Bet that's never happened in the NFL.
with Seattle losing is their a scenario in which we end up hosting the Seahawks?
bubbleboy789 posted:with Seattle losing is their a scenario in which we end up hosting the Seahawks?
Yes.
Minny wins tonight
Packers win over MN
Seattle loses to AZ
Seattle is 6, we're 3
bubbleboy789 posted:with Seattle losing is their a scenario in which we end up hosting the Seahawks?
If Packers win NFC north, Sea loses to AZ next week and Viking lose tonight. So I suppose we want Vikes to win tonight. Sea has tie breaker in head2head over Vikings.
So, I believe if Carolina loses the early game against TB next week, AZ plays to win (#1 seed) against SEA in the late game. That's the only scenario AZ plays their starters, IMO.
not sure who I'd rather host.
Seattle is scarier but it is very hard to beat a divisional opponent 3x in one season.
Not to mention in two straight weeks would be quite a task for any team.
One might also suggest it's hard to beat the NFC Champions twice in the same season as well...
Or maybe, as Aikman noted today, every play the Packers run on offense looks like a fight. Might be difficult to win any games the way it's trending. 6-0, then 4-5. Lucky to be 10-5 at this point. Backing into the playoffs.
With the Seattle loss, we've clinched at least the #5 seed. We'll be either the #3 seed and host the Seahawks or Vikings or the #5 seed and play at Washington.
Somehow they are a 10 win team. That's what's amazing to me. 10 wins. With they way they have looked this year. 10 wins. 3 best record in NFC.
If you showed me the stats from this year, especially offensively, I'd say 6 wins tops. But they have 10 wins.
That says something.
What? I'm not sure.
Maybe you can just say they are a statistical anomaly if anything else.
I have as much hope as anyone for this team in the playoff, but geez, harder and harder to be an optimist.
Not seeing this level of discombobulation for so many years just leaves me shaking my head.
You saw this level of discombobulation in 2013 when Rodgers was injured.
That was ugly.
In that 6-0 start we never won a game by more than 14 points. It wasn't like the Pack were just dominating the better teams in the league at that time then to this garbage. The Seattle game was the most impressive. But at least we were winning and had an offense that could score and have steady production. This offense as of late is such a mess where do you start . Even having a healthy Jordy back now probably wouldn't do a whole lot to help this train wreck that has become of our offense since early November. In about every facet of the offense there has been issues at any given time since Denver. Injuries, having to bench our starting running back, dropped passes, weekly rushing fumbles, Aarons accuracy has been unusually off, the o-line not keeping the pressure off of Aaron, the list goes on and on. It's gonna be quite an interesting next couple of weeks to see how this team responds to todays game.
Pikes Peak posted:Packers 30. Vikes 13
Packers 28, Boys 7
After the suckage commenced.
Before this game I figured we could have a decent shot to win if the offense would play as well as we did in those games. Even the second half of the Detroit game the offense poured it on. This offense is capable of doing a lot. But then today happens and we are back to having that inconsistent offense that looks far from being prepared for a serious playoff run.
The main question is what kind of defense is the other team playing? If they're playing tight man coverage, the offense gets shut down. It seems when teams switch to a zone prevent is when our offense gets its "rhythm" going.
The issue as I see it is the Packers don't have a deep threat, and they don't have an OL that can pass protect. It seems like they can sort of run block, but the other team plays extra men up near the LOS, so the run gets stuffed easily. We go to the pass, and today for instance you've got Barclay at LT and Walker at RT. A far cry from the days of Clifton and Tauscher. Oh what I'd give for the OL from 2003.
To sum up, here's the formula for why the Packers' Offense has been terrible:
1) Jordy Nelson injured, and nobody else has stepped up as a deep threat.
2) A beat up offensive line that is pretty mediocre even when healthy.
3) Scheme looks pretty vanilla. Also, McCarthy seems unwilling to adjust to available personel. i.e. We're running a spread offense with backups at LT and RT, nobody kept in to help on protection. At this point I think we'd be better off with more TEs and FBs, or else Rodgers is a sitting duck out there. Also:
4) Rodgers seems to be in general discord with the entire team, coaches and players alike.
Mm not adjusting to the players he has on the field is the issue.
gbIdaho posted:So, I believe if Carolina loses the early game against TB next week, AZ plays to win (#1 seed) against SEA in the late game. That's the only scenario AZ plays their starters, IMO.
Arians challenged the non-safety call up 38-8.
Does it really matter who the Packers play in the first round? They're not gonna string together 3 (let alone 4) consecutive victories. And there's really not much consolation in winning in the first round if they're likely to lose (get blown out) the following game. Their offense is just not right. I don't care how it looked against Dallas or Minnesota. Quite honestly, those 2 games were anomalies in the second half of the season. The offense is trash, not one single part has had any semblance of consistency. And for all the crap Capers and the D took early on, it's the D that has allowed the Packers the opportunity to win the division again.
2015 just isn't gonna be the year, and it will be another disappointing finish for the league's best QB, best GM and stupid face.
Looks like a Minnesota win (looking really good after this first half) locks the GB/Minnesota loser into the 5th seed and Seattle into the 6th seed.
Seattle will have nothing to play for next week and can rest guys.
So if GB wins they play a rested Seattle team. If they lose, they play at Washington. I don't like their chances in either game although the Packers may not gain 100 total yards against the Seattle defense the way they are playing now.
YATittle posted:Mm not adjusting to the players he has on the field is the issue.
What are his choices?
He has WRs that can't get open in press coverage. If he leaves guys in to pass protect, he's got 2-3 WRs against 6-7 coverage guys. If he spreads things out to try to get someone a favorable look, his tackles can't pass block.
Cobb in the backfield has been his go to scheme for the last 2-3 games, but it looked like the Cardinals played nickel against it and forced them to run the ball with Cobb which didn't work.
He's designed some nice screens to get Lacy and Starks some TDs the last month, but that's about all he can scheme in the passing game.
Adams - may be the worst starting WR in the NFL.
R. Rodgers - slowest TE in the NFL
James Jones - one of the slowest WRs in the NFL. Limited to back shoulder throws.
Cobb - a good slot WR who can't beat press coverage.
Starks - fumble prone guy who isn't a great receiver other than screens.
Lacy- takes 4 steps to get going. No threat as a receiver other than screens.
They were counting on Nelson and Montgomery. They have Cobb - other than that there isn't much at WR.
MichiganPacker
Do you ever watch the games or look at the stat pages and see the targets that Brady, Newton, Cutler, Bridgewater and Wilson, etc. are throwing to???
Sure, there's some good TEs in there, but Cobb is supposed to be an elite WR. And the fact that either he can't get open, or the coaching staff can't figure out HOW to get him open is mind boggling. Similar players like Edelman, Amendola, Welker, Sproles, etc are ALWAYS finding ways to get open, get the ball and make positive yards. It's not like AR has a bunch of scrubs to throw to.
And since there's often comparisons nationally between AR and TB, look at Brady's line and RBs. There are many "who" in the group and yet their offense hasn't suffered. Either the QB, the coaching staff or both can't figure it out.
PackLandVA posted:MichiganPacker
Do you ever watch the games or look at the stat pages and see the targets that Brady, Newton, Cutler, Bridgewater and Wilson, etc. are throwing to???
Sure, there's some good TEs in there, but Cobb is supposed to be an elite WR. And the fact that either he can't get open, or the coaching staff can't figure out HOW to get him open is mind boggling. Similar players like Edelman, Amendola, Welker, Sproles, etc are ALWAYS finding ways to get open, get the ball and make positive yards. It's not like AR has a bunch of scrubs to throw to.
And since there's often comparisons nationally between AR and TB, look at Brady's line and RBs. There are many "who" in the group and yet their offense hasn't suffered. Either the QB, the coaching staff or both can't figure it out.
I agree with most of what your saying. But why is it that a system that has worked so well for 6 years of so go in the tank this year.
However, I would argue that other than Cobb, AR is throwing to a bunch of scrubs. And I would agree that this year has exposed Cobb for what he is - a decent slot receiver who is a complementary piece - not a star. If Cobb was a free agent after this year instead of last - he'd be looking at about 4 years and 20 million instead of 40 million.
Also, Brady is a HOF QB with great stats playing with many different, but at this stage of Brady's career it's clearly a different offense when Gronk is playing compared to when he's not. When he needs a play, Brady goes to Gronkowski. Replace Richard Rodgers with Gronkowski and this Packers offense probably becomes a top 10 offense.
MichiganPacker2 posted:I agree with most of what your saying. But why is it that a system that has worked so well for 6 years of so go in the tank this year.
It's gone in the tank because of the personnel. The Packers are slow. The other teams know it. Whether its the Broncos and Cardinals or the Bears and Lions. They've tried to get creative with Cobb by putting him in the back field. Its a one trick pony. You don't see anything like a 3 man rush against the Pack or a DL dropping in coverage. Teams aren't even putting exotic db packages in like our DC does. They just lineup and shade the coverage toward Cobb and play people straight up.
Adjustments? They've adjusted by conceding they can't beat press coverage. And perennially banged up tackles make it worse. Did anyone really take notice of the first two play calls after the Daniels pick? They threw the type of passes you might if Blaine Gibbert or Jimmy Clausen was your QB.
They aren't going to "fix" anything. They are what they are. There will be plenty of declarations about knowing whats wrong and correcting it. But the constant references to not being able to beat man coverage tell you the coach doesn't believe its a scheme problem.
A GBP win and a SEA win next week gives SEA the 5th seed and a trip to WAS.
The Packers will be fine as long as the better teams don't make it into the playoffs.
CAPackFan95 posted:bubbleboy789 posted:with Seattle losing is their a scenario in which we end up hosting the Seahawks?
Yes.
Minny wins tonight
Packers win over MN
Seattle loses to AZSeattle is 6, we're 3
Or...
We win the Wild Card and Divisional and host Seattle in the NFC Championship after they beat the **** out of the overrated Panthers. This requires the Packers and Seahawks to win in Week 17.
Week 17:
Green Bay win + Seahawks win = Wild Card Vikings @ Packers.
Green Bay win + Seahawks loss = Wild Card Seahawks @ Packers.
Green Bay Loss = Wild Card Packers @ Redskins.
If winning the Wild Card is the only concern from here on out, I think our best scenario is playing @Redskins so that we get a trip to Carolina in the Divisional (which would require the Seahawks to beat the Vikings in their Wild Card--otherwise we go to Arizona).
PackLandVA posted:Does it really matter who the Packers play in the first round? They're not gonna string together 3 (let alone 4) consecutive victories. And there's really not much consolation in winning in the first round if they're likely to lose (get blown out) the following game. Their offense is just not right. I don't care how it looked against Dallas or Minnesota. Quite honestly, those 2 games were anomalies in the second half of the season. The offense is trash, not one single part has had any semblance of consistency. And for all the crap Capers and the D took early on, it's the D that has allowed the Packers the opportunity to win the division again.
2015 just isn't gonna be the year, and it will be another disappointing finish for the league's best QB, best GM and stupid face.
Best GM??? Seriously?? How's that draft and develop philosphy working out?
EC Pack posted:Somehow they are a 10 win team. That's what's amazing to me. 10 wins. With they way they have looked this year. 10 wins. 3 best record in NFC.
If you showed me the stats from this year, especially offensively, I'd say 6 wins tops. But they have 10 wins.
That says something.
What? I'm not sure.
What it tells me is this has been two different seasons.
Season #1 was the first six games when teams were still defending GB like it was last year and they guarded against the big play down the field. GB managed to combine a short passing game with some timely free plays to jump out to a 6-0 start.
Season #2 was when the league figured out that this year's Packers couldn't get open down the field, so there was no need to protect against the big play. That adjustment + not jumping offsides on the hard count, and the Packers can't do anything. They are 4-5, and very fortunate to not be 3-6, with ugly wins and uglier loses.
So, yeah, this is a 10-win team, but only because it took the league six games to figure them out. Once they figured it out, the talent of this squad and the limits of this coaching staff are out in the open.
Henry posted:One and done.
Did that mean 1 win in the playoffs & then done?
I think the Packers can beat the Redskins
ShebPackFan posted:PackLandVA posted:Does it really matter who the Packers play in the first round? They're not gonna string together 3 (let alone 4) consecutive victories. And there's really not much consolation in winning in the first round if they're likely to lose (get blown out) the following game. Their offense is just not right. I don't care how it looked against Dallas or Minnesota. Quite honestly, those 2 games were anomalies in the second half of the season. The offense is trash, not one single part has had any semblance of consistency. And for all the crap Capers and the D took early on, it's the D that has allowed the Packers the opportunity to win the division again.
2015 just isn't gonna be the year, and it will be another disappointing finish for the league's best QB, best GM and stupid face.
Best GM??? Seriously?? How's that draft and develop philosphy working out?
This team is done for the year but quit being a ****ing idiot. What's happening on the field has little to do with TT and his approach to talent. Coaches and players are failing in spectacular fashion.
Boris posted:Henry posted:One and done.
Did that mean 1 win in the playoffs & then done?
I think the Packers can beat the Redskins
You would think that and it should be the case but flip a coin.
I thought they could beat the Bears and Lions at home
GB and AZ win - GB hosts SEA
GB and SEA win - GB hosts MIN
MIN wins - WAS hosts GB
At this point, one would assume that Carolina wins over TB in the early game. AZ has nothing to play for theoretically other than forcing SEA into the 6 seed which would also keep SEA away from AZ until the NFCC. Add in that Arians doesn't appear to be a "lets rest guys for the helluva it" and I think AZ plays it out.
While the division "title" is something I suppose, the 3 seed buys you one home game, and home hasn't exactly been a HFA in the playoffs as of late. I'd feel much better going to FedEx and playing WAS vs hosting SEA. Or, frankly trying to beat MIN in back to back weeks either.
Rest everyone, lose to MIN and take your chances vs WAS. SEA as 6 seed beats the hell out of MIN, we beat WAS. SEA beats CAR. We shock AZ and host the NFCC out for revenge from last year...
*beep beep beep* Alarm clock goes off...
MM would never rest players. He values winning the North - maybe a bit too much.
If the Packers play like they did yesterday it makes no matter what the seed or venue or opponent is......they will lose.
