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@Timpranillo posted:Does Silverstein know that you can make improvements outside of the draft as well?
Exactly. I’ll also add, saying he used his draft picks as evidence that they were all in is ludicrous. Using them on weapons as a opposed to what exactly? Drafting another backup QB? Maybe drafting a punter and a long snapper? Oh that was the year before..
Good piece on why the cap may not dip as many expect...
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...-not-crash-after-all
Keep in mind, the cap is dictated by 1 thing...TV money. The season went on this year...yes, ratings were down in many cases, but 47M people watch the NFCC game. It didn't dip that much.
If they drop the cap, it's about one thing...greed. TV companies and owners need to step up and fill in any "gaps," IMO.
I caught PTI today and Tony referenced a conversation with Jason La Canfora on his podcast and does not paint a pretty picture of the relationship between Rodgers and MLF, nor his future in GB. Of note is the tension between head coach and QB1 - and I thought they were fine this year - often talking each other up.
Not sure if this is another click bait article or if there is a little more to it, but here are A few “highlights” and the link to the article below.
'This thing is going nuclear,' said one NFL exec; all Rodgers need do, said an NFL agent, is play the retirement card”
”And the sentiment (a current NFL head coach) expressed has been echoed by other coaches, general managers, executives and agents around the league over the past two days, all of whom are convinced a bitter divorce is pending between one of the greatest quarterbacks of this or any generation, and the storied Green Bay Packers.”
“An NFL assistant coach said: "It's been the worst kept secret in football. I don't think they've ever really won him over. Last year they held him back, and then they picked his replacement in the draft. This guy is nothing if not calculated. He's sending a signal to the rest of the league – Come and get me."
And here’s Andrew Brandt will a little perspective...
Translation: NFC North execs will do anything to stir the pot to stop Packers from winning division every year. https://t.co/p9QLSRjgsO
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) January 27, 2021
How about assembling some teams, winning teams?
Tough call. MLF has had some growing pains, sure. But he's also given AR a lot of freedom, rejuvenated his career, no doubt helped make him MVP again, and so on. I'm sure AR has had some moments wondering, WTF? because MLF is a young coach. On the other hand, he's been great scheming guys open, bringing back the running game, and AR often points at MLF when a called play produces a TD.
Isn't every coach-QB relationship a love-hate one, especially at this stage of AR's career? Earlier this year there was a big stink about Brady-Arians and how they disagreed. I would bet Rivers and Reich weren't exactly buddy-buddy either. Same with Big Ben and Tomlin. Brees and Payton. Every QB hits a point where they think they know more than the coach because they're on the field and the coach isn't.
Kornheiser has been pushing this mutual hate thing with Rodgers and MLF for two years now. He refuses to give it up. Rodgers and MLF should both win best actor awards for their performances.
Jason Wilde on his show today stated that he was taken aback when he heard Adam Schefter state yesterday that while the Pack's coaching staff definitely wants ARod back in GB ... not everyone in the organization feels the same way.
So, he did a little checking with his own sources and, according to Wilde, Schefter's reporting is accurate and that, again according to Wilde, Gutey is not as desirous of ARod staying in GB beyond 2021.
Starting at about the 25:00 minute mark.
After the man spent a 4th to move up and draft a QB LAST YEAR, this falls in the category of "duh".
That said, this all points to a lame duck year for AR at QB, facing a very tough schedule and who knows what happens with the roster. It could get ugly or it could turn out just like it did this year.
Heard the Schefter comment yesterday, and it was not really an insider sounding comment.
Wilde's comment was no different.
Based on what both said, sounds like neither spoke with Gutekunst so whoever they did speak with is speculating based on what they hear/heard.
And like DH said, 2x, well duh.
AR is the QB in '21. Unless he falls off the edge, no reason to believe he won't be in '22, unless AR decides he wants a change.
@SteveLuke posted:Jason Wilde on his show today stated that he was taken aback when he heard Adam Schefter state yesterday that while the Pack's coaching staff definitely wants ARod back in GB ... not everyone in the organization feels the same way.
So, he did a little checking with his own sources and, according to Wilde, Schefter's reporting is accurate and that, again according to Wilde, Gutey is not as desirous of ARod staying in GB beyond 2021.
Starting at about the 25:00 minute mark.
Gute has lost his damn mind on this. Murphy will step in if he tries to get rid of Arod. Too much money involved with future advertising and promotional deals.
@Goalline posted:Gute has lost his damn mind on this. Murphy will step in if he tries to get rid of Arod. Too much money involved with future advertising and promotional deals.
Agreed! I would much rather see Gute gone than AR.
Fuck Gutey!
Go find us a WR that can actually catch the fucking ball with his "big catch radius."
@13X posted:Agreed! I would much rather see Gute gone than AR.
Not me. Yeah, you heard me right. I'd take Gute over ARod.
Projection of future potential versus past reality.
The past is no guarantee of future performance.
However, in my case I want BOTH.
Report: Aaron Rodgers Wants Assurances from Packers He's Not 'Lame-Duck' QB
Green Bay Packers star Aaron Rodgers wants a commitment from the team that he isn't a "lame-duck" quarterback amid questions over whether he'll restructure his contract ahead of the 2021 season, according to ESPN's Rob Demovsky.
Demovsky reported the Packers didn't amend his deal before his $6.8 million roster bonus went into effect. However, that doesn't preclude the team from reworking the contract in a different way, according to Demovsky:
"The team could do that by adjusting his contract without adding any money to it. The Packers could convert a large portion of his $14.7 million base salary into a signing bonus. That would give them additional cap space this season but also would increase the amount of dead money he would count on next year's cap if they moved on."
SNIP:
Until they prove otherwise, the Packers don't appear to have deviated from making Love the long-term successor to Rodgers. That puts the nine-time Pro Bowler in a tough position.
Green Bay has restructured the deals for multiple players on its books to get under the NFL's lower salary cap in 2021.
Since he's due to count for $37.2 million against the cap—the highest in the league—addressing Rodgers' salary is an obvious step. One could understand, though, if he isn't in a mood to do the franchise any favors if he believes it would expedite his exit.
From the Packers' side of things, the presence of Love makes it difficult to provide concrete commitments about the years ahead. Making promises they can't or don't plan to keep would be worse than not making any promises at all.
Link to the Demovsky story, which the numb-nut from BR used in his opening paragraph to pin the lame-duck comment on Demovsky (ESPN Packers writer), when in reality that phrasing came from the well known "league sources".
BR opening paragraph
Green Bay Packers star Aaron Rodgers wants a commitment from the team that he isn't a "lame-duck" quarterback amid questions over whether he'll restructure his contract ahead of the 2021 season, according to ESPN's Rob Demovsky.
Particulars from the Demovsky article
Multiple league sources said they believe Rodgers wants assurances that he will be Green Bay's quarterback beyond just the 2021 season and that he won't be a "lame-duck" quarterback.
Believe... no one knows.
That time of year when NFL agents and team executives change their names to League Sources.
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) March 15, 2021
Nothing changes with that article. The Packers know that kicking more money down the road isn’t good for business and let’s not forget Rodgers already did a restructure in late 2019. He’s under no obligation to do it again.
What should concern Rodgers isn’t that the Packers will release him after this year, it’s that they can trade him as he’s still under contract through 2023. He’s not an UFA until 2024 which would make him 41 years old. In other words, he doesn’t have control over his future. The Packers know this, and they have also observed how teams are willing to deal for an above average guy like Stafford. Or scuttlebutt with Wilson or Watson.
In other words, if the Bears were willing to give up 3 #1s and two decent players for Wilson, what would a team give up for Rodgers? It would be an enormous haul, and the Packers could still eventually transition to Love or some other option at QB.
Everyone wants to point to Brady and project that Rodgers could be the same guy - playing for another 5 years. Brady is a freak of nature. He’s Nolan Ryan + the Energizer Bunny + the Terminator. There isn’t another Tom Brady.
Yes, that's the kind of thinking you want to float around an MVP QB.
"Business" is the fucking problem. And they wonder why they don't get over the hump with a HOFer QB.
How old is Drew Brees? Yeah, solid ball until he was 41, retires at 42.
@Tschmack posted:Everyone wants to point to Brady and project that Rodgers could be the same guy - playing for another 5 years. Brady is a freak of nature. He’s Nolan Ryan + the Energizer Bunny + the Terminator. There isn’t another Tom Brady.
Brees went until he was 42 but his arm that was average became below average.
Manning went to 40 but his late career surgery caught up with him.
Big Ben might go to 40 but that guy isn't exactly an example of an athlete that treats his body like a temple.
A 40 year old QB these days is comparable to 35-36 year old QB 10-15 years ago. This is going to become the new normal with the rules that have been put in place to protect these guys. If LaFluer's system and the Packers OL can continue to keep Rodgers upright like they did in 2020 it's going to add a couple of years to his career compared to the pounding he took under McCarthy.
He's slower moving around these days but he still has arm strength to make all the throws. He's right there with Brees and Brady when it comes to taking care of himself, just not as extreme as Brady.
You can blame the Packers or Ball or Gute all you want. The fact of the matter is Rodgers and his agent accepted that deal, and the landscape has changed. QBs, good QBs, are in high demand but your ability to stay or move is determined by your contract and how it’s structured.
In the player empowerment era, guys don’t want to be locked down forever. They want options. Ultimately, Rodgers wants more control, and maybe he deserves it. Then he should have taken a shorter term deal, less money, or negotiated in other clauses to do so.
Everyone wants to point to Brady as the new age example of how things should be done, but he’s always done things a certain way different than others. It’s no secret he took less money to stay in New England because he knew it was his best chance to win and it allowed them to pay other guys. Then times changed, and he was able to bounce. He got a ring and is now also getting paid.
Rodgers is the highest paid guy this year. He’s earned it, but the downside is you have less money to add free agents and you don’t want to be mortgaging your future to placate someone even like Aaron Rodgers. I would also ask you this- given how he played this year, where was that performance the last 2-3 years?
In the end, Rodgers is ultra sensitive about how he’s viewed and perceived. If he doesn’t like it, he can pull a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson and demand a trade. But the Packers have final say, not him. I’m sure that’s frustrating but hey, that’s the profession he’s chosen. He just can’t have it both ways. He can’t gripe about not having enough talent, yet he’s the highest paid guy in the league. If he doesn’t think GB is his best option to win, well, ask for a trade. But is he guaranteed a better outcome? And what about his image?
Are you fucking kidding me? His "down" years are any other QB's Pro Bowl years.
Real simple point. You have a 37 year old HOFer/MVP QB and now you want to play chicken with him with Jordan Love as the ace up your sleeve?
Do they want to fucking win or not?
You know the one thing you can't do with Rodgers contract? Force him to lead your team to a Super Bowl. So you can talk about the genius of finance all you want. Are you going to make the guy who can actually get your team there damn near all by himself happy by telling him you'd like him on your team?
Jesus fuck.
I agree, it would be nice to leverage having an MVP QB
This whole situation reeks of Gurt and Russ Balls "general managering."
Remember, Balls was the financial jeenyus who didn't want to pay Casey Hayward.
Groot rolled the dice that 12 was going to have a similar season to the one he had in 2019, and further strengthen the case that L'Ouef was a jeenyus pick.
Now, if he extends Rodgers and gives him more cap-friendly years, it neuters him. Because everyone knows they will want to deal the Aggie QB, or he looks incompetent for spending a 1st and a 4th for a guy that won't see the field for 4-5 years at the soonest.
This smells like the stuff Belicheat was trying to pull with Brady a few years back, and Handy Kraft intervened and said "enough, give Tom what he wants."
So we should trade Jordan Love to the Niners?
Here’s a real simple point for you
No player is above the team. If Rodgers wants to play hardball that’s his choice. But it’s a lose lose proposition and here’s why.
He’s worked his entire career to build this image that he’s a genuine, normal, down to earth guy. Someone you can have a beer with. He pulls this fake tough guy I am in control shit? He just erased 15 years of goodwill in a second. And it means nothing because he doesn’t hold the cards.
The one and only card he can play is threatening to retire. Walk away. Brett had it figured out until they drafted his replacement and didn’t blink. The same will happen to Rodgers.
So go ahead and talk tough but in the end it’s about leverage. It’s always about leverage. I’ve negotiated labor contracts for 20 years. Dealt with plenty of hard asses and people that ran their mouths. But it means nothing if you can’t back it up.
If you think Rodgers has the upper hand you are sadly mistaken. They will burn him to the ground and not give two shits about it. i hope it doesn’t get there but Rodgers fancies himself as the smartest guy in the room, so he’s probably due to get completely destroyed in this process.
Logic and reason should prevail but don’t bet on it.
You think this is about winning and losing in 2021? Wake the fuck up. It’s about the franchise and the league. Players are pawns in this game. If Rodgers wants out then be a man and demand a trade. The Packers will net the biggest return in NFL history. And he may end up in a worse situation. Good luck with that strategy.
“So go ahead and talk tough but in the end it’s about leverage. It’s always about leverage. I’ve negotiated labor contracts for 20 years. Dealt with plenty of hard asses and people that ran their mouths. But it means nothing if you can’t back it up. If you think Rodgers has the upper hand you are sadly mistaken. They will burn him to the ground and not give two shits about it. i hope it doesn’t get there but Rodgers fancies himself as the smartest guy in the room, so he’s probably due to get completely destroyed in this process.” Damn, I sure hope you are wrong.......
@Goldie posted:“So go ahead and talk tough but in the end it’s about leverage. It’s always about leverage. I’ve negotiated labor contracts for 20 years. Dealt with plenty of hard asses and people that ran their mouths. But it means nothing if you can’t back it up. If you think Rodgers has the upper hand you are sadly mistaken. They will burn him to the ground and not give two shits about it. i hope it doesn’t get there but Rodgers fancies himself as the smartest guy in the room, so he’s probably due to get completely destroyed in this process.” Damn, I sure hope you are wrong.......
Goldie, he's wrong.
He's getting all fucking hopped up because I triggered him and now he's talking out his ass because he thinks his job is just like the NFL. Like he had to negotiate with a "tough guy" who happened to "think he was the smartest guy in the room".
Oh, Rodgers is the fucking smartest guy in the room. Oh yeah, he's also a generational talent in one of the biggest entertainment leagues on the planet.
Yes, just like his job.
"Players are pawns". Players are the league you fucking yutz. Some players have a dramatically outsized pull on that equation. Because, you know, I tune in to see fucking Russ Ball crunch numbers.
Fuckwit.
Yep I’m a moron
Take an hour and study labor relations and labor history in the MLB, NBA, and NFL.
In that order, players call the shots. All the name calling in the world won’t change the facts. But hey, let’s double down on the nonsense.
You are completely out of your element Donnie. I’m wrong? JFC dude. You are obtuse to the highest level possible. Honestly, do yourself a favor and take the time to find out for yourself. The NFLPA has no power and authority and Rodgers is a card carrying member.