Packers Training Camp

So after 5 days of camp, this is my guess at our week 1 roster (barring injury):

Quarterbacks (2): Aaron Rodgers, Scott Tolzien, (PS: Brett Hundley) (cut: Matt Blanchard)

Running backs (5): Eddie Lacy, James Starks,  Rajion Neal, John Kuhn, Aaron Ripkowski (cut: John Crockett, Alonzo Harris)

Receivers (5): Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb, Davante Adams, Ty Montgomery, Jeff Janis (PS: Jimmie Hunt) (cut: Jared Abbrederis, Adrian Coxson, Javess Blue, Larry Pinkard, Ricky Collins, Myles White)

Tight ends (3): Andrew Quarless, Richard Rodgers, Justin Perillo (PS: Kennard Backman) (cut: Harold Spears, Mitchell Henry).

Offensive linemen (8): David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Corey Linsley, T.J. Lang, Josh Sitton, Don Barclay, JC Tretter, Josh Walker (PS: Matt Rotheram, Jeremy Vujnovich) (cut: Lane Taylor, Garth Gerhart, Andy Phillips, Vince Kowalski, Fabians Ebbele)

Defensive line (6): Mike Daniels, B.J. Raji, Josh Boyd, Christian Ringo, Mike Pennel,  Bruce Gaston (suspended: Datone Jones, Letroy Guion) (PS: Bruce Gaston (after Week 1)) (cut: Lavon Hooks, Khyri Thornton).

Linebackers (10): Clay Matthews, Sam Barrington,  Julius Peppers, Nick Perry, Mike Neal, Jake Ryan, Andy Mulumba, Jayrone Elliott, Nate Palmer,  Carl Bradford (PS: Adrian Hubbard) (cut: Joe Thomas, James Vaughters, Josh Francis, Tavarus Dantzler, Jermauria Rasco, Carl Bradford (after Week 3))

Cornerbacks (6): Sam Shields, Casey Hayward, Damarious Randall, Quinten Rollins,  Demetri Goodson, LaDarius Gunter (PS: Tay Glover-Wright) (cut: Kyle Sebetic).

Safeties (5): Morgan Burnett, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Micah Hyde, Sean Richardson, Chris Banjo (PS: Jean Fanor)

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Tim Masthay, Brett Goode (cut: Cody Mandell).

Awesome, GD! 

Get ready for the full monty!

 

Ringo looks like the kind of dude who can convert speed into power. I was really impressed with him yesterday.

Nice wrote up, GD.

Sebetic is a corner???? But but, he's white.

If they are putting Hundley on the PS he must be in a Brohm suck territory.

 

I thought he was a condition.

If TT is willing to risk attempting to put Hundley on the PS he's basically admitting he was a bad pick. They'll keep three QBs and don't see it happening.

Hundley isn't in Brohm territory, it's clear he's a project though. I don't think another team would steal him from the PS unless he does really well in preseason. He needs to improve his release and his accuracy first and foremost. He has all the physical tools though.

Great updates GD. Appreciate all the work.

Hundleys' always been viewed as developmental guy

NFL-ready QBs don't last until the 5th round 

MM will get him torn down and rebuilt

 

Thanks for the insight GD, glad you could make it to camp

 

 

with Crockett... can they say he's "injured" and IR him?  that would be my plan if he was showing anything before worth developing.

A lot depends on Hundley's attitude towards his long-term future. If he wants to develop under MM, Clements and through watching AR the kid will take being on the PS for a year over going somewhere else and rolling the dice. If I've learned anything from watching the NFL all these years it's that precious few franchises really know how to develop QBs. Hundley would be foolish to pass up this redshirt opportunity. And I believe that players can elect to stay on the PS even if they're approached by other teams to be signed to an active roster.

I think the opportunity to play rather than sit behind AR for years might be pretty high on his list. The bottom line is I don't see TT taking that chance unless he's willing to lose the player and the draft pick he cost the team. He's got an extensive history that says he won't take that risk.

 

 

Awesome write-ups, GD.  Thanks for keeping us updated, I for one really appreciate it.

Yup, you GD are the man on practice notes....always informative and so interesting..keep up the fantastic work.    and thanks. 

Thanks GD.

Next best thing to being there.

You should read his stuff on wrestling with Kate Upton.

I found it on the internet:

 

Originally posted by Gravedigger:

 

impressive breasts both in volume and overall perki-ness

Supple and full without a hint of pretentiousness

not too skinny and an epic bubble gives her a chance to succeed on both sides of the ball.

Displays impressive upside while being fundamentally sound

Close to reaching her potential without over-exposure

Should excel in any system, just a matter of giving her the time to develop additional moves

Perfect tan and youthful complexion gives her a chance to be an all- timer

 

 She also likes to go on cruises without her BF

Thanks for the eye witness reports GD. 

They are awesome.

And give "media" reports more detail. 

Appreciate the hard work GD!

 

And bacon... it's 'murica after all!

Maybe it was the Packers' attempt to enhance diversity.  I am still looking for my hockey player, damn it!

I read it continuously for the last hour. When does the season start?

Not just bacon Cavetoad, machine gun bacon!

 

And stop Bogarting KU GD, tag me in!

 

God I love 'Murica.

Hundley needs some QB coaching, that is for sure.  Watched him play for UCLA--he had no coaching (unless you count the Offensive Coordinators son who was his position coach, at age 27)

 

Here's an excerpt from a good article on "coaching them up" that discusses MM and Rodgers....

 

http://thesidelineview.com/col...mechanics-be-altered

 

McCarthy has run a "quarterback school" since 1993 that charts "quarterbacks in five footwork drills that rate agility and movement," and focuses on "hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, mechanics," according to Greg Bishop of The New York Times.

McCarthy’s quarterback school paid off in a big way for signal caller Aaron Rodgers, who came into the league with quirky mechanics taught by the University of California’s infamous (in NFL circles) head coach Jeff Tedfordand has since become arguably the league’s best quarterback.

Rodgers held the ball next to his ear when he was in a pre-pass triangle set at California. The mechanics appeared efficient at the time because he was able to get the ball out quickly in the Golden Bears short passing game, but he struggled throwing deep.

His throwing motion led to him throwing outside of his frame, which is not ideal and "stresses the shoulder" as quarterback guru George Whitfield Jr.says, and his footwork also suffered as he was not able to get proper timing nor transfer weight with any consistency. Rodgers explained this in an interview with ESPN last year:

"When I first got into the league, I held the ball really high. That was the standard in college, and it messed up my timing a bit -- the draw, bringing it back, then the release... You’re taught to get back as deep as you can, but you can never throw the ball out on time when you do that."

Mechanical Changes Click For Rodgers

Under the tutelage of head coach McCarthy and quarterbacks coach Tom Clements, Rodgers pre-pass triangle set came down to between his numbers, consequently his motion became quicker, his power increased (also because of his cleaner footwork) and his timing improved. Now, Rodgers puts up video game numbers as he knifes through the heart of defenses with otherworldly throws.

"In Aaron Rodgers' particular situation, he had a very high ball carriage which I felt there was a stiffness to the way he carried the ball," McCarthy told ourAdam Caplan during the 2010 NFL Scouting combine, "it wasn't as natural because he is a very good athlete and it's something you didn't see in my opinion in his earlier days, how good of an athlete he was and I think it's something we've adjusted and he's very natural with it. Every quarterback that I've ever coached, you're always looking to improve their mechanics."

Furthermore, as Risdon noted, mechanics may be able to be fixed or altered but it takes “time,” which is exactly what Rodgers had as he honed his skills for three seasons while legend Brett Favre played. 

 

Gawd bless 'murica..

 

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Thanks again Titm!

 

Love reading these and all the links they provide. 

 

Great to see you around!   

That's a fantastic article slowmo and thanks much for digging that out

Whitfield and Cosell are some of the best at what they do, great to hear their takes on it too

 

"I believe mechanics above the waist can be fixed but it takes time and dedication," Risdon stated. "I think it's a delicate balancing act to try and do anything major but changing release points, follow through, back shoulder rotation, even how the football is held are all tweaks that can absolutely be done."

 

MM has worked with Favre, Montana, Rodgers and Gannon among others and has a lot to offer the developmental QBs. Hundley won at UCLA with moxie and verve, now MM and Clements are teaching him how to be a professional QB in the NFL

The thing I noticed about Hundley is that his release point is very high and his throwing motion is really slow. I'm not surprised he's struggling to be accurate really. McCarthy will need to break him down and rebuild his mechanics from scratch. Maybe that's what they wanted, he has some bad habits, but maybe not as many as other more experienced passers.

The most interesting thing is watching the speeds that our backup QBs went at vs. the speed Rodgers goes at. He's lightning fast with everything he does and perfectly on the mark 98% of the time. Just with simple routes I could tell where he threw it before the receiver went in to their breaks so the ball was there immediately while the other QBs threw it right at the break or right after. The ball has to get their fast where they throw it later which can lead to inaccuracy. Rodgers knows where all of those receivers will break and it's there waiting on them. He goes at another speed.

Conversely, it's not easy playing WR for a QB other than AR. Youve been brainwashed into expecting a ball in a specific window at a specific point in the route. Everything changes when it's not AR throwing it. You turn and look for a ball that hasn't been released yet and now you have to be aware of DBs that otherwise wouldn't have mattered.  

Other quarterbacks suck.

You just hope that one of those QBs develops enough that if God forbid, the Pack does lose Rodgers for a couple games or more, that they can maybe go .500 or even better in his absence.  Tolzien wasn't up to the task a couple years ago, but hopefully he's learned a bit since then, and hopefully if he is forced into duty, the Pack is healthier and stronger at other non-QB positions than they were in 2013.

 

 

 

Here you go fightphoe93 - some comments on Tolzien's progress

 

From McGinn's positional review: QBs

http://www.jsonline.com/sports...314z1-318735281.html

Flynn's No. 2 job fell to Scott Tolzien, who continued to pique the interest of coaches in Green Bay and scouts from afar.
He was re-signed just before the start of free agency for one year at $1.2 million ($100,000 guaranteed).
What caught Bennett's eye was Tolzien's zip on passes down the seam and the deep out.
"Physically, he's gotten better," Clements said. "He's changed his (throwing) mechanics. He's gotten more velocity."

Last winter, one personnel man for a team with an inferior quarterback situation studied all the passers bound for free agency.
"Tolzien was the best looking guy I saw," the scout said. "I'm serious. We would have signed him to compete (for a starting job).
They're developing a guy that probably will get a shot to play next year."

Kid I'm telling you, it's a tough world out there.

I busted ass here for a few seasons and what happens?

 

Every single draft pick this season, was meant to screw me over. 

 

 

 

If Graham Harrell really got more velocity every time we heard that about him, he would have been throwing backwards in time.

Tolzien already threw a good looking pass with some zip on it when given the chance in 2013. The problem was that he was throwing them into the arms of guys on the other team.

Yep.  And he did last year in pre-season games too.  I thought he out played Flynn last year and that he seemed to be making smarter throws.  Probably something about actually knowing the offense.  I understand why the kept Flynn last year but I think it was unnecessary. 

Tolzien definitely was throwing with more zip. He looked better, I thought, than in years past. That said he's definitely a big step down from Rodgers, which shouldn't be a revelation. These WRs are so good though that he will get some help. Part of his problem when he started was inconsistency on the OL and some drops from receivers. If I remember right, wasn't Cobb also out for that stretch that Tolzien started? Depth behind Nelson and Jones was suspect also so Tolzien didn't get much help. If everyone stays healthy then he should be good enough.