Rodgers Wants A New Contract?

I've got a name for you.  Aaron Rodgers.  Holds a bit more weight than the other "pawns". 

Tell me how that QB room is going to look if the FO clowns piss on Rodgers head? You know what?  He absolutely could retire and not think twice about it.   

It's even funnier you go into this whole image thing.  What?  You know exactly how many people that matters to on the playing field?  None.  Exactly no one.

Oh yeah, "they'll burn him to the ground".  That's my favorite.  Yes, they'll destroy Rodgers when he forces a trade.  Because as we all know, when you have 25 to 30 teams that would fucking drop everything to find a way to trade for a HOF QB, you have no leverage.  We also know that out sized talent on the scale of Rodgers has never forced a trade and brought down a locker room after being pissed on. 

Who exactly is going to "burn him to the ground"?

Christ.

I’m glad we have Love

All you need is Love?

Love is a battlefield

Love Stinks

I thought Love Hurts.

@Tschmack posted:

.....he can pull a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson

That works for Watson,  as the Guv is clearly into that sorta thing. Wilson, I’m thinking, not so much.

I think the "fear" is if/when ARod retires, or is traded, that it will be similar to how Starr's time in Green Bay ended... and it took the team another 20 years to find a  QB capable of winning.
Because of that, everyone wants to know what's the deal with Love right now! so they can determine the direction of the team will take. Do they extend Rodgers? For how many years? Let him finish his contract, or make a trade?
Is Love any good? Is he ready? Is he capable of leading the team? Do you commit your future to him, or do you always keep options open?

I wouldn't blame Rodgers for wanting to know what his future is with the team; I think anyone in his position would. Likewise, I don't blame the team for doing what they think is best to keep the team viable well into the future.

It's a tough business, but I could never imagine it getting ugly and bitter.

Did anyone think Bert would force his way out like he did?   I didn’t.  Do I think Rodgers would orchestrate a similar move?   I don’t think so, but I also wouldn’t hold my breath.  

Now that he’s gotten engaged and has hinted at starting a family he may just decide to up and retire.  He’s stated many times that he has plans after football and who knows?   Maybe he goes sooner than later.

It’s all good for clicks and ratings and theater, but we’ll see where it goes.  

@El-Ka-Bong posted:

Love is a battlefield

Is this coming from you or BK? Or Coach via Boris via BK?

Straight from Dionne Warwick.

Edit:  Meh, could've been better. 

@Tschmack posted:

Did anyone think Bert would force his way out like he did?   I didn’t.  Do I think Rodgers would orchestrate a similar move?   I don’t think so, but I also wouldn’t hold my breath.  

Now that he’s gotten engaged and has hinted at starting a family he may just decide to up and retire.  He’s stated many times that he has plans after football and who knows?   Maybe he goes sooner than later.

It’s all good for clicks and ratings and theater, but we’ll see where it goes.  

In all seriousness, the week that Rodgers spends as a guest host on Jeopardy in April may become important in all this. I'm not saying he's going to be the guy that replaces Alex Trebek, but if he comes off well he could really set himself up to be a guy with a place in the media or entertainment world (if he hasn't already).

If he ends up being good on camera, he might eventually be looking at a Tony Romo-like role. What better job could anyone have than Tony Romo? 20 million a year to take 20 3-day trips a year to talk to players for an afternoon leading up to the game and then call a game? 20 million for that is a lot better gig than 40 million to get hit a lot by 300-pound guys at age 40.

If he ends up being wooden and awkward on camera, then he's not ever going to be a candidate for a Romo-like position and it makes it likely he'll want to play even longer.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Straight from Dionne Warwick.

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Fuck this...

Whatever happens now, unless they win another title with Rodgers, Gutey's entire future in Green Bay will come down to whether Jordan Love is actually good (and he probably has to be great).

If they move on from Rodgers after this year and Love is just an average QB or worse (even as good as an Andy Dalton, Ryan Fitzpatrick type), they will have potentially forced out a HOF QB 2-3 years early because Gutey fell in love with a QB that had a good junior year in college and then tanked as a senior (we can debate why and if it was Love's fault, but there is no question he looked bad).

If they do keep Rodgers around and he stays healthy for another 3-4 years without doing anything with Love, they will have spent a 1st and a 4th round pick to have a guy carry a clipboard instead of using those picks on guys that could have made them more of a threat to win a title.

It's a lot different than TT drafting Rodgers. Favre had already talked about retiring for several years, the Packers were coming off a wild-card game loss and weren't a real Super Bowl threat, and TT didn't go into the draft prioritizing getting Rodgers. A guy that was a candidate to be the top pick fell to the 24th pick. I wasn't thrilled with the pick back then, but I understood the thought process.

If the Packers stayed put at #30 in last year's draft and Love fell there, I would have also understood that thought process. It's not like having a good backup QB isn't important. However, Gutey clearly thought that Jordan Love gave them a better chance to win over the next 4 years than Rodgers and targeted him when he had the chance.

The most interesting scenario in all this is if Love has to play this year in a meaningful situation. Let's say Rodgers gets dinged up and has to miss 2-3 weeks with a muscle strain or from going into the concussion protocol. If Love comes in and stinks, Gutey has a huge problem on his hands. If Love comes in and looks like Rodgers against the Cowboys in 2007, then Gutey is in the driver's seat and will likely get good compensation for whichever player he decides to trade.

This game was fun the first time around, glad we're playing it again!!

A late 30s Aaron Rodgers is not going to become less of an injury risk. That's the reason I haven't generated any angst over Love's drafting. Lack of a competent backup at this most important position derailed 2 seasons when AR was hurt. So they saw a guy with what they see as NFL starter potential available for less $ than a proven backup would command.

I will be surprised if Love becomes the 3rd in a quarterbacking dynasty but also surprised if ARod doesn't miss a few games over the next 3 years.

Give him a new contract. The guy deserves to be the highest paid player in the game. Even over Mahomes. When he signed the curreent deal, he wanted some escalators that took into account the increasing contracts of QBs. The league would not sanction that. So give it to him without a bunch of BS. It is going to be sad when this guy leaves. Let him leave when he has had enough. He has earned that right and the way he has handled everything from Favre to MCcarthy to Lafluer has been better than we as fans could have wanted.

If AR stays around another 3 or 4 years and they win 1 or more Owls, who gives a fuck about Love and 2 picks?

If they force AR out 2-3 years before he is done and Love is average but they win 1 or more Owls with a staunch defense, who gives a fuck about Love and 2 picks?

Appears there is a growing list of candidates for the Max Award - these days I'm an Aaron Rodgers fan first.

That's a point I didn't consider, grignon.  Although as far as a competent backup,  I think Boyle may have been that, maybe more.  He just never got a chance to show us.

@H5 posted:

If AR stays around another 3 or 4 years and they win 1 or more Owls, who gives a fuck about Love and 2 picks?

If they force AR out 2-3 years before he is done and Love is average but they win 1 or more Owls with a staunch defense, who gives a fuck about Love and 2 picks?

Appears there is a growing list of candidates for the Max Award - these days I'm an Aaron Rodgers fan first.

My only point is this.  You have at least try just once to throw the damn kitchen sink at the situation why Rodgers is playing at an absurd level.  Just for one fucking year quit drafting projects and leaving huge damn holes in other areas of the team.

Yes, you may suck for a couple years after but that's when you build your new shiny team around Love, just like TT did with Rodgers.

Just fucking do it Gunt.  You win another Super Bowl and no one will give a shit when you cut Rodgers loose or have to rebuild.

If you've ever wondered what its like to have a wicked case of diaper rash, I can recommend this thread as a surrogate.

Apparently, its quite painful

@Thunderbird posted:

That's a point I didn't consider, grignon.  Although as far as a competent backup,  I think Boyle may have been that, maybe more.  He just never got a chance to show us.

I think Boyle's a nice story but there's zero information on how well he'd perform as a starting QB.

Yes, the team spoke glowingly about him but they generally don't bad mouth their backups, even after they've shown they're over matched.  Scott Tolzien, Seneca Wallace, Brett Hundley, Deshone Kizer- just to remind you how frequently low the range goes, even if Matt Flynn trends to the high end of the scale.

How do you throw the kitchen sink at this current team?   They’ve basically restructured everyone other than Rodgers and they are right up against the cap.  

Rodgers is the highest paid player in the league this year.   Is he willing to take a pay cut or restructure (again)?   I don’t know.  But it’s not like they can free up a ton of cap space to sign several free agents.

On the other hand, they do have 10 picks this year.  Going “all in” could mean they trade up for a real impact player or two.  But are they truly one or two players away?   They need at least one decent DE that’s not named Lancaster or Lowry.  They need at least one starting CB or a really good nickel CB.  They need an ILB desperately.   And they likely need an OT.

If AR stays around another 3 or 4 years and they win 1 or more Owls, who gives a fuck about Love and 2 picks?

I do, because the picks could have been used on players that contribute to that owl and, more importantly, could even contribute PAST the 3 or 4 years.   Winning the owl does not justify trading up in the 1st round and using those picks for an insurance policy that you never cash in.    That's bad management.  The only way Gute looks good with this is if he has to cash in his insurance policy and nobody is rooting for that.

I wouldn't give him an extension.  His current contract runs 3 more years, through 2023 when he turns 40.  All bets are off on 40 year old QBs.  Yeah you have Tom Brady but that's about it.  Favre had 1 great season out of his last three.  Brees was hanging on but he was not the same QB these last two years and definitely not worth $30m per year.

What should happen: turn $12m of his salary this year to a signing bonus (freeing up $8m of cap room in 2021) and turn $20m of his salary in 2022 into a signing bonus next March (freeing up $6m of cap room in 2022 ($10m from the restructure in 2022 offset by $4m signing bonus proration from the 2021 restructure).  Have him play those two years out and then seriously evaluate Rodgers vs. Love.  If Love has not progressed, you keep Rodgers in 2023 at a $43m cap hit.  That's high but with the new TV deal kicking in, the cap should increase significantly.  If Love has progressed to a point where you want to move on from Rodgers, cutting him is a $15m dead cap hit which isn't ideal, but is what it is.

IMO, you just can't be held hostage by a QB who's contract runs through a season where he turns 40.  Maybe Rodgers still has it at 40 but odds say his play will start dropping off within these next 3 years and it will be quick.  Remember, Peyton Manning was the MVP in 2013 at age 37.  Two season later at age 39, you could argue that Brock Osweiler was playing better than him on the field (what he brought in leadership and command of the offense was another matter).  I just look at how the Saints and Steelers held on to Brees and Roethlisberger and those two teams told themselves they were contenders, but they aren't.  I don't want the Packers following that path.

@BrainDed posted:

If AR stays around another 3 or 4 years and they win 1 or more Owls, who gives a fuck about Love and 2 picks?

I do, because the picks could have been used on players that contribute to that owl and, more importantly, could even contribute PAST the 3 or 4 years.   Winning the owl does not justify trading up in the 1st round and using those picks for an insurance policy that you never cash in.    That's bad management.  The only way Gute looks good with this is if he has to cash in his insurance policy and nobody is rooting for that.

BrainDed to Gute in 2035: You won 10 Super Bowls, but you screwed up on that one player. I will never forgive you. [POUT]

I don't care if they restructure his contract or not at this point.  Quit "wisely" building for the future to hamstring the present.  Especially while Rodgers is playing insane football. 

@CUPackFan posted:

I wouldn't give him an extension.  His current contract runs 3 more years, through 2023 when he turns 40.  All bets are off on 40 year old QBs.  Yeah you have Tom Brady but that's about it.  Favre had 1 great season out of his last three.  Brees was hanging on but he was not the same QB these last two years and definitely not worth $30m per year.

What should happen: turn $12m of his salary this year to a signing bonus (freeing up $8m of cap room in 2021) and turn $20m of his salary in 2022 into a signing bonus next March (freeing up $6m of cap room in 2022 ($10m from the restructure in 2022 offset by $4m signing bonus proration from the 2021 restructure).  Have him play those two years out and then seriously evaluate Rodgers vs. Love.  If Love has not progressed, you keep Rodgers in 2023 at a $43m cap hit.  That's high but with the new TV deal kicking in, the cap should increase significantly.  If Love has progressed to a point where you want to move on from Rodgers, cutting him is a $15m dead cap hit which isn't ideal, but is what it is.

IMO, you just can't be held hostage by a QB who's contract runs through a season where he turns 40.  Maybe Rodgers still has it at 40 but odds say his play will start dropping off within these next 3 years and it will be quick.  Remember, Peyton Manning was the MVP in 2013 at age 37.  Two season later at age 39, you could argue that Brock Osweiler was playing better than him on the field (what he brought in leadership and command of the offense was another matter).  I just look at how the Saints and Steelers held on to Brees and Roethlisberger and those two teams told themselves they were contenders, but they aren't.  I don't want the Packers following that path.

I understand the sentiment here, but much like a lame duck coach I don't think it is good for the locker room to have a lame duck franchise QB. However, if the rumor is true that 12 wants 60 mil per year, please negotiate a bit. The guy can't win the Super Bowl when he hold's 20% of the cap. How will he win it with 50% of the cap. The ALL IN guys are just super desperate people. Desperation is not a good position to be in to make future plans.

No, YOU'RE super desperate!

Prick.

The future is uncertain and the end is always near

The Doors

@Thunderbird posted:

That's a point I didn't consider, grignon.  Although as far as a competent backup,  I think Boyle may have been that, maybe more.  He just never got a chance to show us.

The worst-case scenario for Gutey is if Boyle ends up being a better QB than Love. I think that's very unlikely as Boyle likely has the worst college statistics of any D1-BCS-level college QB that's ever played a snap in the NFL. Boyle's college career at UConn included 1 TD and 13 interceptions and a 48% completion rate. That's the equivalent of a 42 NFL QB rating. He went from horrendously bad at UConn to just bad at Eastern Kentucky (11 TDs and 13 interceptions).

@Henry posted:

No, YOU'RE super desperate!

Prick.

Did you call me a prick? Why, you little ****.

Okay, I am desperate.

Whoa, there are still words on this site that are blocked??? So I can say fuck, but I can't say ****?

Did you just call me Steelers OLB *******?   

@Goalline posted:

Whoa, there are still words on this site that are blocked??? So I can say fuck, but I can't say ****?

Not even in the Australian sense.

@grignon posted:

A late 30s Aaron Rodgers is not going to become less of an injury risk. That's the reason I haven't generated any angst over Love's drafting. Lack of a competent backup at this most important position derailed 2 seasons when AR was hurt. So they saw a guy with what they see as NFL starter potential available for less $ than a proven backup would command.

I will be surprised if Love becomes the 3rd in a quarterbacking dynasty but also surprised if ARod doesn't miss a few games over the next 3 years.

I think AR will miss a game or more this year.  Into the fire for Love.  No more Boyles to buffer.  This place will lose their shit whether he looks like the third coming or a third stringer.