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Originally Posted by Satori:

We also faced a DC in Fangio who went out of his way to challenge Shields' side of the field. He remembers that from his time in SF doing the exact same thing - forcing Shields to tackle ( tramon too)

Either you're confused here or I am. 

 

I've stated in various other posts: Burnett would be a huge boost in helping slow Lynch.

The biggest negative for me was the missed tackles, followed by all the penalties.

 

Regarding Chicago being 11-17 on 3rd down conversions, if I recall correctly, many of them were 3rd and short, which is typically easy to do.

I'm left wondering how many of those 3rd and short situations were due to the piss poor tackling on 1st and 2nd downs?

If the D can clean up the tackling, perhaps they can create some 3rd and longs and get the hell off the field.

 

According to MM, they found more than 10 missed tackles in film study. 

 

Get that cleaned up, and things might look a lot better for the D.

Originally Posted by Thunderbird:

The biggest negative for me was the missed tackles, followed by all the penalties.

 

Regarding Chicago being 11-17 on 3rd down conversions, if I recall correctly, many of them were 3rd and short, which is typically easy to do.

I'm left wondering how many of those 3rd and short situations were due to the piss poor tackling on 1st and 2nd downs?

If the D can clean up the tackling, perhaps they can create some 3rd and longs and get the hell off the field.

 

According to MM, they found more than 10 missed tackles in film study. 

 

Get that cleaned up, and things might look a lot better for the D.

I agree.  I saw many missed tackles.  Especially, on 3rd down.  I think if you would take away the missed tackles the defensive performance looks a little better.  Not great, but better.  The bright spot is the Packers still won with a crappy defensive performance.  Good teams do that.  This is a good team that can get even better.

Originally Posted by Goalline:
 

Aaron Rodgers is our best run defender.

In essense, yes.

 

In a perfect world, Thompson can "pick his poison" by not spending a lot of resources on run defense. By loading up the dangerous and often quick-strike offense, in theory the Packers can get the ball, score, force ONE opposing drive stall, get the ball back, score again and put the opposition in a hole where they need to try and score faster, all but abandoning the run. 

 

The fly in the ointment is the Packers don't often have the ball first (they defer, which has its own reasoning) so teams get the ball first and have a chance to grind out a long first drive, score and even if the Packers score they can rinse/repeat and shorten the game considerably.

 

If all goes to plan then the opposition needs to make one stop to start the second half to keep their running game going.

 

Luckily for us, Rodgers and the offense are good enough that any time the Packers do get a defensive stop, scoring on that opening second-half drive  often puts the other team in an "Oh **** we have to score, and quickly" position.  Say hello to the ball-hawking d-backs and rotational pass rushers teeing off.         

Last edited by Herschel

Regarding Chicago being 11-17 on 3rd down conversions, if I recall correctly, many of them were 3rd and short, which is typically easy to do.

 

CHI 3rd down conversions

1 of 3 in Q1

7 of 8 in Q2 - the one stop ended up not factoring as the following play Sheilds was off-side on the FG.

 

In the 1st half they had

3-4  converted

3-6  sack

3-9  sack

3-3  converted

3-2  converted

3-5  failed  (Shields penalty on next play)

3-1  converted - TD

3-3  converted

3-5  converted

3-4  converted

3-10  Field Goal at end of half

 

More from Erik Baranczyk at Packers News

 

http://www.packersnews.com/sto...efense-run/72253000/

 

"When you break down the game video of Bears running back Matt Forte’s 141 yards rushing against the Packers, you see that the Packers didn’t have one issue, but different players breaking down at different times."

 

"Those plays weren’t bad scheme, they were just point-of-attack defenders losing one-on-one battles."

 

"That’s a sign that, at least for now, the Packers are short of difference makers whose play elevates everyone else on that side of the ball, at least in stopping the run. After Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers, the Packers don't have any game-changing defensive players."

 

 

"The tape also shows the problems mainly were individual errors, and not a shortcoming of the scheme or defensive play calling."

 

Originally Posted by MEl-Ka-Bong:

That is awsum to hear.  It means that these problems should go away with more time and coaching

Not necessarily, some of them will never be good enough

Packers typically shed about 15 guys each year

 

You can develop the players you have

And you can get better players

likely a mix of both.

Develop works better in-season

Replace works better offseason so they have time to assimilate

 

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