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T TimpranilloMember

There has been a lot of chatter this weekend about Rodgers, cap impacts, does he play out the contract, when does it make sense to move on, etc  So, let's lay this out for all. The data on AR's contract is here

The tl;dr summary:

His contract makes it virtually impossible to move him before the end of the 2021 season but makes pretty easy to move on after 2021/before 2022 season. I think this is all pointing to 2 more years of AR, a trade, and then handing the reins to Jordan Love in September of 2022, giving you at least more than a year before making a decision on extending Love to the team option 5th year, or a new deal.

Before 2020 season - impossible.

Release/trade before 6/1/20

  • $53.1M in dead cap for 2020
  • ($31M) in cap "savings" in 2020 (yeah NEGATIVE cap savings)

Release/trade after 6/1/20

  • $21.6M in dead cap in 2020, $31.5M in dead cap in 2021
  • $0M in cap savings in 2020

Neither one of these is happening, just presenting the data. There's nothing that indicates AR would demand a trade or hold out (other than braying of some media jackasses), but if he did, I think GB would have to just let him sit, as the impact to the cap is absolute murder

Before 2021 season - Also basically impossible.

Release/trade AR before 6/1/21

  • $38.3 in dead cap for 2021
  • $(1.1M) in cap savings in 2021

Release/trade AR after 6/1/21

  • $21.1M in dead cap in 2021, $17.2M in dead cap in 2022
  • $16M in cap savings in 2021


Again, both are basically impossible, but if we're looking at worst case scenario like Rodgers held out all of the 2020 season and things were just ugly, trading him post 6/1 would be slightly less crippling than anything prior to 6/1/21

Before 2022 season  - There's the out

Release/trade AR before 6/1/22

  • $17.2M in dead cap for 2022
  • $22.6M in cap savings in 2022

If you release/trade AR after 6/1/22

  • $14.3M in dead cap in 2022, $2.8M in dead cap in 2023
  • $25.5M in cap savings in 2022


And, here is where the option starts to present itself. The dead cap is not that bad and cap savings makes it a wash of sorts. Getting away from Rodgers at this point is not prohibitive cap wise, it saves GB a ton of cash (like $50M), and most importantly, if gives the Packers more time to evaluate Jordan Love in actual game action before deciding if they extend him beyond 4 years, be it the 5th year team option, or a new deal. I'd hate to have to make the call on a 5th year option, or more, with only a single "rookie" year under his belt. The decision I think will be "do you try and trade him before the 2022 draft and try to acquire picks for that year" or "we like the 2023 draft better so we'll trade him June 1st". I don't think the impact to dead cap/cap savings is substantial enough that it should color their opinion. It's gonna depend on which draft class management thinks is/will be better.   

Before 2023 season - Doesn't change much

  • $2.8M in dead cap in 2023
  • $25.5M in cap savings in 2023

Doesn't matter if this is pre/post 6/1.  And to me it's less about whether you pay him for the last year of his deal and it's more, If you let AR play out his contract, you'll have to make a decision on Love's 5th year without seeing him play live action.

Wrap Up

I'm not advocating moving on from Rodgers. I'm far more in the "if he returns to form I'd much rather he plays here until he wants to retire. But, seems very unlikely at this point to me that the Packers will try keeping him even the 4 remaining years of this contract.

He's here 2 years at a minimum. Anything beyond that makes it really hard to judge what you have with Love. Maybe that's not a big deal, maybe practice gives you everything you need to know, but I think you gotta see what you have before you start adding the 5th year or a new deal.

If you let AR play a 3rd season and then move on you've got only one year to evaluate Love in actual games.

If you let him play out the 4 year deal, you'll have to decide whether to extend Love on a team option 5th year without any game time evaluation. Maybe you don't care.

Tough spot, but this is the corner they've painted themselves in to. To me, the need to have more than one year evaluation of Love + the money savings + the opportunity for a trade that bags you a ton, points a trade before the 2022 season.

This move was probably a year earlier than you'd really want, but if you truly believe Love is a franchise guy, it makes all the sense in the world. Personally, I don't, but I'm not an NFL talent evaluator. I think his ceiling is Jay Cutler - looks the part, has the arm, but makes back breaking killer mistakes far too often.

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I hope Love doesn't see the field for two years other than lots and lots of mop up duty with 30 point 4th quarter leads.  I'd hope the team could still get a lot of evaluation out of him at that point.  

More likely is that Rodgers gets dinged up more than once and we see snippets of Love sooner than later.  

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Hub Arkush of Pro Football Weekly was on this morning and said it is well known throughout the NFL that Matt LaFleur is amongst the best, if not the best, in correcting and revising QB Mechanics. In fact, he apparently tweaked Matt Ryan's the year he won the MVP and Ryan also credits him with that. 

One of J-Lo's primary issue is just that. "Looping wind up" is one of his weaknesses, holding onto the ball too long, pocket awareness, etc. If in fact MLF is one of the best coaches at correcting the above and Love is teachable, this bodes pretty well for the Packers.

It unfortunately does not for AR.

My guess? Number 10 is the starting QB for the Packers in September, 2022. The Packers arrange for a trade to the Broncos for a 2nd round pick. It would be Elway's Manning dream scenario 2.0 and the Packers ship Rodgers to an AFC opponent they will almost never see. 

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I guess the 'out' situation, still costs 17m unless some team picks the whole thing up and we can make a trade.  this could be handled by not making the pick...they either mis-calculated the pick, ie: should have NOT made the pick or mis-calculated making 12's money for a longer term.  they also converted some $ to guaranteed to get cap savings, i can't remember if that affected the overall term or anything...the team screwed that up one way or the other.  if they could have even 'sniffed' there would be a good crop of qb's coming into the draft in the next few years, why extend 12 at all? just use the franchise tag after his contract runs out...that would actually make sense to me and gives us a 'direction' on wtf they are doing.

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@PackerPatrick posted:

Bad Bob strikes again.

https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...f-aaron-rodgers-act/

Likewise, McGinn believes that Rodgers was “difficult to coach” last year and that he will be “even more difficult to coach” if the team shifts its offense to a run-based attack in 2020.

He's not even an active reporter with the ability to talk to "sources" he could previously pull out of his ass when he was employed with JsOnline. He knows no more of this then any of us do. 

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They don't want him to "return to form" they want him to run their fucking offense the way they want it run. If he does that, they think they have a chance to win another championship. If he doesn't it's going to be some close-but-no-cigar seasons from here on out.

If #12 is the pro he purports himself to be, he will work with the staff and honor their wishes and run the offense as they want it run. If he does that, they have a real shot at winning a title.

Last year vs the Whiners (twice) should show Aaron how much an unstoppable running game can help you win.

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Marcedes Lewis.  

With Jennings, Nelson and Adams, there was never a good reason for TT to take a WR in the first.  I'd say 2019 and 2020 were probably the only drafts since about 2006 that it would have made sense to draft a first round WR, when Jennings was drafted in the second.  And if I remember right, Packer fans wanted Chad Jackson with that pick....

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We took Jennings in the 2nd round in 2006. We could have drafted Vernon Davis at TE, though, instead of AJ Hawk, in the 1st. We also took Abdul Hodge in the 3rd, doubling down at linebacker, which didn't work. The one pro-bowler we missed out on in the third round was Jason Hatcher, who had a decent career on the D-line.

We also doubled down on O-line, taking Darren Colledge, and Jason Spitz. 

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Packers traded out of the 1st and drafted Jordy early in the 2nd, 36th player drafted overall. He could have easily been a 1st but TT went for more picks.  He was the 3rd WR taken in the draft. The other 2 were Donnie Avery and  Devin Thomas.  Who the hell are they??   It also means the Vikings passed him over too.  

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@MNPackman posted:

Here's a nice column by Andrew Brandt that sums the situation up well:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/04...mp;utm_medium=social

Key passage that may be some insight into the front office and coaching staff’s point of view: 

“There is one parallel that is important here. In the later years of Brett’s tenure, I sensed a feeling around our personnel department that there was, well, too much emphasis on Brett and not enough on our team. I just noticed that when fans and media constantly marveled about Brett, they felt it was ignoring all the work put in by our team as a whole. Current Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst was part of that scouting department then and my sense, from afar, is the same feeling exists in that building now. It is a dynamic in team sports that happens far more than people know, currently on display in the The Last Dance documentary about Michael Jordan’s last season with the Bulls. Scouts, while marveling at the talent of their superstars, get much more excited about seeing their “hidden gems” succeed than they do about stars doing what they are expected to do.”

Its going to be interesting... Rodgers is a smart guy. I’m willing to wager he sees the dynamics and is willing to zig to avoid ruining his legacy. To not be Favre. He’s spent a career taking hits making sure he’s not like Favre. Wouldn’t it be something if Rodgers checks all the boxes and goes out like Elway did? 

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If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12.  It truly does and I don't think many remember what the Packers QB situation was like before #4 and #12.

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

So my guess?  The Packers do NOT trade or release AR anytime soon because of of the cap hit and I don't think Gute/MLF will do it unless they know for sure they have the heir apparent whether that's Love or someone else. 

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@pkr_north posted:

I guess the 'out' situation, still costs 17m unless some team picks the whole thing up and we can make a trade.  this could be handled by not making the pick...they either mis-calculated the pick, ie: should have NOT made the pick or mis-calculated making 12's money for a longer term.  they also converted some $ to guaranteed to get cap savings, i can't remember if that affected the overall term or anything...the team screwed that up one way or the other.  if they could have even 'sniffed' there would be a good crop of qb's coming into the draft in the next few years, why extend 12 at all? just use the franchise tag after his contract runs out...that would actually make sense to me and gives us a 'direction' on wtf they are doing.

There's always a good crop of QBs coming out. 3 first round QBs are about the norm. Sometimes 4 and occasional 5 but there are also 2 and sometimes 1 or none.

The real question is if you can get one of the guys you like, especially if you are picking later int he round.

I suspect that the Packers didn't think Love would be in range when they picked at 30. I saw some rankings of him in the teens overall. To see him at 26 they probably said, WTF, that's value and moved up and got him. Not much more strategy beyond that. You take the players where they fall and if you see value on your board you try to make it happen.

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@The Heckler posted:

If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12.  It truly does and I don't think many remember what the Packers QB situation was like before #4 and #12.

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

So my guess?  The Packers do NOT trade or release AR anytime soon because of of the cap hit and I don't think Gute/MLF will do it unless they know for sure they have the heir apparent whether that's Love or someone else. 

I haven't seen many, if any, fans saying they want to move on from him. Laying out what is gonna happen doesn't mean they want that to happen, it's just acknowledging that in the NFL, that's how things work.

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@The Heckler posted:

If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12. 

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

 

I think some fans do, but most don't. Chongo posted it above, the front office and the HC want Aaron to run the offense as designed, but its hard when you've been free-lancing at an elite level for so long.

When AR was first playing, MM said: "He isn't averse to throwing boring passes"
That was a shot at Favray and his improvisational style- the same style that made him exciting to watch AND drove Holmgren/Sherman nuts.

Now we're seeing the same thing with AR, he's so used to running the show, he chafes under the yoke of running the offense exactly the way MLF drew it up.

And in many cases, the changes AR makes at the LOS got GB out of a lousy play call and MLF has acknowledged as much. MLF is a novice play caller, while AR is a maestro at the LOS.  AR covered up lots of MLF whiffs too - but all the rhetoric is focused only around the plays AR left on the field ( which he did)

As far as the weapons thing, I really think that's overblown. Rodgers-Adams-Jones is a spectacular set of triplets and all you really need are some complimentary pieces.
The media pounded it into everyone's brains MUST HAVE MOAR WRs and so that became the central talking point for months - especially with the large number of WRs available. But this is MLFs offense and its not a WR -centric attack. Part of the reason for that is that the match-ups are better at TE vs LB than WR vs CB

MM offense flooded the field with WRs and won match-ups because our 4th WR was always better than the opponents 4th CB. MLF chooses different match-ups to exploit, hence the investment in TEs and RBs. Its a different approach and fans haven't caught up to it yet, they're still living in WR -World.
Hence all the unhappiness post-draft

IMO Rodgers has plenty of weapons, he just needs to run the offense that MLF spent his career refining. GB was 3 points/ game away from being a Top 10 offense and 5 pts/ game away from being a Top 5 offense.
A few tweaks here and there and a RB who can close out games...
GB offense will be a top performer in 2020 with the roster they have

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@Timpranillo posted:

I haven't seen many, if any, fans saying they want to move on from him. Laying out what is gonna happen doesn't mean they want that to happen, it's just acknowledging that in the NFL, that's how things work.

Definitely not many in this forum that is for sure because we are the smart Packers fans.  I have noticed it quite a bit on social media which I know I should take with a grain of salt that's for damn sure. 

Satori, GREAT point about the fans haven't gotten used to the different style of offense the Packer use now vs. what we had with MM for all those years.  

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@AtTheMurph posted:

There's always a good crop of QBs coming out. 3 first round QBs are about the norm. Sometimes 4 and occasional 5 but there are also 2 and sometimes 1 or none.

The real question is if you can get one of the guys you like, especially if you are picking later int he round.

I suspect that the Packers didn't think Love would be in range when they picked at 30. I saw some rankings of him in the teens overall. To see him at 26 they probably said, WTF, that's value and moved up and got him. Not much more strategy beyond that. You take the players where they fall and if you see value on your board you try to make it happen.

Interesting because Sam Farmer, LA Times NFL writer, saw him falling out of the first round.

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@The Heckler posted:

Anyhow, it is only my personal opinion but I think that Rodgers never lost his form but he is running a different system that is way more balanced than MM's and he also doesn't have the weapons he needs right now.   

So my guess?  The Packers do NOT trade or release AR anytime soon because of of the cap hit and I don't think Gute/MLF will do it unless they know for sure they have the heir apparent whether that's Love or someone else. 

I've had the same opinion about Rodgers until just recently.

Now that we don't have live sports to watch my DVR is recording all broadcast Packers games. And it seems that the 2009 and 2010 season have been pretty well represented. I think I've seen 4 or 5 in the past couple of weeks.

One thing i will tell you is that Rodgers is not nearly the same player that he was. He doesn't drive the ball anywhere near what he used to do and isn't nearly as accurate.

The dude was incredible. The throws were spectacular, spot on, fast and hard. He'd get into windows that were minuscule. His throws on slants and posts were things of beauty. I just don't see that same arm and I don't see the same accuracy. And it's not a small change either.

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@The Heckler posted:

If baffles me the amount of Packers fans who want to move on from #12.  It truly does and I don't think many remember what the Packers QB situation was like before #4 and #12....

 

Not just you, Heck', I've read and heard so much after the draft about ARod, the Packers, and future plans for them both. Right now, the consensus is one of them moves on in 2 years, and Love will be the man from then on.

And it only took 3 days to figure all this out! Why, it's so easy....

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@michiganjoe posted:

Favre also had an interview on Monday where he apparently re-wrote history and talked about how he helped and mentored Aaron as a rookie. Those concussions have likely caught up to Bert because those who listened to the interview and remember Favre's cold shoulder to young AR certainly remember it far differently. Likely Rodgers does as well. 

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No question- he’s declining. The deep ball certainly is the most noticeable decline- he underthew a LOT of deep balls last year. And if you’re running a power run game to draw defenders into the box, you will get a lot of big vertical strike opportunities. 

But it maybe it’s his knee- his mechanics had to be all sorts of fucked up while he was playing on one leg- and as smart as he is, this possibility (even probability) can’t escape him as a source for his decline in play. There will be no shortage of subplots this coming season... 

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@Satori posted:

IMO Rodgers has plenty of weapons, he just needs to run the offense that MLF spent his career refining. GB was 3 points/ game away from being a Top 10 offense and 5 pts/ game away from being a Top 5 offense.
A few tweaks here and there and a RB who can close out games...
GB offense will be a top performer in 2020 with the roster they have

And #1 in WR separation.  Bullshit.  This team needs a legit #2.

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@Henry posted:

 Bullshit.  This team needs a legit #2.

Yes, and his name is Equinimeous St. Brown and he's already on the roster

EQ's a better WR in 2020 than all but a few of the WR's that fans were lathered up for in the draft. He's a top athlete, he's been in the system for 2 years, he's in tip top shape and he won't be negatively impacted by the abbreviated offseason like a rookie would. WRs often come into their own in year 3, he's in year 3

https://www.mockdraftable.com/...equanimeous-st-brown

He's also proven himself on the field and in the classroom.
Here's a couple of highlights with YAC, RAC and even a CRACK to end the video

 

The throw vs the 9ers in 2018 was with the game on the line and he makes a spectacular catch and gets out of bounds to stop the clock with 15 seconds left, allowing GB to get in position to win the game.

QB1 trusts the guy in crunch time, that's huge for a young WR.

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I am also hopeful EQ is a legit #2...problem is, we've got a bunch of WR in the same mold. We could have really used someone more in the Cobb or Gerg mold to round out this unit. Funchess, EQ, Lazard, MVS...all kinda the same dude. Outside of 17, we just don't have an explosive guy.

But, that said, few rookie WR make an explosive impact in their first year.

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It’s gonna be really funny in 3 years when GB flips Jordan Love for a high 1st rounder and re-signs Rodgers into his 40’s. Manufactured drama is dumb...GB wants Aaron Rodgers until he doesn’t want to be in GB anymore or until he hangs it up. Murphy isn’t going to allow the summer of 2008 to happen again and if he allows it then he should be fired. GB was tired of Brett’s retirement bullshit, Aaron won’t waffle and they won’t take a hard stance with him like they did Brett. 

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SatoriSatori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"
@Henry posted:

I hopes you right.  I like EQ, he was doing some good stuff in the slot but he's still a wait and see proposition.

Unlike all the rookie WR's who are a 100 % sure thing ?   


You'll eventually come around...with a name like this, he can't possibly suck

Equanimeous Tristan Imhotep J. St. Brown

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SatoriSatori"...going where the climate suits my clothes"
@Chongo posted:

I am also hopeful EQ is a legit #2...problem is, we've got a bunch of WR in the same mold. We could have really used someone more in the Cobb or Gerg mold to round out this unit. Funchess, EQ, Lazard, MVS...all kinda the same dude. Outside of 17, we just don't have an explosive guy.

But, that said, few rookie WR make an explosive impact in their first year.

Cobb is an Old Style slot, but MLF likes the bigger guys who can handle the pounding inside and are smart enough to handle the changes at the LOS.

When MLF was in ATL, he had Sanu in the slot. When MLF was in LA he had Cooper Kupp in the slot. Both of those are big WRs 6'2 and 200+
- not at all in the mold of the old slot WR.
Gute commented on his WR stable as well:

"I think generally smaller guys have a harder time staying healthy than bigger guys," Gutekunst said

On the explosion side, completely agree, there's always a need for that skillset

You mentioned something else- "they are all the same dude" and I sense that's the case for a lot of the fan base - which is why many are so dismissive of EQ.
But that cat can play.

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@Chongo posted:

Bert is just being the pot-stirring twat we've all come to know. 

Just because he and 12 have mended fences doesn't mean his corn-pone bullshit is any more sincere. Don't fool yourselves...he'd love nothing more than shit to go south between 12 and Gutenwhacker/MLF.

Move along here...nothing to see...

A quick glance at gossip haven PFT says all we need to know about what is driving this story. When 4-5 of your top 10 blog posts are GB/Rodgers/MLF/Love oriented, you know that milking this story for all it's worth will pay the bills, no matter how much BS you have to sling. GB was 8-3 and about to run the table on the reg season in 2019, and Florio was still insisting there was a feud destroying the locker room. Add to that the fact that quarantine has left outlets scraping the bottom of the barrel for something to talk about, and we get what we have here this week. Idc how Rodgers responds, or doesn't. If he insists on making it an issue, which I seriously doubt he will, he can follow the path of #4 and walk away with a shattered legacy. If nothing else, this will flush out where ppl stand, and continue proving that sports media needs to create drama where it doesn't exist.

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@artis posted:

Idc how Rodgers responds, or doesn't. If he insists on making it an issue, which I seriously doubt he will, he can follow the path of #4 and walk away with a shattered legacy. If nothing else, this will flush out where ppl stand, and continue proving that sports media needs to create drama where it doesn't exist.

If, or more likely when the Pack moves on from Rodgers after the 2021 season to allow, then 3rd year player, 2020 1st round pick Jordan Love his shot at QB Rodgers legacy will be pretty, pretty close to Favre's legacy.

Great QB who won 1 SB in his 14 years as a starting QB.

Then, the debate will ensue whether it was Rodgers who failed to lead the Pack to multiple Super Bowls or the Packer organization that failed to surround Rodgers with sufficient talent.

I think within the loyal fan base the former will win out.

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I think what’s key is it’s tough to round out your roster when you are paying the QB 15-20% of your cap.  

This is the concern I have with Rodgers.  I know that’s what the market rate is for decent QBs, but take a look at the highest paid QBs in the league.  Ryan, Stafford, Cousins, Goff, Rodgers.  All of those teams have flaws or holes in the roster.  And they can’t be filled unless you hit home runs in the draft or don’t miss at all on free agents. 

NFL teams are set up by where you draft a young QB and hope you nail it while they are still cheap and affordable.   Sometimes it works (like Mahomes) and sometimes it doesn’t (like Trubisky). 

Teams aren’t going to stop looking for the next young QB because once a QB obtains that big contract the team is on the clock and has to reset or be OK with being OK- sort of like what the Packers are dealing with now with Rodgers. Sure, they can make the playoffs but this isn’t a contending team.  Not with the question marks at WR and DL and LB and TE and probably OL.  

New England finally got there but take a look at the Rams.  Or the Seahawks from a few years ago when Wilson was younger.  I mean, they looked like they would be dynasties at the time.   The Rams are a mess and the Seahawks are nowhere near the Legion of Boom days.  Why?  The QB eats up too much cap space and you can’t fill out the roster accordingly because even Ron Wolf GM types (ie the best) aren’t perfect. 

The moment the Packers gave 12 that deal they were already thinking about how to move on in the future hence the Love pick.  Rodgers is a smart guy and he knows this.  He also knows that things don’t last forever.  Take a look at Manning, Rivers, Brady, Montana, Favre, etc.  Teams move on.  Some team will be willing to give 12 a shot even at that ridiculous salary knowing he’s probably half or two thirds the player he was in 2010-2011.  That player isn’t ever coming back folks.  And this roster isn’t good enough as assembled to get them over the hump until they clear cap space to add a few more players and free agents.  It also assumes in 2-3 years that Love is legit. 

This is much more of an 8-8 team than a 13-3 team we saw last year. 

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@Fandame posted:

It's times like these that you find out what a guy is really made of, if he's a pro's pro, and how he wants to be remembered. We'll see what comes out in Rodgers as time goes on... besides a lot of cliches!

Rodgers is a big picture thinker.  He’s concerned about global issues.  To think he’ll respond the same way as Favre is ridiculous. Favre has wide open empty space between his ears. Doesn’t mean I didn’t like him as a QB.  

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@PA green & gold posted:

Rodgers is a big picture thinker.  He’s concerned about global issues.  To think he’ll respond the same way as Favre is ridiculous. Favre has wide open empty space between his ears. Doesn’t mean I didn’t like him as a QB.  

I agree.  I don't know what's in AR's head but he sure seems like a guy who is a realist about his situation and truly cares about his legacy as a Packers QB. He knows the big picture and has said he is a realist about how long he can play and surely he heard the Gute quote that he would consider a QB high in the draft. 

As for Favre?  As if the media isn't bad enough (Floria is a Spermhead fan BTW) along comes Bert who once again seems petty with his vendetta against the Packers.   

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@Pakrz posted:

So GB should pin their hopes on a guy drafted at the end of the 6th round that has basically done nothing in the league and is coming off an injury that put him on IR. 

Solid plan indeed.

No shit. Equanamious St Ruvell Janis, at your service. Now, if you want to believe MVS had a "sophomore slump", that's probably a stretch as well, but at least there's more to go on.

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@Satori posted:

Yes, and his name is Equinimeous St. Brown and he's already on the roster

EQ's a better WR in 2020 than all but a few of the WR's that fans were lathered up for in the draft. He's a top athlete, he's been in the system for 2 years, he's in tip top shape and he won't be negatively impacted by the abbreviated offseason like a rookie would. WRs often come into their own in year 3, he's in year 3

https://www.mockdraftable.com/...equanimeous-st-brown

He's also proven himself on the field and in the classroom.
Here's a couple of highlights with YAC, RAC and even a CRACK to end the video

 

The throw vs the 9ers in 2018 was with the game on the line and he makes a spectacular catch and gets out of bounds to stop the clock with 15 seconds left, allowing GB to get in position to win the game.

QB1 trusts the guy in crunch time, that's huge for a young WR.

Ok I admit that the attached highlight real has some promising moments so I’ll give you that.  

I still think GB needed/needs to add a bonifide #2 guy to add to the offense.  Sure, AL and even EQ could develop into that legit guy but banking on it seems a bit of a stretch, especially at this point in AR’s career.  

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Good to review the EQ video. He's a little faster than I remembered, and he does have some shiftiness. Let's see if he can stay healthy and on the field. If he does work out to a No. 2, then fielding Adams, EQ, and Lazard as your top three is not a bad lineup -- not a Jordy/Cobb/Gerg lineup, but terrible. Your 4 is Funcheese and 5 is WWJ, MVS or some other acronym. 

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@Chongo posted:

Bert is just being the pot-stirring twat we've all come to know. 

Just because he and 12 have mended fences doesn't mean his corn-pone bullshit is any more sincere. Don't fool yourselves...he'd love nothing more than shit to go south between 12 and Gutenwhacker/MLF.

Move along here...nothing to see...

The funniest thing about Favre's statement is that he said something to the effect of "I can guarantee you this, and I don't know for sure, but I can guarantee...."  Lol.

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@Chongo posted:

Bert is a slapdick attention whore. People lap up his aww shucks corn-pone bullshit like it's ice cream. Trust nothing that comes out of his mouth that pertains to 1265.

Also, I don't think he and 12 are quite the 'ol pals Bert likes to think. I think they are friendly, but I don't think they are palling around.

Bert wants to create the scenario that would serve him best. Nothing more. Dragging the organization and helping AR come full circle could only help #4's legacy. Rodgers is probably at least 10 times smarter than Rube, so even if he felt a need for vindictiveness, he understands what a hypocrite that would make him in the public domain. Personally, I think Rodgers will come to camp and quite enjoy showing the rook just how good he still is, and possibly come to enjoy the unofficial process of mentoring. The players and organization can make what they choose out of this. They can allow the salacious media to steer the story, or come into camp ready to get after a ring. It's all within their control.

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@Pakrz posted:

I still think GB needed/needs to add a bonifide #2 guy to add to the offense.  

Don't disagree but from what I've been hearing the Pack liked Jefferson & Aiyuk both of them out of reach. 

The last player available in the Packer tier was the QB.....so they took their guy.

One last thought.....Fuck the Vikings from here to eternity.

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@artis posted:

... Personally, I think Rodgers will come to camp and quite enjoy showing the rook just how good he still is, and possibly come to enjoy the unofficial process of mentoring. The players and organization can make what they choose out of this. They can allow the salacious media to steer the story, or come into camp ready to get after a ring. It's all within their control.

I can see this happening. If Rodgers does that, he totally cements his legacy in GB and the NFL. There are so few QBs who mentor young players.

Here's what I can see happening: in the first year, Rodgers primarily shows Love what to do and how to do it but Love has to ask, and in games Rodgers is absolute dynamite. In the second year, Rodgers starts to help Love in diagnosing defenses, setting up plays, etc.; in other words, he becomes a teacher as well as a mentor. If Rodgers were to do that, he leaves GB as an absolute legend. 

Hey, a person can dream, right? 

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Given how this season has gone, the strength of the defense (no, seriously), and the overall team cohesion I would imagine Rodgers will now restructure. They will continue to be one of the few super bowl contenders for the duration of his career. I don't see him going to a rebuild team to try and make the playoffs a few times.

He'll either restructure or retire...

Unless Brady retires and TB goes all in again and tries to pick up Rodgers...

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How close was TB at the end of the regular season before they signed Brady?  I wasn't paying much attention to them and only remember crab legs being up and down at QB.  They did more in that offseason than just sign Brady so you'd have to look a little deeper for a team that is more than just a good QB away but maybe "one good offseason away" from SB contention.  I don't care enough to guess who that is but knowing how deep grudges run in AR makes me think he hasn't necessarily decided either way.

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