The measurables are all fine and good (better faster and higher amirite), but the measure of Cook will be picking up the Packer playbook and chemistry with #12. If he can coordinate all those tools with that, it will be pretty exciting.
heyward posted:The word trumpet is used perfectly in that sentence.
The new Fascists's want to control everything you think and say...right down to hallucinating ridiculous derivatives of words that they think should offend everyone...because they are so...ahem... tolerant.
DH13 posted:There have been a lot of comparisons to Finley. How is Cook not like Finley? Is there any noticeable difference in their measureables, combine numbers, or anything visible like athleticism?
Wild ass guess...Cook scores much better on the Hinckley/Clark
A-holedness scale.
Hungry5 posted:oldschool posted:cuqui posted:
After going through the scheme evaluation, it’s more fundamental and winning the one-on-ones...
Play your Janis's MM...play your Janis's
You miss that last sentence? Specifically the underlined and italics portion.
Speaking of Helen Keller...are you blind much?...or would you rather go on and on about something in your mind rather than what actually happened on the field ?
Cardinals vs. Green Bay Playoff Jan. 16, 2016
Green Bay Receiving | REC | YDS | AVG | TD | LONG | TGTS | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jeff Janis | 7 | 145 | 20.7 | 2 | 60 | 11 |
| Jared Abbrederis | 4 | 55 | 13.8 | 0 | 18 | 12 |
| Richard Rodgers | 5 | 45 | 9.0 | 0 | 15 | 8 |
| John Kuhn | 2 | 10 | 5.0 | 0 | 6 | 2 |
| James Starks | 4 | 4 | 1.0 | 0 | 6 | 4 |
| Eddie Lacy | 2 | 2 | 1.0 | 0 | 4 | 2 |
| TEAM | 24 | 261 | 10.9 | 2 | 60 | 39 |
I've said before that it's foolish to count on Janis for 2 hail Mary's (the bulk of his yards vs ARZ) per game from here on out, but he did have to fight to make those two catches vs ARZ. Shows some hope that he can make tough catches in traffic. Although if he can get his route tree down and fight off jams, he shouldn't need to.
“Man, last year was a rough year, man,” Cook said. “It was just the luck of the draw. It wasn’t anybody’s fault. It’s just things didn’t pan out the way the organization had planned, or the way that coach [Jeff] Fisher or the offensive coordinator had planned. That’s just how things went."
I appreciate he's not throwing anyone under the bus...approaching it like a true professional.
Cook is much better at the media game than Jermichael ever was. Certainly does appear that having a HOF QB throwing him the ball is what made his decision.
But will he make that hail Mary catch like Rich Rodgers?
I find it funny that a lot of the people who cite trust as an issue of why Abby / Jannis didn't see the field over Jones / Adams are all stoked for this 1st year Packer.
Speaking of Janis and SPARQ, I wonder how that how that guy fared in his draft class..
BrainDed posted:I find it funny that a lot of the people who cite trust as an issue of why Abby / Jannis didn't see the field over Jones / Adams are all stoked for this 1st year Packer.
But a veteran NFL player. It's a lot harder to transition from Saginaw Valley St. to a complex NFL offense than it is to transition from a complex NFL offense to another complex NFL offense.
I actually think this is the perfect time to draft a highly rated TE like Jerrell Adams or Austin Hooper. Having a veteran starter in place will allow them to sit and learn rather than be pressed in to service like Dick Rodgers was. If Adams is there in round 3 it would be hard to pass up, he has intriguing measurables and blocking skills.
Grave Digger posted:BrainDed posted:I find it funny that a lot of the people who cite trust as an issue of why Abby / Jannis didn't see the field over Jones / Adams are all stoked for this 1st year Packer.
But a veteran NFL player. It's a lot harder to transition from Saginaw Valley St. to a complex NFL offense than it is to transition from a complex NFL offense to another complex NFL offense.
He played for the Rams. That's as close to Saginaw Valley as you'll find in the NFL.
I was thinking the same thing GD. The signing gives Ted some breathing room, but that doesn't mean he passes on a TE if there is one there he likes. The position is depleted on this team, and there are injuries and the future to think about.
Speaking of breathing, I swear I can almost hear McCarthy and Rodgers breathing a little easier.
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I actually think this eliminates TE as a need from this draft. I think 2016 is a try out year for Cook and if he plays well, TT gives him a real contract. Remember, TT wanted him for 2 years but Cook negotiated for just 1. And for TT's aversion to paying outside free agents, he has no problem paying internal guys what they're worth (and more). So if Cook plays well in 2016, I could see TT giving him a 3 year $18m extension during the season. And from Cook's perspective, if he plays well with Rodgers, why would he leave? He's played 7 years with the worst QB's in football and made it a point to come here b/c of great QB play. If all goes well, hard to see him not wanting to stay. And he's only 28 so that puts him at 32 years old if extended 3 more years. And R Rodgers is a good #2 TE.
I think this signing frees them up in round 2 or 3. Without Cook, I think they really had to think hard about getting a TE early in this draft. Now they can look at BPA. Of course that could be a TE......but everything I've read has said this draft isn't great for the TE position.
Couldn't agree more DH13. Starting ILB, rotational DL to share snaps with Daniels and Guion, swing tackle to backup Bulaga and Bakhtiari, and a future starter at OLB are the only rookies that I can see getting meaningful snaps in 2016 (unless significant injuries hit......knock on wood).
Starting ILB still worries me though. I don't think TT will draft an LB in round 1. Even round 2 seems high, so my guess is he grabs one in round 3 or 4 meaning any rookie most likely won't be starting material in 2016 (like Ryan last year). I just don't think TT values ILB highly enough to draft one before round 3.
Brak posted:No longer cockless.
Those seem to be rather small hands...
I agree that it definitely makes TE less of an immediate need, but I don't think Ted is ever banking on re-signing players. We are back in the exact same boat next year if Cook overvalues himself or simply doesn't play well. Uncle Ted's not a guy that puts all his eggs in one basket. If there's a good value on a TE, he's not going to pass it up just because of Cook. If a guy like J. Adams or Hooper are available in r4 or r5, that kind of value is tough to pass on considering Cook's status and the lack of depth behind him.
Yeah round 4 or 5 makes total sense. I would never argue about the position of a draft pick after the 3rd round, as it's such a crap shoot late in the draft. But early on, I'd be surprised if TT took a TE (unless it was Henry at pick 60 as that'd be some serious value).
REC YDS AVG TD LONG TGTS Jeff Janis 7 145 20.7 2 60 11 Jared Abbrederis 4 55 13.8 0 18 12 Richard Rodgers 5 45 9.0 0 15 8 John Kuhn 2 10 5.0 0 6 2 James Starks 4 4 1.0 0 6 4 Eddie Lacy 2 2 1.0 0 4 2 TEAM 24 261 10.9 2 60 39
Why did we even throw to the WR when the RB were catching everything and I mean everything!!!
Ted will take a TE early if his guy is there. Signing Cook doesn't change his strategy one bit.
oldschool posted:Speaking of Helen Keller...are you blind much?...or would you rather go on and on about something in your mind rather than what actually happened on the field ?
Cardinals vs. Green Bay Playoff Jan. 16, 2016
REC YDS AVG TD LONG TGTS Jeff Janis 7 145 20.7 2 60 11
All Oneida!
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Tschmack posted:Ted will take a TE early if his guy is there. Signing Cook doesn't change his strategy one bit.
It's only a good prediction if you tell us "who" his guy is.
Yes DH13. I also recall Adams in 2014 vs the Patriots with his 11 targets, 6 recpts, for 121 yards and 0 TDs. Looked very promising, but he only showed again vs DAL in the playoffs, then who knows for 2015 with the injury.
Coaches want consistency in practice to get playing time in games.
All Oneida!
I get that. I think we're on the same page with Janis but Boykin's case seemed a bit of a stretch. He was consistent for most of a whole season. Who knows what happened in 2014.
Hungry5 posted:Coaches want consistency in practice to get playing time in games.
As a general rule , of course.
But a good coach with common sense and balls doesn't stick to rigid guidelines like a robot when his team has been decimated by injuries, and he is down to his last option.
Especially when the last option has something that you can't coach...speed.
Courage and imagination would have went a long way last season.
Not to be too pedantic, but 100 yards of that came on two passes including a miracle Hail Mary...that has more to do with catching ability, focus and luck not speed. So in reality his 5 rec. for 40 yard day is a good, but it wasn't some insane breakout game. He didn't do anything that would make me think McCarthy was wrong for letting him sit. It's not like he took a bubble screen 80 yards to the house or was getting insane separation all day. He contributed well when he was called on, that's still a big positive. It's a jumping off point for him to build on, not the breakout game that will cause him to leap up the depth chart.
I also think a lot of his time on the bench had to do with Rodgers. He doesn't throw to receivers he's not on the same page with or have trust in, if Janis wasn't on the field it's probably because Rodgers wasn't comfortable with him. He's still a young player, it's not like we are wasting the prime of Janis' career.
We're being beat up by the inventor of scrabble
Janis still didn't know the playbook last year was the problem. He'd come in the game and wouldn't know where to line up, something both Rodgers and McCarthy have little tolerance for.
Still, as desperate as things were, they should have worked through it.
Anyway last year is over and hopefully gone forever.
@PackersNotes: Ted should've waited until today to sign Jared Cook. He could've really messed with the heads of Packers fans. 4/1/16
He just messes with their heads the other 364 days of the year.
Exactly, Pistol. We know he was often out of place. ESPN mics caught Rodgers swearing at him after burning a TO. Coaches have said he struggled catching the ball over his shoulder.
But after Jordy and Ty went down, you had nothing to lose with the guy seeing the field. Wasn't 2015 Adams pretty close to any worst case scenario coaches might have dreamt of Janis?
good point, IL. I had noticed Adams (when they showed replays anyway) almost look like he was just "doggin'" a route. I'm assuming he was playing hurt, otherwise he would've been pulled.
That being said....how's this for a wild-a$$-hair rumor: TT trades Adams to the Rams (for freeing up Cook for him) and in return, we get another 2nd Round pick. Adams returns to California (warm weather) and TT will then pick another WR/TE in the draft.
The Packers know what they have with Adams, so trading him for a pick (unknown) would be a red-flag IMO if I'm the other half of that deal.