@lambeausouth posted:Tee Higgins, drafted #33 in 2020.
2020 stats: 67 catches, 908 yards, 6 TD.
You expect Rodgers to throw to a rookie? LOL
You and I also know damn well we wouldn't have drafted Higgins. Nice hindsight take though.
Ain't nothing getting blown up until Murphy is gone. If we had an actual owner maybe. But we got another year and a half of Murph, Gutey, Marty and Joe.
@WolfPack posted:I know its early but Musgrave and LVN dont look like anything other than JAGs
and disappointed in Watson. maybe he's hurt but is not the aggressive playmaker we need
Musgrave and Van Ness were/are known projects, but sadly both are much further along than Watson is in year two.
@vitaflo posted:You expect Rodgers to throw to a rookie? LOL
You and I also know damn well we wouldn't have drafted Higgins. Nice hindsight take though.
You said no rookie would have made a big difference. Higgins may have. They were only a play or two from going to the dance. He certainly would have contributed more than Love sitting on the bench.
@lovepack posted:We will see Clifford this season. One way or another. He may take the job and keep it.
Please stop with this! He played well in the pre-season - which is vanilla and nothing like the regular season. And I live in Penn State country, saw him play 6 years, and appreciated what he did at PSU. As Andrew Brandt says: “everyone always loves the backup quarterback,”.
Did anyone else notice the Badgers AND the Packers both had the same score??? 24 - 10. 
@Goldie posted:Did anyone else notice the Badgers AND the Packers both had the same score??? 24 - 10.
Yes, I did. They were different games though. The Badger score was reflective of the game. The Packer score was not, it felt like they lost by 30.
@13X posted:You said no rookie would have made a big difference. Higgins may have. They were only a play or two from going to the dance. He certainly would have contributed more than Love sitting on the bench.
Or Gute could have done what most teams looking to compete for a Super Bowl do -- actually trade a draft pick for a veteran player (maybe even a WR) when competing for a SB.
See Stefon Diggs (Bills), AJ Brown (Eagles), Tyreke Hill (Dolphins), Chiefs (Orlando Brown & Frank Clark), etc.
I know, I know, silly to even contemplate the Pack sending a pick away for a player as we just don't do such things in GB.
Nice kid, not the guy. The problem is the same problem it's always been. That's how you know.
How does Jordan Love underthrow this wide open receiver with a clean pocket?pic.twitter.com/a0da2cCdIXhttps://t.co/IyY3lCI6ux
— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) October 29, 2023
@SteveLuke posted:Or Gute could have done what most teams looking to compete for a Super Bowl do -- actually trade a draft pick for a veteran player (maybe even a WR) when competing for a SB.
See Stefon Diggs (Bills), AJ Brown (Eagles), Tyreke Hill (Dolphins), Chiefs (Orlando Brown & Frank Clark), etc.
I know, I know, silly to even contemplate the Pack sending a pick away for a player as we just don't do such things in GB.
Wow, an actual sensible idea for what we should have done in 2020 that nobody ever talks about. But no, Tee Higgins, that was the answer. 
Not uncommon for young players to take a step backward before showing improvement. Happens all the time to all teams.
That's other teams having more tape on a new player that then adjust to that player. And the new guy needs to retool and make his own adjustments. Some are capable, others are not.
@PA green & gold posted:Please stop with this! He played well in the pre-season - which is vanilla and nothing like the regular season. And I live in Penn State country, saw him play 6 years, and appreciated what he did at PSU. As Andrew Brandt says: “everyone always loves the backup quarterback,”.
I direct you to the careers of Tom Brady and Kurt Warner. The Packers saw Kurt plenty in practice and let him go. The Rams saw plenty of him as well, but only played him when they had to. Same for TB12. More recently, the Brock Purdy situation. Let's remember he was concussed for those last two pics. Sometimes you won't know how good someone is until the bullets fly. It's time to see Clifford.
Purdy got dinged again today? He was just coming off one from last weekend and was just cleared to play yesterday. Yikes.
I was talking about the loss last week. Did he struggle today?
Yes, he did. One TD, two INTs and one called back on a penalty, I believe. Purdy throws a really nice ball, but he's also made mistakes.
@Fandame posted:Yes, he did. One TD, two INTs and one called back on a penalty, I believe. Purdy throws a really nice ball, but he's also made mistakes.
And a fumble on a sack in their last possession to seal the game for Denver.
@lovepack posted:I direct you to the careers of Tom Brady and Kurt Warner. The Packers saw Kurt plenty in practice and let him go. The Rams saw plenty of him as well, but only played him when they had to. Same for TB12. More recently, the Brock Purdy situation. Let's remember he was concussed for those last two pics. Sometimes you won't know how good someone is until the bullets fly. It's time to see Clifford.
All three examples were able to flourish because they found themselves in a very good place with the respective organizations. All three had dynamic offensive minds mentoring them. GB and MLF are nowhere close to that in 2023. Not even in the same league.
It could hurt our draft position. Lol. Seriously, we are 3 years invested in Love. We gave up potential contributors to a SB run to draft this guy. It’s unlikely he turns it around, but we have to know without any doubt before pulling him.
I wonder what clued him in?
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LaFleur's last line: "It’s just like, you know, we’re a mess right now.”
Pack was too inept to get back into the game even when the Queens kept giving them chances. Just another all around dysfunctional and undisciplined performance.
@lovepack posted:What could it hurt?
I'm having a hard time figuring out how fans could watch 30 years worth of hof qbs and be so eager to chuck this kid after 7 games. Everyone is frustrated watching this team get worse every week. But we need to remember- not even Aaron freaking Rodgers could save this team from it self a year ago. It took herculean Favre-like moments from Rodgers to keep them in games, precisely because the head coach's system became increasingly worse over time.
For all the talk about poor accuracy and bad decisions- a good share of it being true- Love didn't look like this the first three weeks of this season. He's playing as a shell of what he was in week 1. Is every bit of that because he regressed that badly? Is his coaching mentor doing anything to ease the burden of a shit o-line and targets that drop balls that hit their hands and run routes in a way that has Love seeing double targets in the same spot?
They had issues cranking it up against the lowly Bears on opening day. They fed Jones and the offense opened up enough to get the W. Jones gets hurt, MLF has no idea what to do. Jones comes back, MLF has him on a pitch count that's just absurd if you're really serious about winning a game. At this point, it's hard to even tell if MLF has coached his young qb at all.
Eliminate the penalties and mental errors. That's the only way to evaluate any player on this roster. But alas...this staff can't even get their team to play with any form of discipline at all. So they trot Love back out there expecting Rodgers type results, to go along with all the fuck ups happening around him. He may not be the answer, but he deserves a chance to play through this bullshit and learn from mistakes. We've endured entire seasons worth of cross our fingers and hope Favre finally gets it. But somehow seven starts under a garbage head coach is enough to pull the plug now. If that ain't spoiled, idk what is. Not you personally on the last point, lovepack.
The QB also has to be a leader of men. Love has been afforded an opportunity virtually no other 1st round QB gets. 3 years to prepare watching a top 10 all time QB day in and day out. He saw the preparation, the work ethic, the practice habits, how an MVP QB leads an offense, and how a QB holds team mates accountable.
He's seen an NFL offense operate at the highest level first hand. He should have gained some insight he can bring to his team mates. MLF can't make someone be who they're not. Love's got to take it by the reigns and raise expectations.
10 is further away from proving he's the guy than he was last week. You only get so many chances. He's got 10 left this season. It needs to be a lot better. If it isn't he should rightly expect competition next season.
Gardner Minshew would get more out of this offense. It's Clifford time. He doesn't bounce swing passes off the feet of open receivers.
@titmfatied posted:The QB also has to be a leader of men. Love has been afforded an opportunity virtually no other 1st round QB gets. 3 years to prepare watching a top 10 all time QB day in and day out. He saw the preparation, the work ethic, the practice habits, how an MVP QB leads an offense, and how a QB holds team mates accountable.
He's seen an NFL offense operate at the highest level first hand. He should have gained some insight he can bring to his team mates. MLF can't make someone be who they're not. Love's got to take it by the reigns and raise expectations.
10 is further away from proving he's the guy than he was last week. You only get so many chances. He's got 10 left this season. It needs to be a lot better. If it isn't he should rightly expect competition next season.
Who is responsible for making sure all 11 guys on offense know what's expected of them? Who's responsible for the unit being assignment-sure? Or disciplined enough to move only at the snap? What Love "saw" was a hof qb running an offense that even 12 wouldn't get on board with. He saw that for three years, while getting part-time reps. I'm baffled at how Love could look the part for three games, while struggling, but could regress so quickly into the dogshit qb so many are claiming him to be. Are we to believe MLF is acting as a calming force on the sideline, while he appears to the entire world to be one play from busting into tears himself?
If Love were to follow in the footsteps of 12, who would be available for him to target after a bad drop or wrong route should result in no more looks the rest of the game? He'd have absolutely no one to throw the ball to, because they've ALL committed such grievous acts this season. Beyond that, based strictly on Love's performance alone, can we point to one single thing MLF has corrected in his game through seven games? Like I said last post, MLF can't even correct the godawful fundamentals and unforced errors of anyone in this offense. How can we even know if he's even diagnosing wtf is going on, let alone setting out to correct them? I don't think MLF even understands how to right a player who's struggling. If he does, we sure as fuck aren't seeing worthwhile results on the field. No different than Barry, and honestly no different than Bissacia on ST. They have ZERO answers in the way of helping players out of a slump. We saw what the weight of the team did to Rodgers, and now Love in seven games is somehow capable of just picking it right up?
Are you sure Love 'looked the part' for three games? He's had accuracy issues each and every NFL game and it was his issue coming out of college. Can't help a cat learn how to swim. They've been down playing Love since he got here. Some people just don't want to hear it. Now he's showing why.
@titmfatied posted:Are you sure Love 'looked the part' for three games? He's had accuracy issues each and every NFL game and it was his issue coming out of college. Can't help a cat learn how to swim. They've been down playing Love since he got here. Some people just don't want to hear it. Now he's showing why.
He has accuracy issues. He also has issues of targets with stone hands(on accurate throws), and wrong routes, and false starts/illegal motions/holding penalties. And the issue of overcoming the incompetence coming from the sideline. You could probably put Aaron freaking Rodgers under center, hypothetically, and the suck and dysfunction would persist. But we've done that already and witnessed the result.
After everything we saw throughout last season, the same script has reared its head again, especially the past four games.The common thread here isn't Love, and judging him based on the system that began crumbling last year isn't an objective assessment when the same crap was fully on display around Rodgers too.
We disagree, but I respect your opinion. Hope they get it turned around.
Turned around? Hell. Run the table. 12-5 baby!
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Abysmal performance overall.
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Remains an evaluation year and it's both silly and premature to write off the QB after a handful of starts.
This is a bad TEAM
Poorly Coached
Poorly put together
Here is a positive.
They are so bad that I’m not even upset about it. It’s comedy now, like the toast pic.
I thought this was one of Love's best games. He still can't throw a deep ball worth a shit, which probably means Watson is wasted for his 6 games a year.
@Goldie posted:Did anyone else notice the Badgers AND the Packers both had the same score??? 24 - 10.
I did notice that. One big difference for me was the Badgers played their hearts out and lost to superior talent. The Packers? well let's just say that hasn't been the case.
@Packiderm posted:
Is it still yapping and posing too?
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Again, there was great individual effort by some players. It's not like these guys ain't trying. They're just not good enough to overcome the sum of the team.
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Try as I might, that's the only positive I can think of.
