Rodgers / Jets (2024 version)

In general this fellow has quickly gone from being a hero to an idiot (or worse) and I know that is my predisposition in all things dealing with AR12. So I asked ChatGPT. Here is 4.o's answer:

• Contract Disputes and Drama: Rodgers has been involved in several high-profile contract disputes and disagreements with the Green Bay Packers management. These disputes have sometimes overshadowed the team and created unnecessary drama.

• Playoff Performance: Despite being one of the most talented quarterbacks in NFL history, Rodgers' playoff performances have not lived up to his potential in critical playoff games, leading to fewer Super Bowl appearances and wins than expected for a player of his caliber.

• Public Statements and Attitude: Rodgers has a reputation for making controversial public statements and exhibiting what some perceive as an aloof or arrogant attitude. This includes his blunt honesty in interviews and social media, which can be polarizing.

• Vaccine Controversy: In 2021, Rodgers faced significant backlash for his comments and actions regarding COVID-19 vaccination. He initially implied he was vaccinated but later revealed he was not, leading to accusations of being misleading and contributing to public health misinformation.

• Relationships with Teammates and Coaches: There have been reports of strained relationships between Rodgers and some of his teammates and coaches. Critics argue that this behavior can be detrimental to team cohesion and success

I hope we get to see him fail in all 6 of those prime-time games.

Will they pause the game and bring him the ball if he makes it past four plays?

@BrainDed posted:

I’d really like to see a full season from Rodgers.  Extremely curious to see how I view his game when he isn’t a Packer.

I think he'll look slow.  He looked slow his last season with us.  It was the first thing I noticed about the Eagles game Love came in, Love looked way faster in general.

Given he's coming off a major injury, has had an entire year out of football, and is going to turn 41 this year, while I'm sure there will be flashes of greatness like we are used to, I'm guessing it will be mostly obvious his time has passed.  Especially because he's never been a purely pocket passer, take the check downs type passer like Brady was.  Frankly his sandlot style is what got him injured last year.

@packfnz posted:

In general this fellow has quickly gone from being a hero to an idiot (or worse) and I know that is my predisposition in all things dealing with AR12. So I asked ChatGPT. Here is 4.o's answer:

• Contract Disputes and Drama: Rodgers has been involved in several high-profile contract disputes and disagreements with the Green Bay Packers management. These disputes have sometimes overshadowed the team and created unnecessary drama.

• Playoff Performance: Despite being one of the most talented quarterbacks in NFL history, Rodgers' playoff performances have not lived up to his potential in critical playoff games, leading to fewer Super Bowl appearances and wins than expected for a player of his caliber.

• Public Statements and Attitude: Rodgers has a reputation for making controversial public statements and exhibiting what some perceive as an aloof or arrogant attitude. This includes his blunt honesty in interviews and social media, which can be polarizing.

• Vaccine Controversy: In 2021, Rodgers faced significant backlash for his comments and actions regarding COVID-19 vaccination. He initially implied he was vaccinated but later revealed he was not, leading to accusations of being misleading and contributing to public health misinformation.

• Relationships with Teammates and Coaches: There have been reports of strained relationships between Rodgers and some of his teammates and coaches. Critics argue that this behavior can be detrimental to team cohesion and success

I hope we get to see him fail in all 6 of those prime-time games.

Who is we?  All the others he lives rent free in?

I hope he does well, he has been a great watch these many years.  

@ammo posted:

At least Rodgers makes a hell of a lot more sense than Harrison Butker.

I've said it several times, but when sportswriters say they want athletes to stand up for what they believe in, what's meant is that they want athletes to stand up for things they the sportswriters believe in, not things they the athletes believe in.

@Iowacheese posted:

Who is we?  All the others he lives rent free in?

I am he as you are he, as you are me and we are all together

@Iowacheese posted:

Who is we?  All the others he lives rent free in?

@Fedya posted:

I've said it several times, but when sportswriters say they want athletes to stand up for what they believe in, what's meant is that they want athletes to stand up for things they the sportswriters believe in, not things they the athletes believe in.

So you fully agree with what Butker said? 

@Goldie posted:

Why can’t he just shut the hell up???  

He and Bakhtiari are the Dystopian Dipshit Duo when they get the opportunity. I’d still like to see him with a full year as the Jets QB, though. That’s a very good team on paper and if they can hold it together could be a lot of fun to watch.

@ammo posted:

So you fully agree with what Butker said?

That's like saying only Communists thought the Hollywood blacklist was a bad thing.  Budd Schulberg, Oscar-winning screenwriter of On the Waterfront, named names, and said something afterward to the effect that the Communists only seemed to care about free speech as long as it was speech they agreed with.

I think it's fairly obvious we have a broad culture where if you espouse views the tastemakers (for lack of a better term) agree with, the response is "how dare anybody speak out against that".  If you're a soccer fan, you'll know that the whole point of the Gary Lineker kerfuffle last year was "free speech must not have consequences for those of us with goodthink".  But if you're a wrongthinker like Butker, or Aaron Rodgers with his coronavirus thoughtcrime, woe betide you.

I'd also point out that Harrison Butker is more Catholic than the current Pope, although these days that's a fairly low bar.

Bigotry should never be acceptable. 

@Tavis Smiley posted:

So was Trent Dilfer one year.

Say "15" Hail Marys for your penance

At least he didn’t shoot his pup.

What does Butker have to do with Rodgers?

@Dr._Bob posted:

Bigotry should never be acceptable.

I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.

@ammo posted:

At least Rodgers makes a hell of a lot more sense than Harrison Butker.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/16...lysis-cec/index.html

Sure would be fun to be at Chiefs training camp to see what happens between Butker and Kelce.

If Butker makes it to camp.

@Floridarob posted:

I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.

Of course.  No laws have been broken and he will now be subject to other people's right to express themselves, including the NFL and the Chiefs.

As somebody who served with NATO, enjoys science and is really more  petty than I would like to think...I hope Rodgers gets his smug, arrogant keister handed to him and I hope every man that has had 'relations' with Butker comes out to speak about them---That guy is the walking emblem of reaction formation. He'll be an example in Psychology text books for years to come.

@vitaflo posted:

I think he'll look slow.  He looked slow his last season with us.  It was the first thing I noticed about the Eagles game Love came in, Love looked way faster in general.

Given he's coming off a major injury, has had an entire year out of football, and is going to turn 41 this year, while I'm sure there will be flashes of greatness like we are used to, I'm guessing it will be mostly obvious his time has passed.  Especially because he's never been a purely pocket passer, take the check downs type passer like Brady was.  Frankly his sandlot style is what got him injured last year.

QBs who like getting out of the pocket need that speed to make it work. When they lose it, it's drastic. We saw it with Russ last year. He couldn't get out of the pocket consistently and it took away a huge part of his game. We'll see how Rodgers manages as a 40 year old QB coming back from a torn achilles.

Hit me yesterday when talking to a guy about his Falcons - why do we assume aging QBs are going to bounce back from a torn achilles in less than a year with no drop off? Is it really safe to assume that?

@Floridarob posted:

I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.

And we have a right to respond to the bigot and call him a f*cking moron so the world knows his views are not accepted by society so that his bigoted views do not spread. 

Do I agree with what Butkner said no I don't not at all but its his right.  But, then again I have lived my life not giving two shits what athletes opinion are and will continue to do so. 

Anyhow, back to Rodgers I agree with CUPackfan that everyone just assumes that a 40 year old QB behind a so-so OL is going to not miss a beat.  Could he? sure he could but I think the odds are against him. 

@CUPackFan posted:

Hit me yesterday when talking to a guy about his Falcons - why do we assume aging QBs are going to bounce back from a torn achilles in less than a year with no drop off? Is it really safe to assume that?

I think it's because people do not see them as injured and old.  They see them as the players they were.  Look at all the "big name" free agents every year that fans get excited about getting, but teams don't because they are past their prime.  It's why the Packers move on two years too early instead of two years too late.  It pisses off the player but it (usually) works.

This might end better for Cousins than Rodgers since Cousins has never been a mobile QB.  But when you're an old QB the dropoff can be drastic and fast.  Peyton and Brees both had noodle arms in their last seasons and they had two of the best arms ever.

I think there's way too much optimism regarding the Jets in general.

Reggie White was considered a bigot for the comments he made about Asians. But do I believe Reggie was a bigot?  Absolutely not. I just think his delivery of that message was horrible and I bet he wished he had a do over of that event.

@The Heckler posted:

Do I agree with what Butkner said no I don't not at all but its his right.  But, then again I have lived my life not giving two shits what athletes opinion are and will continue to do so.

Anyhow, back to Rodgers I agree with CUPackfan that everyone just assumes that a 40 year old QB behind a so-so OL is going to not miss a beat.  Could he? sure he could but I think the odds are against him.

I mean, what could go wrong having Nathaniel Hackett coordinate the offense?

Of all the dysfunction on that Jets team, that has to be the craziest example. It's recently come out that the Jets had been trying to hire someone to come in a more senior coaching position to be the one to actually coordinate the offense. But that Hackett would still be there. They ended not hiring anyone because they figured that Rodgers would ignore most of the stuff Hackett called and do what he wanted to do anyway.

That sure sounds like a recipe for success.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/spor...s%20in%20his%20role.

But as the Jets thought about their offense throughout the offseason, Hackett leading the charge wasn’t always the vision. New York made, ‘legitimate attempts,’ to hire a candidatethat would essentially be the offensive coordinator’s replacement, via Connor Hughes of SNY.

The Jets weren’t necessarily searching for a new offensive coordinator. Instead, they wanted to hire someone who would work above Hackett, ‘running the show,’ for the offense. Ultimately, New York decided not to pursue those plans as Hackett remains in his role.

But even as the offensive coordinator, Hackett hasn’t always had full control of the offense. Throughout his first offseason with the Jets, Rodgers oftentimes changed Hackett’s play call at the line of scrimmage, Hughes confirmed. New York is seemingly relying on Rodgers being able to execute that gameplan over an entire season.

Hackett's talent is as an offensive specialist - he had responsibility for the red zone offense ( which became the Gold Zone). He was responsible for 3rd down offense too and in both areas the Packers excelled. His contributions were reaping results

When he was allowed to focus on one small area and innovate - he had something to offer and so long as you had MLF and AR running the show it was a well-tuned machine.

But as soon as Hackett was responsible for the bigger picture, his limitations became obvious. He's also a bit of a goofball, which is part of the allure for Rodgers - but that doesn't work as HC in Denver and it doesn't work as OC in NYJ.

Both times that Hackett was promoted upwards, his new teams tried to find him some professional support. Denver hired 2 extra coaches to assist the guy and now the Jets tried to do the same. Yikes.

@Johnson posted:

As somebody who served with NATO, enjoys science and is really more  petty than I would like to think...I hope Rodgers gets his smug, arrogant keister handed to him and I hope every man that has had 'relations' with Butker comes out to speak about them---That guy is the walking emblem of reaction formation. He'll be an example in Psychology text books for years to come.

Maybe Rodgers can be a sports commentator on television for Russia Today after he retires.

@vitaflo posted:

I think it's because people do not see them as injured and old.  They see them as the players they were.  Look at all the "big name" free agents every year that fans get excited about getting, but teams don't because they are past their prime.  It's why the Packers move on two years too early instead of two years too late.  It pisses off the player but it (usually) works.

This might end better for Cousins than Rodgers since Cousins has never been a mobile QB.  But when you're an old QB the dropoff can be drastic and fast.  Peyton and Brees both had noodle arms in their last seasons and they had two of the best arms ever.

Look no farther than the NBA playoffs this year for examples of this. There are 7 teams left. The best players on those teams are Edwards (22 years old), SGA (25), Tatum (26), Brunson (27), Haliburton (24), Doncic (25), and Jokic (29). Even the second best players on those teams are mostly younger guys - KAT (28), Jamal Murray (27), Holmgren (22), Jaylen Brown (27), and Anunoby (26). The only exceptions are really Kyrie (33) and Pascal Siakam (30).

Then look at the two best guys on the good teams that got eliminated - often because guys are out or dinged up. Lebron (39), AD (an old 31), Steph (36), Klay (34), Dame (33), Durant (35), Beal (30), Embiid (30 with knees that look like he's 70), Kawhi (32), Harden (34), Paul George (34), Butler (34), Giannis (29 with heavy mileage). Those 13 guys make about 600 million a year among them.

The right type of QB (and maybe some lineman) can play at a high level longer, but WRs, DBs, and RBs are almost never good financial investments after about age 28 or 30. They can be very good investments on minimum contracts, but most stars egos won't allow them to take less money to play on better teams (and you can't blame them for trying to cash out as they get older).

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

I mean, what could go wrong having Nathaniel Hackett coordinate the offense?

Of all the dysfunction on that Jets team, that has to be the craziest example. It's recently come out that the Jets had been trying to hire someone to come in a more senior coaching position to be the one to actually coordinate the offense. But that Hackett would still be there. They ended not hiring anyone because they figured that Rodgers would ignore most of the stuff Hackett called and do what he wanted to do anyway.

That sure sounds like a recipe for success.

I can see a lot going wrong with the Jets offense.  I am really not convinced there is a huge amount of talent there on that side of the ball still.  Decent maybe but will Rodger elevate that offense?  they could be better but I am not sold on it.

I can definitely see this year being a case of Rodgers doing what he wants to do anyhow no matter what system is put in place and what plays are called.  Its in his DNA to try and be the smartest guy in the room.

If they don’t fix that OL it will be a long season. Regardless of the skill position tallant.

It will be interesting to see how the offense performs with Hackett as OC and a HC that isn't calling the plays. I'm guessing Rodgers will just run the offense and ignore Hackett on half his calls.

@Floridarob posted:

Reggie White was considered a bigot for the comments he made about Asians. But do I believe Reggie was a bigot?  Absolutely not. I just think his delivery of that message was horrible hilarious.

FTFY

@Dr._Bob posted:

Bigotry should never be acceptable.

Apparently Sufferinginmn thinks bigotry should be acceptable.

@MichiganPacker2 posted:

New York is seemingly relying on Rodgers being able to execute that gameplan over an entire season.

I can't wait to see ol #8 Joe Willie Rodgers try to squeeze a throw into a tight window to Lazard while Wilson is streaking down the sideline wide effing open. It's gonna be epic

Unless......

He stops getting bored making the easy throw.

@ilcuqui posted:

If they don’t fix that OL it will be a long season. Regardless of the skill position tallant.

The offensive line should be pretty decent, to be fair. Tyron Smith and Morgan Moses are good bookends, and (unlike last year) they have potentially solid depth with Olu Fashanu and Carter Warren behind them. Simpson, Vera-Tucker and Tippmann are a solid interior  and Max Mitchell's a solid swing.

@Koopla Krash posted:

What does Butker have to do with Rodgers?

Ammo wants to talk politics again. But if someone shares an opposing view he will go running to Daddy for the ban hammer.  

@Floridarob posted:

I agree but Bigots should have a right to say what they want and I have the right not to listen to it or read it.

Sounds reasonable.   You fascist pig!!!!