They won 15 games last year and had the 2nd highest scoring season in NFL history with RBs not as good as Benson and Newhouse/Clifton at LT. Wells is probably better than Saturday.
They don't NEED to run the ball better to help them matchup against most of the defenses in the NFL.
I'm just saying that it's easier for teams to stay in nickel and dime schemes when they don't have to worry about the run. Those will create better matchups for defenses.
chickenboy, as usual, is right.
chickenboy, as usual, is right.
quote:Originally posted by who:
Then, when the other team slows the game down, limits our offensive opportunities,
I recall Rodgers talking about Harrell during pre-season and commenting on the importance of establishing a rhythm. This holds true for Rodgers too. While a defense can disrupt an offenses rhythm, the real good offenses (in today's game) can dictate what the defense can do - and McCarthy is the one calling the shots there.
I will agree that SF kept both safeties high and out of the box all day.
But most teams are not as good at stopping the run as SF.
But most teams are not as good at stopping the run as SF.
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
They won 15 games last year and had the 2nd highest scoring season in NFL history with RBs not as good as Benson and Newhouse/Clifton at LT.
Yes, all in spite of the "offensive genius".
Lets not judge this years running game based on 1 game against the best defense in the NFL. Wow...
Negative: Rodgers has to wear an Alex Smith jersey this week. 
quote:Originally posted by Brak:quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
They won 15 games last year and had the 2nd highest scoring season in NFL history with RBs not as good as Benson and Newhouse/Clifton at LT.
Yes, all in spite of the "offensive genius".
No, in spite of the fact that TT didn't give him a better LT, C and RB, because we need to run the ball more.
And secondly that team should have been 16-0 with the highest scoring season in NFL history, as good as they were, they still underperformed.
would like to see more quick slants over the middle like we used to do, or maybe screens to slow down the rush.
Hopefully when we get Walden back Thursday it will give our D a shot in the arm.
It's Bears week! Our guys had better be fired up!!!!
Hopefully when we get Walden back Thursday it will give our D a shot in the arm.
It's Bears week! Our guys had better be fired up!!!!
The points made that SF is perhaps the best defense in the NFL are valid, but if we can't compete against them, how are we ever going to beat them?
The same applies to the Giants or other teams traditionally thought of as strong on defense.
IIRC, Collins really started to blossum in his 2nd year. Let's hope the same happens for Burnett. I'm not saying he should be All-Pro this year, but he should begin to be more of a force in the backfield.
The same applies to the Giants or other teams traditionally thought of as strong on defense.
IIRC, Collins really started to blossum in his 2nd year. Let's hope the same happens for Burnett. I'm not saying he should be All-Pro this year, but he should begin to be more of a force in the backfield.
The last two seasons the best team out of the gate did not win. That is not mean anything this seasons I know. It is about figuring out what works, what needs work and then improving on those things. That is how you get to where you want to go which is the playoffs and the Super Bowl.Time to get to work.
You don't think the game was competitive?quote:but if we can't compete against them, how are we ever going to beat them?
They lost by 8 points, ie: one possession. The game was competitive.
McCarthy kept calling running plays out of the shotgun formation which just wasn't working. Of the 9 rushes, I think only one of those began with Rodgers under center.
I think Rodgers needs to spend a little more time under center, if nothing else to mix it up for opposing defenses.
I think Rodgers needs to spend a little more time under center, if nothing else to mix it up for opposing defenses.
10-0 is not competitive, IMO, but for the sake of argument, I'll say it is.
16-7 isn't.
23-7 sure as hell isn't.
30-15 isn't.
16-7 isn't.
23-7 sure as hell isn't.
30-15 isn't.
What about 10-7?
We really need to figure this out.
We really need to figure this out.
I guess my definition of competitive is different than yours.
I thought I heard Harbaugh say that was the best his defense has played since he became HC. I would tend to agree. Yet, the final score was 8 points difference and the Packers were driving for the game tying score. Personally, as bad as GB played in terms of run D, penalties, and other miscues they were there at the end.
If they do play again I would not assume that SF does as well. One game folks that is it. If they kick the crap out of the Bores nobody will care about last week.
If they do play again I would not assume that SF does as well. One game folks that is it. If they kick the crap out of the Bores nobody will care about last week.
Just watched mccarthys press conference. Reporter asked if he was pleased packers had a chance to tie the game at the end considering they had been beaten all day long. MM says I'd love to answer that honestly...pauses...looks down and then says, we are 0-1...blah,blah, blah. I was wondering what others thought he would have liked to say. I think he was pissed at the piss poor play and execution of the offense all the way around. It did give me some optimism because you know he's giving his honest assessment to players and coaches. I think we're going to see a fire under the players arses this week!
Problem. Last season the PACKERS could defend the run but often not the pass, yesterday they couldn't defend either. Yet players on the D line & 2ndary claim they beat themselves? Truth is they got "owned". I hope for better commitment from the D verses the Bears.
quote:Originally posted by FreeSafety:
What about 10-7?
We really need to figure this out.
Niners = Best defense in the NFL. I don't mind losing to them.
Hopefully this game will be motivator for both sides of the ball.
quote:Originally posted by slowmo:
Yep, more than a few reviews that we were outcoached yesterday.
And the reviews are what really matter.
The important thing to remember is that when the Packers lose, no matter how good their opponent may be, it's time for wholesale changes. Obviously, if the changes made on defense didn't work week one, they aren't going to. And I don't care how many records the offense set last year, it's time to throw it all out and try something completely different. Because, let's face it, if there is one thing the average fan understands better than any NFL coach, it's what constitutes good and bad play calling.
quote:Originally posted by boxedup:
throw it all out
Who said anything about "throwing everything out." The simple fact is that for this game, the 49ers had a much better gameplan than the Packers, on both sides of the ball. Maybe that's because they spent 4 months working on it like the article says, maybe its because they built on what the Chiefs and Giants showed in beating us last year. Fact is, we were fighting uphill all game following their first series. The opponent was good, and yesterday their gameplan was better than ours, as reflected by the scoreboard.
I didn't see any posts calling for wholesale changes.
When your team ends up trying to cover Crabtree with a rookie OLB in Perry, on multiple occasions, and you continue to do it after they burn you, you've been outcoached.
The reviews don't matter, but the truth does.
When your team ends up trying to cover Crabtree with a rookie OLB in Perry, on multiple occasions, and you continue to do it after they burn you, you've been outcoached.
The reviews don't matter, but the truth does.
I was worried about this game for some time; told friends last week I thought the Niners would win. I guess I am in the minority in that I put some credence in how a team plays in preseason. What I saw was:
The 1st team offense was below average. Still no run game. One TD in 4 games.
The defense was not stopping the run.
This, piled on top of a less-than stellar December/January to finish the season last, gave me major pause going into this season.
And now I am worried about Thursday. Bears are THE one team who has consistently harassed and contained AR12. We have the same defensive liabilities and the Bears are better offensively. If they execute close to what the Niners did, the PAckers are in big trouble again.
IMHO.
The 1st team offense was below average. Still no run game. One TD in 4 games.
The defense was not stopping the run.
This, piled on top of a less-than stellar December/January to finish the season last, gave me major pause going into this season.
And now I am worried about Thursday. Bears are THE one team who has consistently harassed and contained AR12. We have the same defensive liabilities and the Bears are better offensively. If they execute close to what the Niners did, the PAckers are in big trouble again.
IMHO.
Eight point game with the ball and the niners had a 63 yard FG as time expired in the 1st half.
It was a competitive game.
It was a competitive game.
I can';t agree that the Bears O is better than the PACKERS. Their offense is better balanced at this juncture but imo the PACKERS O can score more points.
I know it's crazy talk.. but it's at least remotely possible that the Niners are a better football team at this point in the season than the Packers.
There were some things I didn't like about GB's performance, but it's one of 16 games.
Onward.
There were some things I didn't like about GB's performance, but it's one of 16 games.
Onward.
Forward.
State motto, and all.
State motto, and all.
It was one game against a great team. If it was against Minnesota, I would be worried.
This defense seems to live or die by the ILBs and watching the 49ers D and the Packers D in that game proves that. The 49ers ILBs covered well, tackled well, and blitzed well and everything else fed off of that. The Packers ILBs covered poorly, tackled poorly, and blitzed even more poorly. The Packers DL had an okay day actually IMO, they weren't blowing up the backfield, but that's not their job. Worthy and Pickett and Wilson did a decent job setting the edge, there were a lot of situations where Gore and Hunter had to bounce it further out or further inside, which is what is supposed to happen. What is supposed to happen when that happens is the ILBs come clean up the rest. Willis and Bowman did that well, Hawk and Smith did it extremely poorly. They couldn't shed blocks, they couldn't take proper angles and they couldn't wrap up. Losing Bishop hurts more than I think anyone ever expected. He wasn't the fastest or the best in coverage, but he tackled very well and was usually where he needed to be. Not to pile on Hawk, but he was absolutely terrible IMO, Smith was too. This defense depends on the ILBs doing their jobs and doing it well, that's why Pittsburgh has been so successful for so long. They can interchange OLBs and DL all they want, but having guys like Larry Foote, Clark Hagaans, etc. back there playing dependable football was huge. It's the reason San Fran's D will be successful as long as Willis and Bowman play as well as they have been.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
Losing Bishop hurts more than I think anyone ever expected.
Indeed. Its a HUGE loss for GB.
Losing 3 playmakers in Jenkins, Collins and now Bishop just guts the middle of this defense...
quote:Originally posted by Troy:
It was one game against a great team. If it was against Minnesota, I would be worried.
This guy gets it.