DH13 posted:Yes there are much more important things to discuss on a packers forum the week after the draft.
Like where in the world is iowacheez?
Which further begs the question: If they make cheese from cows milk and cheese from goats milk, why don't they make cheese from pigs milk?
PackFoo posted:Henry posted:DH13 posted:Yes there are much more important things to discuss on a packers forum the week after the draft.
Like where in the world is iowacheez?
He's working on his chakra.
Chakra Khan?
Tell me somethin' good, Rufus.
I don't think Dick Rodgers spot on the roster is a lock.
Oooooooooooh.
I think it is because they don't really have any youth in the pipeline at TE. And he seems like one of those underwhelming roster stickers TT/MM seems to protect.
His Plodness did make some big catches over the years. He does appear to have good hands and was liked by #12. My guess is he sticks.
Dick Rodgers and Jared Cook had the same 2016 regular season. Dick Rod did have one more TD than Cook. Same number of receptions. Within 100 yards of each other. Zero blocks between them. Dick Rod did have 276 more snaps though. Everyone remembers Cooks catch that ended Dallas' season. The counter argument would be:
I personally think that after the dust settled from the 2016 season Ted and company looked at Cook and thought, "It's ok. But we can do better than 30 receptions for 370 yards and a TD in 328 snaps" which is pretty reasonable thinking. So they did. I think Dick Rod is safe for the last year of his rookie deal. But it may be his last in GB. Especially with Fumagalli sliding all the way to the 2018 draft.
Fumagali is so good he can catch the ball with 4 fingers.
haters
4 Fingers Fumagali
Not hate, perspective.
bvan posted:*
This is, well, just so 70's... 
Kaaaaaahhhnnnnn!
ChilliJon posted:Dick Rodgers and Jared Cook had the same 2016 regular season. Dick Rod did have one more TD than Cook. Same number of receptions. Within 100 yards of each other. Zero blocks between them. Dick Rod did have 276 more snaps though. Everyone remembers Cooks catch that ended Dallas' season. The counter argument would be:
I personally think that after the dust settled from the 2016 season Ted and company looked at Cook and thought, "It's ok. But we can do better than 30 receptions for 370 yards and a TD in 328 snaps" which is pretty reasonable thinking. So they did. I think Dick Rod is safe for the last year of his rookie deal. But it may be his last in GB. Especially with Fumagalli sliding all the way to the 2018 draft.
The one point that you didn't discuss is that RichRod averaged 9.0 yards per reception while Cook averaged 12.6 yards per reception. The problem with RichRod isn't that he couldn't catch the ball, it was that he had trouble running fast enough to get open (that 34 yard TD catch in the playoffs was an outlier - it looked like a different guy running the pattern). He also may go down easier than any 260 receiver I've ever seen.
RichRod is a terrible fit as a #1 TE you are expecting to occupy ILBs and Safeties down the seam. He's fine as a #3 TE to play on special teams and be available as a fill in on offense. I didn't realize how his contract was structured until I just looked now, but if Sportrac is correct, his cap number is 1.8 million this year and if they cut him the dead cap money is 126K. If that is correct, I can't see them keeping him if Bennett and Kendricks make it through camp healthy. I think Boris is right.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/gre...chard-rodgers-14509/
No one has ever confused Dick Rodgers as a #1 TE. At best he's a decent handed chain mover that's averaged 4TDs his first three years. He's served that depth role pretty well.
Ted wanted more athleticism at TE so he got Cook. And that looked pretty good. But maybe not as good expected. So upgraded again.
I think Dick Rod is safe. He's been a solid contributor on ST. I think it comes down to either Janis or Dick Rodgers. And I think Janis is history.
Janis' 15 minutes didn't last 15 minutes.
Keep in mind Ted has never carried less than three TEs on the 53. He's carried four TEs four times. So it might not be Dick Rodgers. But there will be at least one more TE on the roster on day one along side Bennett and Kendricks.
The one aspect of the increased athleticism at TE that isn't in the stats is how the threat gets other guys open. Rodgers never did that, which stagnated the offense by clogging lanes or not forcing matchup changes.
I think, if all healthy, Ted would be OK with the three tight ends. Prior, he required quantity to cover for quality.
I am confident we carry 6 WR
GrainBelt66 posted:bvan posted:*
This is, well, just so 70's...
The green ribbon is indicative of behavioral problems, so despite appearances, this horse may be undraftable.
Organization appears to like DickRod much better than many of the fans do. No reason to believe he won't be the #3 TE when the season starts. Do have Sandland on the PS that they apparently like so that's another possibility.
Don't we have a big WR/TE on the practice squad? A "Tweener" cut by 49ers.
Devon Cajuste (great white/black game name btw) 6'4" 235lb. He's no tweener. He's either making it at TE or he's making his next career move.
Packers will probably go to camp with 8 TEs on the roster. It's going to take a great camp and preseason to unseat Dick Rod. Sandland could be interesting to watch in camp.
Hungry5 posted:Janis' 15 minutes didn't last 15 minutes.
I wonder if there has ever been an NFL WR in history that put up numbers like this in a playoff game (the Arizona game after the 2015 season)
7 catches, 145 yards, and 2 TDs
that did less over their entire career? The rest of his career Janis has 15 catches for 188 yards and a TD in 40 games as an active player.
David Tyree comes to mind. But Tyree made one catch in a Super Bowl game and caught 54 passes for 650 yards in his career.
Janis was pretty much the only healthy body the Packers had standing for that game. And as crazy as the Hail Mary throw was by Rodgers (it was an insane throw) it was a great grab by Janis in traffic. That's 41 yards.
But. Rodgers throw to Janis for 61 yards might be the best throw Rodgers has ever made. Honestly it's getting tough to keep track of which one is the best. Al Michael's asks how in the world does Arizona let a guy get free on 4th and 20. I wouldnt say Janis ever got free. I think AZ didn't think Rodgers could squeeze a 60 yard pass into that window.
Watch how low this ball is while it travels 60 yards in the air.
That throw shouldn't be possible. Into that window. Rolling left. On 4th and 20.
Janis was huge that game. Rodgers was Rodgers.
Damn you Goodell!!!!!
Video blocked.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Janis was huge for two plays, but the majority of the yardage came on just those two plays. Take out the 102 yards on two plays and he's left with five catches for 43 yards. Pretty pedestrian. The TD hail mary was outstanding, and he can always hang his helmet on that one!
Barring injuries :
I like Geronimo, but I don't think his spot on the 53 is safe. The 5th and 6th guys are always going to be battling the new draft guys, but Geronimo's lack of speed puts a bullseye on him. If two players are close the coaches are always going to want speed.
Geronimo is a guy you love to have on your practice squad in case you need a WR because of injury. The lack of speed puts a serious limitation on his ceiling. It also makes them more likely to keep a player at another position and short the WR position. I'm pretty sure he has practice squad eligibility left. Chances are they try to get him back there.
I think If Geronimo is one of the top four it's a bad sign about the quality of the bottom of the position group. Ideally he's tough competition for Davis and Yancey but they beat him out. Geronimo can make plays but I'm not sure he can cause a defense problems. The other two guys have the potential to do that.
From what I've read Dupre seems like a guy that's destined for the practice squad. Very raw.
A bunch of folks here will underrate Janis on special teams again and he'll make the 53 again on that alone.
Janis got 21% of the offensive snaps last year. And did nothing with them. Davis got 8% of the offensive snaps last year. And did nothing to show he deserved more. Geronimo got 17% of the snaps and made the best use of his opportunity.
Those three players were close. And the coaches didn't choose speed. They went with production. Geronimo produced.
Geronimo is going to camp as the incumbent 4. Davis and Janis have to beat him. I think Janis needs to get the **** out of town. I think Davis has a chance but he's shown virtually nothing thus far. And don't forget Max McCaffrey.
ChilliJon posted:Devon Cajuste (great white/black game name btw) 6'4" 235lb. He's no tweener. He's either making it at TE or he's making his next career move.
Packers will probably go to camp with 8 TEs on the roster. It's going to take a great camp and preseason to unseat Dick Rod. Sandland could be interesting to watch in camp.
Devon Cajuste is not currently listed on the roster. None of the reported undrafted free agents or rookie tryout invitees are TEs. And currently there are only 4 TEs total listed on the roster. It doesn't look like they will take 8 to camp.
Agree. Janis had his shot as well as a few other players. Time for new blood on this team.
Late last year MM said Davis was ready to go. But he did not see the field. Both MM and Rodgers raved about Allison last year. Assuming that wasn't smoke, the locks look like this; Nelson, Adams, Allison, and Davis. Cobb, it is now known, has limitations and might be a trade candidate. Janis it could be argued has had his chance. Packers added Yancey (6-2), Dupre (6-2) - bigger guys with bigger wing spans to challenge for a roster spot along with McCaffrey. There are also 2 UDFAs the Packers have added. It could be they want to see if they can do better for the 5th and 6th WR spots.
Janis's offensive production is inconsequential. 3rd most snaps on the team for special teams. He's a Jarret Bush on the other side of the ball.
Geronimo's lack of speed doesn't concern me at all. I'll take a guy who knows how to get open and catches the ball over some guy who runs a 4.3 40 and doesn't have a clue where he's supposed to be on the field, how to get open, or can't catch a cold. I like football players on my team, not track stars. James Jones wasn't all that fast but he figured out how to get open and later learned how to catch darn near anything that came near him. Jones ran a 4.59 40 and Allison ran a 4.54 40. (Not referring to anyone in particular, but we see these, "fast" guys come and go continuously in this league.)
I don't recall the exact reason, but IIRC I believe Trevor Davis got into MM and or/Rodgers dog house for practice habits mid-season last year. Some rumors got going a bit that Davis wasn't giving his all in practice and Rodgers took notice.
That would also explain, in part, why he was a healthy scratch more then once last season. If I remember right, he also had some drops that didn't make AR happy,
ChilliJon posted:Janis got 21% of the offensive snaps last year. And did nothing with them. Davis got 8% of the offensive snaps last year. And did nothing to show he deserved more. Geronimo got 17% of the snaps and made the best use of his opportunity.
The thing that impressed me is that the majority of Geronimo's snaps came towards the end of the season during crunch time. We went on our streak and were fighting to get into the playoffs after the lousy start. Allison answered the bell and produced when his number was called. I'm not trying to say he's the second coming of Jordy but he really made progress last year for an UDFA Rookie.
I remember a great end-around by Janis! Also he just may stick around as a ST demon.
I think that receivers who can get open are Aarons favorite receivers. Some do it with speed others do it with quick's, wiggles and ankle breaking moves, still others do it with sharp route running. They all must be able to catch contested balls. When all that breaks down Aaron goes to the guy who can play in broken plays. He see what they do in practice and expects that during the game.
And then there is Jordy who can do all of the above. However, he may have lost a step.
We now have tight ends who open the middle of the field and that alone may free up others.
