Positives and Negatives of GB @ Detroit

Paws.

 

Neal

Perry

Peppers

Daniels

 

Megs

 

Lacy killed us today.  That 3rd and 1 where he decided to dance was horrific.  Dude, you way +250.

 

Rodgers not accurate and locking on 1st target.

 

All WR's not named Jordy. No separation all day.

My guess is Lacy is shellshocked and as result tentative. He tiptoed around a week ago, and was very slow and deliberate again today. 

Suffering a second concussion, especially early in the year once again, I think he may be having issues about hitting and getting hit. If that does happen to be the case, it really doesn't bode well for the type of rb that he is.

Artis, I read in the preseason some quotes by Lacy that he worked on his "moves" in the offseason, as in, he was going to be a power runner and all, but wanted to be even better so was incorporating those "moves" into his running style. 

 

I don't believe it has anything to do with concussions.  I think he's trying to be something he is not, and it needs to stop. 

It doesn't help he was getting popped regularly behind the LOS.  The oline got schooled today.

True dat, but he got popped behind the LOS plenty last season too, and he usually found a way to still get positive yardage.

He was hesitant, no doubt about it.  Part of me wonders how much he was distracted/learning protection pick ups but he definitely was dancing too much.

Like Grave Digger said, those handoffs out of the shotgun don't help.  I love EL, but he doesn't have the acceleration for those.

Starks and Harris did a much better job of hitting the hole. Lacy was dancing. Everyone loves his patience , but you have to know when to take what's there. 

 

No problem with Lacy on the safety though, not his fault. That was on MM and the Oline. Would not be my choice to run out of a deep I formation in that location.How about a two tight formation with a FB ?   Strong evidence of bad coaching three straight weeks. 

Thought Datone played well too.

If Datone's playing well, I must be missing it. Seems like quite a non factor to me.

 

Mike Neal. That guy is playing at a different level this year.

That play on the safety was so ridiculously telegraphed I couldn't believe it.  Basically MM tell the Detroit D to beat them and they whipped the oline's ass.  Not a good game for anyone on that line.

Agreed about Neal looking real good, I swear I saw 95 get some push and had 2 near sacks, but I could be wrong.

I agree about Datone playing well. I saw him in the backfield more than once. He had a much better game than Josh Boyd who I was disappointed in. He got driven off the ball badly at tImes. 

Chicago Rush D could be a good remedy to get some synergy back on the OLIne, they were whipped from the first snap.

Any chance we see Janis active this week?

I thought he'd be active this week.

All day. No adjustments to the dominant DET front 4. Those 4 controlled the game... that's sad.

Doubtful. If Rodgers has trust issues with Adams and Boykin, you can bet they'll be that much more with a player who's never played a down in the regular season.

 

An injury to a WR is the only way he's seeing the field IMO

Any update on Lattimore?  Barrington got ran over there at the end, will see what a week of reps with the #1's will do for preparation. 

Lattimore returned to the game.

Didn't Lattimore just have cramps?

PB, that makes sense.   Just odd that other teams Iggles, Hags have sproles and then harvin seems that Cobb/Janis could be used in that fashion. 

 

Awesome, missed that on Lattimore.

Harvin and Sproles seem to always be open.....Cobb, not so much

Re: Cobb is he a step slower with the leg?, poor technique in getting open, poor play design.  Seems to me he was drafted to be like those guys and previous 2 years I thought he played like he was.

Geezus, what should he have called?????  Are you kidding me???? For openers, friken call a screen once in a blue moon. DOH

Lacy seems a little tentative and I'm not going to suggest he played well, but the OL certainly deserves its share of the blame. I observed Linsley, Bulaga and Lang all miss pretty badly on running plays.

 

My question is why did the guy who claims to love to go with the hot hand go away from Starks? Just another puzzling move from MM yesterday.

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D was pretty solid

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Pretty much everything else

before we all get Gravedigger level hard-ons for the defense, aside from a great individual play from Peppers, the D did nothing in the second half.  Detroit had long, sustained drives that ate all the clock.  At the end, the Pack simply could not force a fourth down.  

 

Life in the first half, nice to see.  But could not stop Detroit after halftime.  Better adjustments were made on both sides of the ball after halftime from Detroit.

Time of possession was almost 40/20 in favor of Detroit (38/22) They ran 23 more plays. The inability of the offense to sustain drives eventually wore down the defense. Green Bay didn't have a drive with more than 10 plays. 

 

I completely agree that the difference in this game were adjustments made at the half by Detroit. 

I looked at the game again this morning and have to plead mea culpa. I was wrong. YES a screen would have helped.  I also agree now after watching other teams play that gadget plays are now helping other teams facing a big pass rush.

As mentioned I think it starts with the O-line. Detroit showed their strength in their defensive front front four and the Pack's offensive line showed their mediocrity. Lacey was stoned at the LOS so MM tried to run sideways, which is not Lacey's strength. Our O-line looked like a sieve and Rodgers was definitely rattled. As has been shown in the past, if you get into his head early he gets frustrated. Whenever he started to get going, Detroit just turned up the heat. 

A positive in this game was seeing the Packers start to force some turnovers. 

MM will have to get Rodgers moving around if the Pack is going to improve.  

I think the OLine is good enough and while they struggled in the run game, I'm not so sure it's 100% on them. The Lions have a fast, attacking D and McCarthy did the OLine no favors by dialing up slow developing running plays that allowed the Lions to attack rather than react. Again that is playing to the Lions strengths and not their weaknesses. And in the passing game you had Rodgers holding the ball for an ungodly amount of time. That's not on the OL when Rodgers takes 5 or 6 seconds. Rodgers needs to throw it away when nothing is there or run. 

 

You can have success with a mediocre OL, we won a SB with a rookie RT in Bulaga and Marshall Newhouse at LT. Rodgers has to help them out and get the ball out of his hands faster and the receivers needs to get their heads out of their butts and get open. 

Bulaga played well for a rookie, the interior was rock solid (Colledge worked well with Clifton in Pass Pro) and Clifton was still at LT. Now Bulaga is hobbled, Bak is just okay and Linsley is doing his best EDS as teams get film on him.

 

Let's face it, without good o-line play otherwise top offenses aren't performing. New Orleans is having some similar struggles so far this year and Denver's O-line is having trouble getting any push in the run game.

Wasn't Clifton still lt for the super bowl?

I have absolutely no issues with MM trying to run the ball yesterday. He should have. GB was staring at a 6 man front and rolling coverage to the deep outside. I do have an issue with what MM was trying to run at Detroit. And the best place to start is that muther effing pitch play.

 

Now, I understand the philosophy behind the play, The basis principle is to get the D line moving laterally, block the backside, RB looks for the cutback lane. The play isn't designed to go outside unless the RB instantly recognizes there is zero outside contain and he takes it, but this has to happen instantly. The RB is expected to hesitate and find the cutback lane. 

 

The problem with the play is that it's very much feast or famine. If the cutback lane doesn't develop there's a very good chance the play will result in negative yardage. That alone makes it a dicey proposition. The more it's called it's very recognizable to a defense and easier to defend. I think there's a good reason we don't see this play run with regularity by other teams. Good play once in a while. If it's run correctly and set up correctly.

 

My bigger issue with trying to run the ball yesterday was GB not going to more of a 2 TE big sets or even getting Kuhn in front of Lacy and going right at Detroit. Run them out of that 6 man front. Bring up those safeties rolling deep and outside. Option out of a 2 TE set. 

 

The long TD to Jordy last week against the Jets was a PA fake out of a 2 TE set. 

 

Idea to try and run the ball was sound. Execution and personnel to get it done, not so much. 

    Good post Chilli, but  and the Pack did not make the adjustments.  MM and the o-line lost this game.  AR did not help either.   

After 3 games AR's QB rating is 95.1 with 5 TDs and 1 int.

 

AR is one of the least of our problems.

 

MM's game plans, on the other hand, have been ass buckets. Starks was running at a 4+ yards per carry and NEVER got a touch in the 2nd half. We NEVER called a screen. Pitch outs to Lacy to the right behind our right side are NEVER going to work. We NEVER have anyone in motion. We got a bozo runnin' this bus the last 3 games.

BTW, besides the rotation at RT, lang has been chit this year too. Isolate on him for 3 games.

 

So running wide behind a rookie C, lang and whoever at RT is a crappy self-fullfilling prophesy. 

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A good view of the safety.

I can't find a replay, so I'll ask the question here. 

 

Was House touched by CJ when he went down on the 1 or after he rolled into the end zone? I don't think CJ touched House after the pick and him landing on the 1. I think the first contact CJ had with House was in the end zone. 

 

If that's the case, how can a defensive player be ruled down at the 1 if he's not touched but an offensive player that's not touched and comes down on the 1 can roll into the end zone for a TD?

 

If House was touched by CJ then marking the ball at the 1 is correct.