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hmmm....being able to give an opinion without being criticized or shouted down is now "stupid" ?

but, I digress....

Goldie:  I feel just the opposite.  If this was a Gary Anderson-led team, then yes, I would be worried.  But I do believe Chryst has this team very focused on one thing:   winning this game.   If anything Illinois and Purdue might have been let downs....but over the past 2 weeks we've seen this team as taking on game at a time.  We are a better TEAM than Minnesota.  Our defense will keep the Goofs in check.  It's just the offense I'm worried about.  IF we can muster enough drives and points from the Offense, I believe it will be a blowout.

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SanDiegoPackFan posted:

hmmm....being able to give an opinion without being criticized or shouted down is now "stupid" ?

but, I digress....

Goldie:  I feel just the opposite.  If this was a Gary Anderson-led team, then yes, I would be worried.  But I do believe Chryst has this team very focused on one thing:   winning this game.   If anything Illinois and Purdue might have been let downs....but over the past 2 weeks we've seen this team as taking on game at a time.  We are a better TEAM than Minnesota.  Our defense will keep the Goofs in check.  It's just the offense I'm worried about.  IF we can muster enough drives and points from the Offense, I believe it will be a blowout.

A blowout??  Now that's what I'm talking about...it's all I've ever wanted with all my teams....a crushing if you will.  Thanks SDPF.    

SanDiegoPackFan posted:

Hell Yeah!  We will now all be able to "preach free" now that the elections are over with.....at last, for the first time in 8 years we will ALL be able to freely say what we want without being denigrated for having a traditional American opinion.

oops.....sorry......is that too political, mods? ....or......is it just below that threshold like other posters who don't get their politics deleted...I'm still trying to find that fine line.

When were you not able to preach what you want?  Who stopped you?  What's this traditional American opinion of which you speak? 

 

Yeah Baby!  I just finished watching the game (TiVO).   Took the kids up to Mount Laguna and Julian today and with the rain and traffic, it took forever to get back home.

Let's beat Penn State first and then let the chips fall where they may.   Beating PSU means at least the Rose Bowl.   I would love to be in the top 4 for the playoffs.    Our Defense and coaching is definitely Championship caliber.   But, I just don't know if the committee believes our offense is a top 4 playoff offense.   Let's win the B1G Championship and then hope.  

Go Bucky!

 

 

Hey, I'm with ya Cave.  I'm just trying to guess what the committee will look at when/if it comes down to Alabama, O$U, Clemson, Washington, Wisconsin, and even Michigan.  That's all.   As was mentioned earlier, Bucky is not as "sexy" to the national media like some other schools (at this time anyway).   Maybe that will change after the B1G Championship.

I think they would realize it'd be hard to ignore the B1G champion.

Let's just go win that and see how the chips fall.

Either way, it's going to be a special bowl season for Bucky.  Nobody expected them to do so well with the coaching changes and everything.  This season has been amazing and I am damn happy to have been able to watch.

The rest upcoming is gravy to me as a fan.

It's a foregone conclusion that they have to win next week in Indy. So that said, if they win they're in. The winner of the B1G title game is in. Period. 

ESPN is touting chaos but I don't think so. Washington is not in, even if they win next weekend in the Pac12 title game. Their schedule doesn't warrant it. They don't have a signature win, and until they beat WSU Friday, they didn't have a win against a ranked opponent. 

Really, OSU is already in. Their win today sealed it. There's no way the committee leaves them out- they're the only team in the country that has a chance to challenge 'Bama. 

That leaves 1 spot- and Clemson gets it if they will the ACC title game. The committee will want the marquee star factor in there. 

 If Clemson loses it probably opens the door for Washington if they beat Colorado. I'm guessing the committee will only want one 2 loss team, which coming from the B1G that's ok as they're the best conference this year. If Colorado beats Washington, then there will have to be 2 two loss teams. Then it gets really messy. 

Im guessing it'll be 'Bama, OSU, B1G champ, and Clemson. 

I think Ohio State is in no matter what.  I hate that team but 4 wins against top 10 teams is nothing to sneeze at. Where it could get interesting if it's Penn State that wins the BT championship game and Clemson and Washington don't lose but Penn State beat Ohio State so I think they are also in and in that scenario Washington is probably out. 

The Wisconsin resume doesn't look as strong now as LSU and Michigan State and Nebraska aren't as good as their rankings were when they played them and unfortunately they aren't "sexy" so even if they win I don't think they are a sure bet to make it in.  I think they deserve it but this is where that loss to Ohio State could come back to haunt them.  

The worst case scenario is UW wins and they end up in a Jan 1 bowl game - such as the Rose Bowl.  That would be a hell of a consolation prize.  

Michigan really had their way with the UW OL and unlike Ohio State the Badgers couldn't run the ball as well.  I actually think UW would have a better chance of beating the Bucks than UM.   Either scenario wouldn't be very likely. 

Penn State is probably the best draw of the three.  However, UW playing and beating a Michigan or Ohio State in the BT championship game would have made UW a lock for the final four. 

Now they need help IMO as Ohio State is in for sure I think? 

I don't see Wisconsin if they win the game as a shoe in without help meaning a loss by Washington

FreeSafety posted:

The Big Ten is the best conference in the country. If the winner of the best conference doesn't get in there is something wrong.

This sounds like it should be true. The problem is that the most obviously best teams are not playing in the Championship game. That does not mean that the winner (especially the Badgers) should not be included should they win, but by losing both of those games, they left the door open. It looks better on paper if the people in the playoff are all zero or one loss teams.

Michigan maybe should be the other two loss team if any in this scenario. I am not sure if the Badgers can beat them, but if they did, they certainly would have been in if that was the scenario that had played out.

Pretty sure Washington beat Stanford and they are ranked 17 this week.  Utah probably should be ranked and that's a quality win.  Colorado is a top 10 team and if they beat them I think it's going to be hard for the committee to keep them out instead of a 2 loss UW team. 

The Iowa win is looking better now (they are ranked this week) but LSU and Nebraska wins don't look nearly as good.  The Michigan State win now is meaningless.   

Beating Penn State would be their best win of the year and I think gives UW the 4 seed if Washington does lose.  If both teams win I think UW has a 50/50 shot as they did not beat Ohio State or Michigan.  Beat either team and we aren't even having this discussion. 

 

 

I do not think so. Washington plays in a down conference and has no signature wins. The Badgers beat LSU, who was the only team to compete with 'Bama. And while the MSU win is no longer a factor, beating Nebraska and Iowa on the road, and taking OSU to overtime and Michigan to the brink is better than anything Washington has done. To then complete it with a win over Penn State to be Conference champion in the toughest conference in football this year clinches it. There will be 2 B1G teams in it.  

The real battle is Clemson and Washington- if Clemson stumbles that is the door Washington could sneak through. 

The Badgers have to beat Penn State no matter what.   I also think Washington has to beat Colorado for them to be safe.  Same thing with Clemson but their path is easier than either Wisconsin or Washington. 

Washington beating a top 10 Colorado team cancels out UW beating a top 10 Penn State team. That's where it could get interesting in the comparisons.   Washington has one loss to a top 15 USC team. The Badgers have two losses to top 10 teams.  The Badgers beat LSU and Iowa and Nebraska - all teams ranked in the 20s.  Washington beat Stanford - a top 20 team- and both Utah and WSU which are comparable to the Iowa and Nebraska wins. 

So the way I see it - it's how the committee values 1 loss (versus 2 losses) and overall strength of schedule.  I also think there could be the "eyeball test" in that Washington overall has looked better and more convincing. 

The only way I see UW is assured of a spot is for Washington to lose and UW to win.  That means both teams have 2 losses and it would be tough to deny the Badgers there.   

Tschmack posted:

The Badgers have to beat Penn State no matter what.   I also think Washington has to beat Colorado for them to be safe.  Same thing with Clemson but their path is easier than either Wisconsin or Washington. 

  

 This makes no sense.  If Washington beats Colorado they have only 1 loss. How does this make Badgers safe except safely in the Rose Bowl? 

phaedrus posted:

I don't get this Wisconsin would lose to Michigan stuff.  If Speight throws 2 int's and fumbles once like he just did...

This is what kind of gets me.  There is now a mentality in things I have been hearing and reading that now apparently they also want a "better game".  So is it the whole body of work or is it who would give a better game?  It seems to shift around constantly if they are talking about a blue blood program. And no one will say it but I guarantee you that they want as many blue bloods in the playoff as they possibly can and will use any excuse in the book to make it happen.

Think about if for a second if you took away the name Michigan would they be ranked as high as they are?  They lose to an unranked Iowa team, lose to OSU (which to me was a playoff game), and wont even play for their conference championship.  

Anyhow enough of my whining...  This how I see it coming out.

Bama even if they would somehow lose to Florida is as much of a lock as you can possibly be

O$U is in I just don't see there being a way they drop from #2 to #5 not going to happen

Clemson could drop a game to Va Tech.  Tech is not great but you just never know and Clemson has been living on the edge.  But I think they win and get the #3 spot

Where it will get nuts is if Washington doesn't win this weekend.  you will have Washington, Michigan, UW/PSU, Colorado, and Oklahoma all with 2 losses.  so who goes in at that point?

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