & Monty as much thicker in upper body
In addition to the above and Clark, Janis! is supposed to be looking thicker too!
New play for Janis! "The Power, End Around, Sweep"!
Hope it's a power end around sweep the **** out of town.
Re: Fackrell/Biegel/Jones/Adams/Guion/Schum/Ron Guiidry
My suggestion is to "just sit back and enjoy the ride."
Rusty posted:Re: Fackrell/Biegel/Jones/Adams/Guion/Schum/Ron Guiidry
My suggestion is to "just sit back and enjoy the ride."
Are you providing the Bud Light on ice? Otherwise GTFO.
Janis and his believers in 5 years....
I'm with you, GD. The second and third largest contracts on the team are the top two OLBs. Each of the past two drafts, the team spent a top 100 pick on the position. We can debate who’s worth what or how reliable they’ll be, but the team has invested as many resources there as any spot on the team.
Got a feeling this is going to be one of Thompson's best draft classes. Can't wait to see how this rookie class shakes out. Sounds like Gutekunst was pimping McCarthy on Jones pre-draft and got McCarthy pretty revved up about the safeties play at NC State. If Adams plays with intensity the guy could be something special, he has rare talent. This class is loaded...including the UDFA they signed
On a similar note Tony Pauline rated this draft as an A+. He said (paraphrasing) that the "Packers did in one draft with other teams take three drafts to accomplish." Booyah
I'm interested in the gaggle of scrub backs and who shakes out.
Yes. They all bring different things to the table too. They'll get lots of reps in preseason. Should be fun to watch the roster players emerge.
I wish Ted would have drafted a Olineman with one of the picks that went to a RB.
I reserve the right to decide which runningback should have been an olineman by next year.
Orlando Wolf posted:
OK. Now I've finally given you everything you asked for. Blink twice if you agree. Or blink once. Don't blink at all if you agree. Good. Now we understand each other.
Henry posted:I'm interested in the gaggle of scrub backs and who shakes out.
I'm curious to see what this Aaron Jones offers. Williams and Mays, we know what they bring to the table as far as power and north/south ability, but Jones offers some flexibility. He had a strong combine and showed that he's very explosive and really quick, but isn't necessarily a power runner. Sounds similar to Monty, I'm curious to see how blocks and if he has a future as a 3rd down back.
Ty the WR in 2015
Ty the RB in 2017
Ty Montgomery is seriously jacked. pic.twitter.com/2s2Gn1ZFz1
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) May 23, 2017
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:I'm interested in the gaggle of scrub backs and who shakes out.
I'm curious to see what this Aaron Jones offers. Sounds similar to Monty, I'm curious to see how blocks and if he has a future as a 3rd down back.
He is a very good receiver out of the backfield. Not sure how his frame will hold up in the pro's.
YATittle posted:
Then again this doesn't inspire a ton of confidence in his opinion:
(Brandon) Jackson was criminally underappreciated during his four years in Green Bay,
He was a good blocker and a good receiver out of the backfield, wasn't much as a runner although there weren't a lot of strong run blockers up front for GB during his tenure. Clifton, Tauscher, Colledge, Wells, Spitz, Moll, Coston were all guys who started at various times and not one of them I would call strong run blockers. He had Bulaga and Sitton in 2010 and had 1000+ total yards from scrimmage (700 rushing yards). Criminally underappreciated is probably too far, but he was a fine complementary RB in a rotation.
DH13 posted:YATittle posted:Then again this doesn't inspire a ton of confidence in his opinion:
(Brandon) Jackson was criminally underappreciated during his four years in Green Bay,
Ol' Loaf o' Bread
Brandon Jackson scored the winning TD against the Eagles in the 2010 Wild Card game in Philly. Brandon Jackson caught a screen pass in the NFC Championship game in Chicago and put a move on Urlacher that tore Brian's groin in three places and put him on the Soldier Field turf for a huge first down. Drive led to a TD.
Brandon Jackson did just fine in his time in GB. Even if he didn't do much.
Did just fine? Yea.
criminally underappreciated? Nay.
I think it has to be very tough for a college player in his draft year. They start with their college preseason workouts, then the college regular season, then the bowl games, then the workouts for the combine, then the combine, then the pro day workouts, then the draft, then the post draft rookie mini camp, then the OTAs, then the mandatory mini camp, then the there is a small break before training camp, then when training camp occurs they have been doing something for football for a year. They still have 4 preseason games, and a 16 game season to endure. Assuming they survive all that without getting a significant injury, they now have some time to rest, and get their body in shape for what is really their first NFL season where they get to make adjustments and prepare to play NFL football having a better idea of what to anticipate. That is why I think at some point in the regular season a rookie might experience the "wall". Most attribute the wall to the length of the previous college season to that of the first NFL season. I think it is because they run out of gas at some point during that first year due to continuous football engagements. And that is why I also think there should be a jump in performance if there is going to be one between years 1 & 2.
Outstanding post.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:I'm interested in the gaggle of scrub backs and who shakes out.
I'm curious to see what this Aaron Jones offers. Williams and Mays, we know what they bring to the table as far as power and north/south ability, but Jones offers some flexibility. He had a strong combine and showed that he's very explosive and really quick, but isn't necessarily a power runner. Sounds similar to Monty, I'm curious to see how blocks and if he has a future as a 3rd down back.
If I told you that in 2 years one of the following (Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays) would emerge as a starting RB who would you put your money on?
I think Ty ate a couple steaks in the off season.
Yow!
I thought that was MR. Yow?
WolfPack posted:If I told you that in 2 years one of the following (Jamaal Williams, Aaron Jones, Devante Mays) would emerge as a starting RB who would you put your money on?
By starting RB do you mean 1,000 yard rusher or merely just the starter? Pre-draft I didn't think any of the 3 was capable of being a 1,000 yard rusher and I still don't. They're all niche players IMO, change of pace backs who could all complement a good quality starter. Based on what we saw of Monty this past season I think he can be a legit 1,000 yard rusher. Which of the 3 rookies could step in as a starter if needed and be consistent? I would say Jamaal Williams because his running style can be successful in the NFL, but I would say Aaron Jones could be a surprise.
Are we looking at Jones as a "Sproley" option here? I haven't seen Jamaal Williams play at all but he doesn't seem to have the size to be a hammering RB in the NFL. Taysom Hill is bigger than Williams.
Obviously 2 of the 3 are on the squad and possibly all 3 depending on how they balance the roster.
The biggest thing I'll be looking at is how much has Ty's blocking improved. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they started using him at TE (If his blocking has picked up) and WR again considering his beefcakiness and ability to keep defenses off balance. If Williams really can become a #1 RB you now have a really big ass utility player for multiple spots.
I personally think it's going to be a lot of RB by committee, which is just fine.
I think Ty can be the ultimate X factor this season. We saw some of it last year as he was working into the RB group. I don't think TV crews pointed it out enough during games but moving him around really helped loosen up some D's. Now that he has had a full offseason to prepare and MM has had a full offseason to integrate him into the playbook, I suspect we're going to see 88 disrupting the F out of defenses in 2017.
I wouldn't call Williams a "hammering" back, but he's a north/south runner. He's 215, similar size to James Starks and Ryan Grant. He's not as fast as Grant, but all 3 have the same kind of physical running style. Not a lot of dancing, just hard running through arm tackles.
Williams did remind me of Starks but not in the herky jerky way Starks ran. But I agree he's more force than finesse.
I would think it's safe to assume Mays will likely be a PS candidate. Reading his bio I would think his contributions would be on 3rd/goalline situations and apparently his vision isn't the best right now. Plus, I don't think he would outplay Whitey Lunchpail at this point.
Depending on how the OLine holds up, Ty is bound for a 1,000 yard rushing season IMO. Even with Lacy and Ryan Grant in their primes, McCarthy has only averaged running the ball 15-20 times per game, so even if Ty only gets 15 carries per game he's easily capable of getting 4 ypc. He had 5 runs of 20+, which was tied for 17th in the NFL, but he did that on only 77 carries...that puts his % of carries over 20 yards at 6.5% which is 3rd in the league. For reference, Zeke Elliot's % of carries over 20 yards was 4.3%.