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Not much to be real happy about today as a Packers fan except Cobb played great and so did a few others (CMIII with the hustle and Masthay was money on placing his kicks).

San Fran is a very good team and there is no shame losing to them but they have to get better. The good news is that they ought to motivated real quick getting the Bears on Thursday and this is a crtical game. You do not want to go down 0-2 to start the season.
I guess I am in the minority, but you need to hold SF to 17 pts or less to win against them. Complain all you want about the offense, but SF has a great defense. I can not call the SF offense anything but pedestrian, but they hung up 30 pts. The defense once again couldn't get off the field. They lost TOP battle (33-27), the TO battle, they had 5 long scoring drives where they couldn't get off the field.
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Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
I guess I am in the minority, but you need to hold SF to 17 pts or less to win against them. Complain all you want about the offense, but SF has a great defense. I can not call the SF offense anything but pedestrian, but they hung up 30 pts. The defense once again couldn't get off the field. They lost TOP battle (33-27), the TO battle, they had 5 long scoring drives where they couldn't get off the field.


Actually, defense held them on third down. 49ers were 2/9 on third down. They just didn't have to face too many third downs.....

We had 4 1/2 sacks.

The problem was we didn't play well on a consistent, down in and down out, basis.
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Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
+ I was caled a "troll" by PDXPackfan


That's just silly. Everyone knows trolls are mostly hairless.

They weren't good today, period, and it starts with Ridgers. When he and the line don't play well, they get handled.
The Packers offence was out of sync. Not sure if it was SF defense, really bad officiating, or something wrong with the offence. Last year when the Offence was clicking the teams was playing quicker and had a swagger that has been missing since the Giants game last year.

Rodgers play was poor. What happen to Jennings and Nelson? MM may need to reign in Rodgers; I suspect he is calling those insane 3 and short bombs all the time
First game of the season but if the Packers Defense does not get better by the end of the year it is time to consider firing Capers.
What the heck is going on wih the Packers secondary. Why do they always look confussed? Not just this game, but all of last years and the years before the Super Bowl run.

The Packers should go ballistic about the referring in this game. I am not saying the game outcome would be any different but at least the Packers could insure this bunch never refs one of their games in the future. Heck if I were the 49ers I would also not want to see this bunch of ref ever again. Bad officiating is bad officiating and it bits both ways.
GB just didn't execute as well as San Francisco, that's all it came down to. Smith didn't do anything spectacular, but he hit the open receivers that were open because they ran great routes and our DBs couldn't handle it. Their OLine executed and pushed our DLine back in the run game and our LBs took poor angles and couldn't wrap up. Our OLine couldn't move their DLine to open holes and our receivers couldn't get open against their DBs. That should be the one and only negative, execution. McCarthy and Capers weren't out-coached, I think they had the right calls in place, it came down to execution and our guys couldn't get it done. Add on to that all the mental mistakes that resulted in penalties and the phantom penalties the scab refs called and you can't win like that.

That said, I'm not worried really worried about it. San Francisco is a very good football team that is disciplined and executes very well. We won't see a team like this all season until we meet San Fran again in the playoffs. We saw a lot of really great things, San Francisco was clearly worried about our other pass rushers because they didn't/couldn't double or triple team CM3. He can earn his money when he gets a 1 on 1. Raji and Worthy got some solid pressure, as did Perry...need some consistency, but showed a lot of promise. Can't say enough about Cobb, he was the offense and I loved seeing Finley do what he's capable of (aside from the drops). We won't see a DB core like this again and we still got some openings.
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Originally posted by packerboi:
James Jones. AKA Trade Bait. Nice game today. 81 yards receiving and a 20 yard avg. He's going nowhere. Bargain contract for that kind of player.


Just imagine his numbers if he had not unnecessarily pushed off earning that offensive PI penalty.
all of this being said, the game could have easily been won if a couple of players had just played with some restraint. penalties that had no impact on the play being made or not as with Jones or Woodson on third down we're just killers.
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Originally posted by slowmo:

Actually, defense held them on third down. 49ers were 2/9 on third down. They just didn't have to face too many third downs.....

We had 4 1/2 sacks.

The problem was we didn't play well on a consistent, down in and down out, basis.


I'm hoping you don't feel I disagree with you. I was sloppy with my post.
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Originally posted by slowmo:
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Originally posted by Green Crustacean:
I guess I am in the minority, but you need to hold SF to 17 pts or less to win against them. Complain all you want about the offense, but SF has a great defense. I can not call the SF offense anything but pedestrian, but they hung up 30 pts. The defense once again couldn't get off the field. They lost TOP battle (33-27), the TO battle, they had 5 long scoring drives where they couldn't get off the field.


Actually, defense held them on third down. 49ers were 2/9 on third down. They just didn't have to face too many third downs.....

We had 4 1/2 sacks.

The problem was we didn't play well on a consistent, down in and down out, basis.
The effort against the run was far worse than the pass rush today (which wasn't good). It was basically a slam dunk that 49ers were going to get at least 5 yards on even the plays were their push was minimal or nonexistent. Their rotten play against the run only caused the spotty pass rush to fall even further as the front 7 started to be pushed back on their heels and second guess themselves on their reads.
+ Matthews. Looked great.
+ Cobb was the only offensive player that played to capabilities.
+ Overall, it is a young team, so there is potential for improvement if these teams meet again.

- Pack was beaten much worse than the score indicated. Battle of trenches completely lost.
- Not only did the D collapse against the run, they forced no turnovers. In some ways, it was even worse than last year's D.
- To look as unprepared for an opener at Lambeau as the Pack looked is cause for concern.
Continuing with the negative category:

Apparently MD Jennings was pulled from the game after whiffing on a tackle when Gore had the ball. He also was responsible for Moss being so wide open in the endzone from what I've read. It was one of those oh-so-familiar "Miscommunication" plays in the secondary.

I'd like to see the rookie inserted at S from this point forward and take whatever lumps come with it. I also want to see Shields as the #2 CB followed by Heyward. House jumps in there if he is healthy and can perform. Bush should only be out there in an emergency due to injuries. The guy just can't cover. The coaching staff supposedly likes the way he plays the run but that didn't work out so well either.

One thing is certain, GB better get their running defense figured out before Forte comes to town.
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1. Bush sucks!

2. Compers: He is now one game into the second year of an epic fail. I hate to say it, but perhaps it's time to cut ties and move on. 30 points against the niners?

3. Did somebody punch Rodgers in the nose before the last two games? He looks like he doesn't know where he is.

4. Nine rushing attempts today? We now have a legitimate 1000 yard a year rusher, albeit a non law abiding citizen....why can't the Packers run the ball?

5. How did Shields forget how to play football?

6. Last place in the NFCC.

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The joy of completely overreacting to the first game of the season. I don't want another 15-1 season followed by an early exit in the playoffs. I want every game to mean something. I want the Packers to play the niners again this year....in San Francisco....because recent history tells me that the Packers are better on the road in the playoffs than at home.

I hope the Bears enjoyed their win today, because they're going to experience a sh!tstorm of football come Thursday night! I'll begin to worry if the Packers are 0-2 four days from now.
Forward
Randall Cobb
Matthews
Masthay
Different outcome when next the 49ers and Packers meet this season.


Backward
Finley drops key conversion pass; His schtick aint stickin to the ball and it is getting old
MM calls stupid deep throw on 3 and 1; Finley was wide open in the middle
Defense gave up on 21 yard run
Capers doesnt seem to have an answer anymore
Run game cant even run away
No turnovers

Neutral
Rodgers did look a little sleepy at the start. Even my daughter said so.
Did Driver even play?
Nelson was almost unheard of
Jennings underachieved
Woodson...most penalized Packer player
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Originally posted by Pistol GB:
Looked like Morgan Burnett lost on that one.


From what I gathered, Burnett made some sort of coverage adjustment call and Jennings either didn't hear it or didn't react to it.

On Moss’ touchdown, safety Morgan Burnett made a pre-snap adjustment but not everyone in the secondary got the call. In zone coverage, Burnett passed off Moss, but the help wasn’t there. After the play, Burnett gestured toward fellow safety M.D. Jennings, who Burnett clearly thought would provide the help. “We were going into a normal check with a change-of-strength motion, but sometimes it gets loud,” Burnett said. “You have to try to relay it, and everything happens so fast. We’re not going to single out one guy. You’re in it together.” Not long after that play, the Packers benched Jennings in favor of rookie safety Jerron McMillian.
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Randall Cobb
Clay Matthews

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Almost every other player
Coaching
Joe Buck still likes to draw yellow circles around "big name" wide receivers before the snap at least five times a game (probably did it 20 times a game when Terrell Owens was still playing at a high level). Thanks, slapdick, I had no idea where Randy Moss was lining up until you did that.
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Originally posted by Pakrz:
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Originally posted by Pistol GB:
Looked like Morgan Burnett lost on that one.


From what I gathered, Burnett made some sort of coverage adjustment call and Jennings either didn't hear it or didn't react to it.

On Moss’ touchdown, safety Morgan Burnett made a pre-snap adjustment but not everyone in the secondary got the call. In zone coverage, Burnett passed off Moss, but the help wasn’t there. After the play, Burnett gestured toward fellow safety M.D. Jennings, who Burnett clearly thought would provide the help. “We were going into a normal check with a change-of-strength motion, but sometimes it gets loud,” Burnett said. “You have to try to relay it, and everything happens so fast. We’re not going to single out one guy. You’re in it together.” Not long after that play, the Packers benched Jennings in favor of rookie safety Jerron McMillian.


Yep, I think they may have talked about it during the replay, but it was clear that Burnett made some type of gesture or adjustment pre-snap. What's baffling is that these type of mistakes in communication keep happening. I know they miss Collins back there, but sheesh...
Really, the only positives I can think of are individual player effort; Cobb was a madman, Finley played reasonably well, JJ gave great effort and made some plays. Masthay and Crosby kicked well. CM3 was a madman also, but I don't know that anybody else on defense played well.

Negatives are the same ol' chit.
Apparently, Grant or Starks wasn't the problem at RB.
OL pissing down their legs and allowing pressure to be generated by three rushers. The vast majority of our pass plays were jailbreaks. As far as I know, Newhouse did OK, but Bulaga was a pussy today.
WTF kind of game plan called for our LB's to cover their WR's? They can't cover TE's or RB's out of the backfield; who thought they could cover speedy WR's?
I'd like to say our tackling improved, but when they're being made 7-8 yards or more past the LOS, it's hard to tell.
As bad as our rushing defense was, it was the worst watching Gore's scoring run. That compared with that NE lineman returning that KO for umpteen yards and the hail mary pass vs the Giants; completely embarrasing.
I don't know if the problem is scheme or execution, but we cannot defend the middle of the field. It looks like we are in a constant 'prevent' defense; give up the underneath stuff while trying not to get beat deep.
Blitz schemes or concepts suck. Again, execution may be the real problem, but when the blitz gets stonewalled time after time, I think it's more than just poor execution.
Speaking of game plans, WTH was going on for the offense? Jennings, Nelson, Jones, and Cobb were the only WR's allowed to play? Same with TE; nobody allowed but Finley? And these guys couldn't get open/seperation from their DB's? Very strange to me.

And this is just based on what actually occured; the Packers were lucky SF didn't score 40+ points. If they had a real QB, they likely would have.
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I'd like to see the rookie inserted at S from this point forward and take whatever lumps come with it. I also want to see Shields as the #2 CB followed by Heyward. House jumps in there if he is healthy and can perform. Bush should only be out there in an emergency due to injuries. The guy just can't cover. The coaching staff supposedly likes the way he plays the run but that didn't work out so well either


They have to make a move in this area immediately. I don't care if he's a rookie or not but Hayward is a cornerback and he knows how to play the position. Personally, I'd start him and not Shields and let him learn the spot until House comes back. I would also find a way to get McMillan on the field because he simply makes plays.

What hurt them yesterday is that when SF went into obvious passing sets Hawk and DJ Smith could not cover worth a lick. That will happen when you have LBs trying to cover WRs but Compers needed to get more DBs in there more often than what he did. Last year the Packers ran a lot of nickel coverage with not so good results, but I think Hayward and House and McMillan are better options in the nickel and dime than they had in 2011.
Negatives:

Finley needs some stickum
The defense looked like they were playing on roller skates getting pushed around at times
No running game

Positives?

its over and now we can move on to Bears week

Cobb had a heck of a nice day
As far as all the negatives concerning the offense, keep this in mind about the 49ers defense. They have 4 All-Pro's from a year ago, 1 DL (Justin Smith), 2 ILB (Willis and Bowman), and 1 CB (Carlos Rogers). And they have a Pro Bowl Safety (Goldson) and another pretty good Safety in Whitner in addition to 2 other really good DL (McDonald, Sopoaga) and 2 OLBs that combined for 21 sacks in 2011 (Smith, Brooks). This isn't the Vikings defense we just played, it's probably the best defense in the NFL. Oh and the defense is coordinated by Dom Capers #2, the guy who was his DC for 2 different teams, Vic Fangio. So they have a collection of All-Pro players that are coordinated by a guy Dom Capers trusts to run his own defenses, did anyone really think our offense was going to light it up? If you thought that then it's your fault for having unrealistic expectations. And we still scored 22 against a D that only allowed 15 points/gamer last year.

I'm not satisfied with a loss, but we lost by 8 points to a well coached, disciplined team that is quite possibly the best in the NFL. Worse things have happened.
Only got to see the 2nd and 3rd quarters but...

+ the protection during that time was decent

+ I enjoyed seeing Cobb in the backfield, something I always hoped they would try

+ saw Nick Perry make at least some good plays in the run game

+ its only one game, and the team needed a wakeup call to remind them that what they were in 2010-2011 doesn't matter any more


- They did not seem well prepared. Looked like the starters needed more work in the preseason

- Tramon Williams still does not want to tackle

- Nick Perry in coverage completely flat footed

- Poor defensive coaching. Looked like they have never seen two receivers cross before and had no clue who to cover.

- Rodgers clock management at end of half

- Besides everything already said about Finley, did anyone notice how many times he just ran into a defender that was just standing back in coverage? Does he not see them there?

- Rodgers. When he had a lot of time, he just couldn't pull the trigger. Somebody had to be open, but he was not seeing them or was not confident enough to zing it in there. I believe it was a lack of live reps in the preseason that is to blame for this.
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Looked like the starters needed more work in the preseason. I believe it was a lack of live reps in the preseason that is to blame for this.


I thought this would be like their first preseason game and regrettably I was right. Time to start thinking about using the preseason to warm up and get on the same page and play real football instead of a rookie tryout? I guess we'll find out Thursday.
+ Cobb, CMIII, James Jones, Hawk

- AR12, in one interview MM summed up the loss saying "we lost the turnover battle"

- MM the "offensive genius" - TT has given him AR12, a solid OLine, Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Jones, Driver, Finley, DJ Williams, Alex Green and Benson, NO TEAM HAS MORE WEAPONS, 7 points outside of the almost garbage time Jones TD is not enough. Not even the SF defense should be able to shutdown all the playmakers TT has put on this roster.

- Desmond Bishop's injury really hurts
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NO TEAM HAS MORE WEAPONS


That's Funny. When I was looking at the scoreboard at 23-7, I was thinking the same thing. The mighty Packers with their high-powered offense could only manage 7 points.

Yes the Niners have a good defense, perhaps the best in the league today, but they're not THAT good. The Packers had plenty of opportunities to score and didn't take advantage of any of them. I'm very disappointed in MM.

Time to stop getting greedy & take what the defense gives you. When it's 3rd & 1 & your defense needs some rest, move the chains instead of taking a shot down field. The middle of the field was wide open on that play.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
GB just didn't execute as well as San Francisco, that's all it came down to.


Give that man a cigar

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Originally posted by turnip blood:
What the heck is going on wih the Packers secondary. Why do they always look confused? Not just this game, but all of last years and the years before the Super Bowl run.


I said this before. People don't realize what a QB Nick Collins was in our defense. They don't have that right now but I can see Burnett developing into the role. It takes time.
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Originally posted by Boris:
I said this before. People don't realize what a QB Nick Collins was in our defense. They don't have that right now but I can see Burnett developing into the role. It takes time.


I said this in another thread. Collins got hurt on September 18 LAST year. Almost a full calendar year. No excuse.

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