Rodgers has improved as a blocker.
Rodgers has improved as a blocker. Witness how he helped Spriggs against Pitt (and was ticked at Cobb on the shovel). He isn't fast but he is improving and is steady. Rich Rod =/> AJ Hawk
I found this to be an interesting comment, considering what he did not say.
McCarthy on Jones and Williams: I think those two have a chance to be a great 1-2 punch. Don't forget about Devante Mays. He's been practicing great.
— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) December 4, 2017
Ty was a fill-in. A mule looks pretty darn good when the roster is depleted, but a couple of quality racehorses are better. Still, Ty as a slot-type guy like Cobb would be nice. Can he return kicks/punts?
Ty can be a much cheaper Cobb. That's where his value in 2018 will be.
Fandame posted:Ty was a fill-in. A mule looks pretty darn good when the roster is depleted, but a couple of quality racehorses are better. Still, Ty as a slot-type guy like Cobb would be nice. Can he return kicks/punts?
He can't do anything from the IR...if he could stay on the field he may become a Swiss Army knife type. IF.
Agreed, with Montgomery, I think at best you use him as a role player. He's got talent to be sure, but he's just another one of those guys that you really can't count on to be a starter as he's always got one thing or another that keeps him on the bench. I think this year showed he isn't someone you want as your starter at RB. Definitely has enough talent that you want him on your team, but he probably can only be trusted to play maybe 1/3 of the snaps to keep him healthy... and even at 1/3 of the snaps he still might find a way to get hurt.
packerboi posted:Ty can be a much cheaper Cobb. That's where his value in 2018 will be.
Except Ty can't stay on the field. They need a burner who can get open and catch the ball, stretch the opposing defense. Should be priority No. 1.
No argument regarding need for speed. With Jordy slowing down, yep they need an outside WR with speed who can run precise routes. Janis! and Davis brings you speed.
But apparently neither can run routes? I still don't get that. Like they can't find a go route or an out route that Davis/Janis! can't grasp?
He could run those routes in a playoff game in Arizona...
Would love to get this kid:
YATittle posted:He could run those routes in a playoff game in Arizona...
There may be no one in history with this type of ratio.
Janis has played 52 regular season and playoff games in his career.
In 51 of those games, he has 15 receptions for 188 yards and a TD.
In one playoff game, he had 7 catches for 145 yards, and 2 TDs.
Even better, in the last 55 seconds of the playoff game he had 2 catches for 101 yards. This included catching probably the best pass I've ever seen in a playoff game- Rodgers rolling to his left, throwing across his body about 50 yards in the air to the perfect spot for Janis to make a highlight reel catch by out jumping a potential Hall of Fame cornerback considered one of the best athletes in the league.
So in 3,119 minutes of game time he's had 233 yards and in the other minute he's had 101.
I know we've beaten this to death over the years, but how can they not find a way to use this guy for at least a few gadget plays a game? He's a good blocker and he's been in Green Bay for 4 years. It continues to boggle the mind.
MichiganPacker2 posted:I know we've beaten this to death over the years, but how can they not find a way to use this guy for at least a few gadget plays a game? He's a good blocker and he's been in Green Bay for 4 years. It continues to boggle the mind.
MaCadoo brought GB's offensive scheme to the Giants and many observers....wait for it....called his offense among the most boring, predictable, uninventive scheme they have seen.
Gee, where have we heard that before? Written in October about the then 0-4 Giants:
We spent all last season documenting the Giants' painfully predictable attack. Coach Ben McAdoo and players could brush off that harsh reality then because the defense carried the team to an 11-5 record.
But with the Giants 0-4 and ranked 30th in the NFL in scoring, Beckham shared a conversation he had with Buccaneers cornerback Vernon Hargreaves after Sunday's 25-23 loss.
"He was just like, 'You know, we know a lot of what you're doing,' " Beckham said.
That's a damning comment, but it's also not the first time an opponent has pointed out the Giants' predictability.
The Giants used 11 personnel (one running back, one tight end, three wide receivers) an NFL-high 92 percent of the time last season. They added tight ends Evan Engram and Rhett Ellison in the offseason and have been slightly more diverse through four games, running 11 personnel 77 percent of the time. That still blows away the league average of 59 percent.
Why do I just keep thinking another OC/HC could find ways to use Janis, Davis, Michael Clark, etc in so many different ways and get real results...
packerboi posted:MichiganPacker2 posted:I know we've beaten this to death over the years, but how can they not find a way to use this guy for at least a few gadget plays a game? He's a good blocker and he's been in Green Bay for 4 years. It continues to boggle the mind.
MaCadoo brought GB's offensive scheme to the Giants and many observers....wait for it....called his offense among the most boring, predictable, uninventive scheme they have seen.
Gee, where have we heard that before? Written in October about the then 0-4 Giants:
We spent all last season documenting the Giants' painfully predictable attack. Coach Ben McAdoo and players could brush off that harsh reality then because the defense carried the team to an 11-5 record.
But with the Giants 0-4 and ranked 30th in the NFL in scoring, Beckham shared a conversation he had with Buccaneers cornerback Vernon Hargreaves after Sunday's 25-23 loss.
"He was just like, 'You know, we know a lot of what you're doing,' " Beckham said.
That's a damning comment, but it's also not the first time an opponent has pointed out the Giants' predictability.
The Giants used 11 personnel (one running back, one tight end, three wide receivers) an NFL-high 92 percent of the time last season. They added tight ends Evan Engram and Rhett Ellison in the offseason and have been slightly more diverse through four games, running 11 personnel 77 percent of the time. That still blows away the league average of 59 percent.
Why do I just keep thinking another OC/HC could find ways to use Janis, Davis, Michael Clark, etc in so many different ways and get real results...
Like McVay has done with the Rams....
FLPACKER posted:Would love to get this kid:
Top 10 pick....
What would Paul Chryst do with offensive personnel like the Packers? The game he called against Ohio State in that loss was impressive. Well designed screens, FB jet sweeps, RB throw backs to QBs, getting guys open against a good secondary.
Other than the read option, was there a play that MM called Sunday that was creative or new?
225-309, 3175 yards, 33 TDs, 4 interceptions. NFL QB rating of 135.8. That's the one year Chryst had a great QB during his time as an offensive coordinator or a head coach. That was Russell Wilson's stat line at Madison.
The Green Bay Packers signed TE Robert Tonyan to the practice squad. The transaction was announced Tuesday by Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations.
Tonyan (TAHN-yun), a 6-foot-5, 237-pound rookie out of Indiana State, originally signed with the Detroit Lions as an undrafted free agent on May 12, but was released on Sept. 2. After switching from quarterback to wide receiver during the 2014 season, he went on to record 150 receptions for 2,047 yards (13.6 avg.) and 20 touchdowns. As a senior, Tonyan set a single-season school record with 10 TD receptions. He will wear No. 80 for the Packers.
The Green Bay Packers signed C Dillon Day off the practice squad of the Denver Broncos. The transaction was announced Wednesday by Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations.
Day, 6-foot-4, 296 pounds, is a first-year player out of Mississippi State who originally signed with the Denver Broncos as an undrafted free agent on May 2, 2015.
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GBFanForLife posted:The Green Bay Packers signed TE Robert Tonyan to the practice squad. The transaction was announced Tuesday by Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations.
Tonyan (TAHN-yun), a 6-foot-5, 237-pound rookie out of Indiana State, originally signed with the Detroit Lions as an undrafted free agent on May 12, but was released on Sept. 2. After switching from quarterback to wide receiver during the 2014 season....
ROTTT's wet dream...a player that has converted positions twice so far. Only jeenyus GMs sign OL that were TEs, CB that played S, RB that played WR, CB that played point guard in college, etc.
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mr21mr21 posted:GBFanForLife posted:The Green Bay Packers signed TE Robert Tonyan to the practice squad. The transaction was announced Tuesday by Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations.
Tonyan (TAHN-yun), a 6-foot-5, 237-pound rookie out of Indiana State, originally signed with the Detroit Lions as an undrafted free agent on May 12, but was released on Sept. 2. After switching from quarterback to wide receiver during the 2014 season....
ROTTT's wet dream...a player that has converted positions twice so far. Only jeenyus GMs sign OL that were TEs, CB that played S, RB that played WR, CB that played point guard in college, etc.
I think it is ok to have a few of those guys in your system but not a steady diet because most probably won't work out. The draft picks need to come with NFL size and tools and play a familiar position IMO. Shouldn't be messing with them.
I believe he switched during college. Kind of like a Wisconsin TE did several years ago
Ghost of Lambeau posted:mr21mr21 posted:GBFanForLife posted:The Green Bay Packers signed TE Robert Tonyan to the practice squad. The transaction was announced Tuesday by Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations.
Tonyan (TAHN-yun), a 6-foot-5, 237-pound rookie out of Indiana State, originally signed with the Detroit Lions as an undrafted free agent on May 12, but was released on Sept. 2. After switching from quarterback to wide receiver during the 2014 season....
ROTTT's wet dream...a player that has converted positions twice so far. Only jeenyus GMs sign OL that were TEs, CB that played S, RB that played WR, CB that played point guard in college, etc.
I think it is ok to have a few of those guys in your system but not a steady diet because most probably won't work out. The draft picks need to come with NFL size and tools and play a familiar position IMO. Shouldn't be messing with them.
These types of guys are fine at the bottom of your roster. In fact, they should be turning over the bottom of the roster seeing if they can identify some keepers. For every 100 of these guys, there might be another Sam Shields (college WR) or for every 500 there might be an Antonio Gates (college BB player).
The problem is when you have to rely on too many of these guys to play too early due to injury or other poor personnel choices. Then you end up with Montgomery having to be your main RB, Demetri Goodson having to take significant snaps at CB - instead of signing a veteran free agent to try to get you by.
They need more Ahmad Brooks and Jahri Evans types the next few years and fewer Goodson, Gunther, Allison, Michael Clark types.
The sad thing is that I'd actually be pretty content with LaDarius Gunter on the roster right now. Last week he would have easily been one of the two best Packer cornerbacks on the field and it could be the same story this week. And Gunter has been with the Panthers ever since week #2 and still hasn't gotten one defensive snap for them.
I'm not knocking MichiganPacker for the title of this thread because who knows what the future holds. But that part about being significantly improved at DB and TE...that sure isn't the way it turned out. Just horrible at those positions.
PackerJoe posted:The sad thing is that I'd actually be pretty content with LaDarius Gunter on the roster right now. Last week he would have easily been one of the two best Packer cornerbacks on the field and it could be the same story this week. And Gunter has been with the Panthers ever since week #2 and still hasn't gotten one defensive snap for them.
I'm not knocking MichiganPacker for the title of this thread because who knows what the future holds. But that part about being significantly improved at DB and TE...that sure isn't the way it turned out. Just horrible at those positions.
Good post.
I don't necessarily think they are horrible at DB. They get beat in zone coverage schemes over and over again.
The best comparison is how Fritz Shurmur's schemes worked. Fritz had the benefit of having the best DL in Packer history in the mid-90s, but his schemes were also very sound. Thinking back, I don't remember any guys running through the middle of the field wide open for easy throws in zone coverage. If guys got open on Fritz's defense, it was a good individual player beating his guy (think Alvin Harper toasting Terrell Buckley). At least in that situation, it still requires a decent throw from the QB to connect if the DB is at least within a couple of steps. In Dom's defense, the big plays are often to guys that are so wide open that any competent QB can make the throw.
Dom has tried to make his defense difficult to read by a QB. The problem is that it makes it difficult to play as well. Not only are they prone to dropping coverages, but the DBs have to think too much and instead of reacting, they freeze. I think that's what Dix's problem this year was.
For every big play that Dom's defense has made over the years by being complicated for the QB to read, it seems like they make 20 mistakes leading to big plays and the ratio has gotten worse. I can think one play that completely changed the course of a big game on defense that was because of an exotic scheme and that was BJ Raji's pick 6 in the NFC title game in Chicago.
Randall and King make the DB group anything but horrible. Not counting them, then yes.
Fritz, who I consider a very good coach, had Butler to police the middle.
Early on, Dom had Wood.
HaHa looked he was heading that way, but something changed. Could very well be he tired of Dom's schemes. Saw a comment the other day attributed to Shields after he was done playing, something to the effect they'd play Dom's schemes even if they didn't think it would work.