I definitely need more than AI to spell that.
@Goalline posted:I seem to remember only one guy being triggered last week and it wasn’t Goalline.🤣
There seemed to be a few people easily triggered last week. The Packers must have lost or something.
@GBFanForLife posted:So how the fuck is Rashan Gary doing?
About to become a very rich young man.
A few more details.
@RapSheet: The #Packers and star pass-rusher Rashan Gary have agreed to terms on 4-year, $96M extension in new money — $107,532,706 overall — with a signing bonus of $34,636,928.
Need to Extend LaFluffy now! Before we can no longer afford him
The good news is that the Packers extended all the guys from the 2019 that were key contributors. The bad news is that there were only 2 of them (Jenkins and Gary).
The good news is that they've already locked up the one guy from 2020 they needed to in Jordan Love for at least another year. The bad news is that no one else is worth more than veteran minimum from that draft class.
The 2019 draft class netted you two guys who are at least Pro Bowl level when healthy and nothing else. The 2020 class netted you a starting QB who may be gone in another year, a backup RB, and that's it.
The 2021 draft class might be even worse than that.
https://www.pro-football-refer...s/gnb/2021_draft.htm
Although there are a lot of other reasons the Packers are bad right now, the lack of any contributions from the 2020 and 2021 draft classes underlies it all. You get most of your cornerstone players in the first 3-4 rounds of the draft. Stokes (1st), Myers (2nd), Amari Rodgers (3rd), Royce Newman (4th), Love (1st and 4th), DeGuara (3rd), and Dillon (2nd) are the players picked in the first 4 rounds of the 2020-21 drafts. I'm not sure you'd draft a single one of them at those picks if you redid that draft. You don't expect them all to be Pro Bowlers, but you would want at least a couple of them to be in the conversation for Pro Bowls at this point and none of them are even close. They are all C- players or worse.
@MichiganPacker posted:Stokes (1st), Myers (2nd), Amari Rodgers (3rd), Royce Newman (4th), Love (1st and 4th), DeGuara (3rd), and Dillon (2nd) are the players picked in the first 4 rounds of the 2020-21 drafts. I'm not sure you'd draft a single one of them at those picks if you redid that draft. You don't expect them all to be Pro Bowlers, but you would want at least a couple of them to be in the conversation for Pro Bowls at this point and none of them are even close. They are all C- players or worse.
With the benefit of hindsight.
@H5 posted:With the benefit of hindsight.
I agree that hindsight is always going to be better, but in the context of draft picks, you usually end up with some guys that are much better than their draft position and others that aren't as good. How many of those players would you be thrilled to still be able to draft where you got them with the benefit of hindsight 3 years later? The Packers last few drafts haven't really netted them anyone that you look back and say that was a tremendous value for where you picked them in the draft.
Bakh in the 4th round and Micah Hyde in Round 5 in 2013, Adams near the end of Round 2 and Linsley in Round 5 in 2014, and Aaron Jones in the 5th round in 2017 are all those types of examples.
You should get a few of these just from investing in player development. The OL is alarming when it comes to this. It's not like it's been neglected. Other than Jenkins (a great pick in Round 2), almost all their picks have underachieved what you expect from where they were picked. Myers (2nd round), Ryhan (3rd), Tom (4th), and Newman (4th) are all young players that were picked in draft positions that should yield quality OL prospects. Myers looks like a bust and Ryhan has yet to play an offensive snap in his career. Those are two guys you would expect to be at least B level players. Newman and Tom are OK.
You don't expect your 6th and 7th rounders and UDFAs to be quality starters. Those guys like Walker (7th), Runyan (6th), Hansen (6th), Van Lanen (7th), Caleb Jones (UDFA), and Nijman (UDFA) are supposed to be the guys you plug in around your quality starters as backups or placeholders. Walker has played like shit at the hardest position on the OL, but you don't expect your 7th round pick to be a starting LT. It doesn't mean he was a bad pick at that slot.
Wolf and TT used to make hay in the later rounds, including OL. They were used to getting great value on the cheap. And they needed to because they were almost always picking toward the end of each round. It's almost as if Gute has been trying to do the same thing but the scouts (and GM) are different and the strategy just doesn't work anymore.
Gute and Wolf couldn’t be any more opposite.
Wolf’s deal was (like Jimmy Johnson) he wanted to accumulate a lot of picks. His thought was it was a percentage based deal. The more you have, the more hits you get. Wolf did trade picks but was usually for players (Favre, Keith Jackson, etc).
Gute has made a bad habit of trading up for guys and has had less overall picks to work with. That’s great if those guys work out, but it’s a double whammy if they don’t.
Wolf made a killing in rounds 3-7 not because he was necessarily smarter. Volume. Get as many picks as you can and you will hit on some of them. Some of his best picks were guys like Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Edgar Bennett, Dorsey Levens, KGB, Doug Evans, Mark Chmura, Donald Driver, Mark Tauscher, Adam Timmerman.
@MichiganPacker posted:The good news is that the Packers extended all the guys from the 2019 that were key contributors. The bad news is that there were only 2 of them (Jenkins and Gary).
The good news is that they've already locked up the one guy from 2020 they needed to in Jordan Love for at least another year. The bad news is that no one else is worth more than veteran minimum from that draft class.
The 2019 draft class netted you two guys who are at least Pro Bowl level when healthy and nothing else. The 2020 class netted you a starting QB who may be gone in another year, a backup RB, and that's it.
The 2021 draft class might be even worse than that.
https://www.pro-football-refer...s/gnb/2021_draft.htm
Although there are a lot of other reasons the Packers are bad right now, the lack of any contributions from the 2020 and 2021 draft classes underlies it all. You get most of your cornerstone players in the first 3-4 rounds of the draft. Stokes (1st), Myers (2nd), Amari Rodgers (3rd), Royce Newman (4th), Love (1st and 4th), DeGuara (3rd), and Dillon (2nd) are the players picked in the first 4 rounds of the 2020-21 drafts. I'm not sure you'd draft a single one of them at those picks if you redid that draft. You don't expect them all to be Pro Bowlers, but you would want at least a couple of them to be in the conversation for Pro Bowls at this point and none of them are even close. They are all C- players or worse.
That's not close to good enough. I'm convinced Gutey has to go too. The overall culture is terrible in this organization. The Rodgers ordeal was handled terribly. The drafts speak for themselves.
It bothers me to see guys yukking it up on the sideline when we're down 2 touchdowns early to a Division rival. That tells me there's no respect for the staff, each other, or the game.
I thought the dancing and prancing around after back to back sacks down by 14 was a special kind of stupid.
these fuckers are out there, living their best life padding stats, getting blown out at home
Gute loads up on draft picks. He's never had just the 7 picks he gets. Once he had 13 and a couple times he had 11 picks. He's using the shotgun approach.
All that celebrating sure makes it look like they care about themselves more than the team. I always get a kick out of the guy that gets up celebrating a tackle after giving up a first down. LOL.
Keep everything as is through 2024. These guys were all chosen by Murphy. There is no way you let him choose the next group of GMs and coaches. Ask the moronic board to consult with Harlan about how to build football operations and find the President who is willing or rather who shares that philosophy.
@DH13 posted:Wolf and TT used to make hay in the later rounds, including OL. They were used to getting great value on the cheap. And they needed to because they were almost always picking toward the end of each round. It's almost as if Gute has been trying to do the same thing but the scouts (and GM) are different and the strategy just doesn't work anymore.
or maybe gutey just isn’t very good at drafting
@Goalline posted:Keep everything as is through 2024. These guys were all chosen by Murphy. There is no way you let him choose the next group of GMs and coaches. Ask the moronic board to consult with Harlan about how to build football operations and find the President who is willing or rather who shares that philosophy.
I think if one goes they'll all go. Murphy having a year left could save everybody.
Truthfully, this season should be a stepping stone to building a very competitive team in 2024. But nobody is getting any good out of what is happening. Herman broke down all 25 first half drives since the Saints game. 125 yards and 6 points, 3 of which came after an INT with a 0 yard drive. There were close to 20 punts and one was returned for a TD. That punt return represents more points than our offense scored over that span!
@Jessie Clark posted:or maybe gutey just isn’t very good at drafting
If you look at his last 3 drafts, close to 30 picks, only 2 are not on NFL rosters and they were both RBs taken in the 7th round. That's not saying are are good players that will last, but I thought that was a very high number. The bulk of them are of course with the Packers and could be a product of our cap woes.
@PackerRick posted:I think if one goes they'll all go. Murphy having a year left could save everybody.
Truthfully, this season should be a stepping stone to building a very competitive team in 2024. But nobody is getting any good out of what is happening. Herman broke down all 25 first half drives since the Saints game. 125 yards and 6 points, 3 of which came after an INT with a 0 yard drive. There were close to 20 punts and one was returned for a TD. That punt return represents more points than our offense scored over that span!
100% agreed.
Behind a paywall:
Rashan Gary’s impact: Are the Packers getting enough from their $96M pass rusher?
Green Bay Packers outside linebacker Rashan Gary earned every last penny of the four-year, $96 million contract extension he signed almost three weeks ago.
The 25-year-old fifth-year edge rusher taken No. 12 in the 2019 NFL Draft began as a fourth-stringer and climbed his way to not only the top of the depth chart but also near the top of the league’s pass-rushing hierarchy by relentlessly pressuring opposing quarterbacks.
After tearing his ACL in Week 9 last season, Gary returned to game action in Week 1 this season and didn’t miss a beat. Despite being on limited snaps to various extents in the first five games of the season, his production didn’t wane compared to when he was fully healthy for the first half of the 2022 season. From Weeks 1-5, Gary ranked tied for 10th in the NFL with 4.5 sacks and, among players who rushed the passer at least 15 times per game in that span, second in pressure percentage behind only the New York Jets’ Bryce Huff.
That’s why, in part, he earned his Week 8 contract extension, because he proved that he was the same player after such a significant injury as he had been before it. However, that player has gone missing over the last month. Gary has more facemask penalties than sacks — his only sack was negated because he lined up offsides against the Los Angeles Rams in Week 9. There are 181 players with at least half a sack over the last four weeks and Gary, who makes $24 million per year now, is not one of them.
Sacks aren’t the be-all, end-all when it comes to edge rusher production, however, as former Packers outside linebackers coach Mike Smith loved to preach. He emphasized pressures, so let’s look at those. From Weeks 7-10 (the Packers had their bye in Week 6), among players who appeared in at least three games and rushed the passer at least 15 times per game, Gary ranked 30th in pressure percentage.
However you cut it, Gary isn’t producing nearly enough of late. The Packers’ $96 million pass rusher needs to play like one.
Gary was asked after Sunday’s loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers how often he feels he’s getting true one-on-one matchups anymore.
“You tell me. You know how many?” he said, and after a brief silence, added, “Oh OK, that mean I gotta be doing my job right.”
After re-watching each of Gary’s snaps from the past four games, I counted 22 times he’s been blocked by more than one player while rushing the quarterback, whether it’s at the same time or at different times on the same play. He’s been chipped by a tight end, chipped by a fullback and blocked by two offensive linemen at the same time, among other blocking combinations teams have used to slow Gary down over the last month.
There are times he’s overcome more than two blockers, like when he passed the chip of Minnesota Vikings fullback C.J. Ham and the block attempt of left tackle Christian Darrisaw before hammering quarterback Kirk Cousins on a two-yard completion. Yes, Gary drew a roughing the passer call on the play, but the point is that he was in position to make a play despite more attention thrown his way.
On one of edge rusher Preston Smith’s two sacks against the Vikings, Gary beat both right tackle Brian O’Neill inside and the help attempt of right guard Ed Ingram to affect Cousins before Smith finished the job. Smith has four sacks in the last four games, tied for fourth in the NFL over that span, which doesn’t seem like a coincidence considering who’s on the other side of the Packers’ defensive front.
Gary is capable of affecting the quarterback when opponents have more than just one player trying to block him, but he’s just not doing it enough recently, and that goes for when just one guy is blocking him, too.
“Just gotta find a way to be an impact,” Gary said when asked how he overcomes the extra blockers. “That’s from my film study, me talking to my coaches and my defensive coordinator and just talk to my line buddies, man. Just working together, man, work together, make the team and the dream work, so that’s all I gotta do but go back, be critical of my film, understanding what they wanna do with me and off of that, find a way to be an impact. That’s it.”
According to TruMedia, Gary has rushed the passer 92 times in the last four games, so that leaves plenty of one-on-one opportunities. That doesn’t necessarily mean Gary has wasted 70 chances to sack the quarterback, though. A quarterback’s release time can essentially take Gary out of a play if it’s quick enough and in those scenarios, there’s simply nothing Gary can realistically do to affect the play even if he cleanly wins his matchup.
Defensive coordinator Joe Barry, pass rush specialist Jason Rebrovich and head coach Matt LaFleur must find ways to make life easier on Gary because he’s the defense’s best player — maybe the team’s best player — when he’s clicking.
“It’s no different than what we did to their guys,” LaFleur said of the Steelers devoting more attention to Gary, who had one pressure in 20 pass-rush snaps last Sunday, according to Pro Football Focus while, to my count, the Steelers blocked him with more than one player on four of those snaps.
“It’s the nature of it,” LaFleur added. “You can try to create 5-0s or whatever up front, in terms of being man on man and basically putting five defenders over top of the five linemen, but you still could get a chip unless you’re willing to put somebody inside, which is always an option, as well.”
In the season’s first five games, Gary’s defensive snaps shares were 16, 27, 38, 27 and 47 percent, respectively, as the Packers ramped him back up off his ACL rehab. In the last four games, he’s played 68, 64, 62 and 68 percent of Green Bay’s defensive snaps.
Is it just a coincidence that Gary’s production has suffered as his workload has gotten bigger? Perhaps, but other highly paid edge rushers like the Las Vegas Raiders’ Maxx Crosby (98 percent), the Steelers’ T.J. Watt (84) and the Cleveland Browns’ Myles Garrett (81) play a much higher percentage of their team’s defensive snaps than Gary does and still produce at an elite level consistently while assuredly facing similar or more attention from opposing teams.
Gary is now paid in the same ballpark as those guys. He needs to play like them, too, at least more regularly than he has over the last month.
Tough thing to ask of a big man coming off an ACL who uses his speed and bend a lot. My guess is that we'll see a better Gary next year. He may also feel like this year is a wash so why try too hard if the knee isn't 100%? I just hope he's not one of those guys who get the big money and then rest on their Benjamins.
@Fandame posted:Tough thing to ask of a big man coming off an ACL who uses his speed and bend a lot. My guess is that we'll see a better Gary next year. He may also feel like this year is a wash so why try too hard if the knee isn't 100%? I just hope he's not one of those guys who get the big money and then rest on their Benjamins.
Bingo!
@PackerRick posted:Gute loads up on draft picks. He's never had just the 7 picks he gets. Once he had 13 and a couple times he had 11 picks. He's using the shotgun approach.
How's that working out for us? 3-6, probably about to be 3-9 roster.
@PackerRick posted:Probably about the same as when Rodgers took over a team that played in the NFC Championship game
and won 7 less games than the season before.
I know you’re not suggesting that Rodgers was responsible for Green Bay’s going 6-10 in his first year as starter.
The 2007 Packers finished 4th in scoring (27.2 PPG) and 6th in points allowed (18.2). That’s a +9.0 scoring differential.
In 2008, Rodgers’ first go as starter, the Packers scored exactly one less point (26.2 PPG) than that NFC Championship team did the year before under Favre.
The defense however tanked, dropping from 6th to 22nd in points allowed, allowing 23.8 PPG, or 5.6 points more per game than the year before. That’s an increase of 30.8%, and Green Bay’s point differential dropped from 9.0 to 2.4.
I have a real hard time remaining silent when anybody tries to shoulder the blame for a 6-10 finish on Rodgers. Rodgers was a Pro Bowl caliber passer in his first year starting, finishing sixth in the NFL in passer rating.
1. Philip Rivers 105.5
2. Chad Pennington 97.4
3. Kurt Warner 96.9
4. Drew Brees 96.2
5. Peyton Manning 95.0
6. Aaron Rodgers 93.8
And four of the five guys ahead of him are in, or will be in Canton.
There is NO comparison between Rodgers in 2008, and Jordan Love in 2023.
None. Love is the 26th-best passer in the NFL this season (80.5), and his 58.7% completion percentage ranks dead last among 33 qualified passers.
It could correctly be argued that Aaron Rodgers had better talent at receiver as a first year starter, retaining both Donald Driver and Greg Jennings, both of which had 1,000 yards in 2008, in addition to a rookie Jordy Nelson and a second year James Jones.
But Rodgers also faced an infinitely more difficult group of opponents in 2008. The ‘08 Packers played a first place schedule, while this year’s team is playing a third place schedule.
Rodgers in his first year faced these teams:
10-6 Minnesota (twice)
11-5 Atlanta
12-4 Indianapolis
13-3 Tennessee
12-4 Carolina
He faced Chicago twice (9-7), Dallas (9-7), Tampa Bay (9-7), and New Orleans (8-8) and Houston (8-8) finished at .500.
He played only four teams with a losing record: Detroit (0-16) twice, Seattle (4-12), and Jacksonville (5-11).
Spot on and Rodgers had to battle through all the Favre droolers.
He was treated as Public Enemy by probably 50 percent or more of GB fans
Love has been welcomed. Especially by the “immunization” crew
I don’t want to see Love fail. But to compare the 2 situations without some context is fucking dum.
Love looks like a bottom 10 QB
@lambeausouth posted:I know you’re not suggesting that Rodgers was responsible for Green Bay’s going 6-10 in his first year as starter.
No I don't think Rodgers is to blame anymore than Love is to blame for the current W/L. Just responding to this comment "How's that working out for us? 3-6, probably about to be 3-9 roster."
@Iowacheese posted:Spot on and Rodgers had to battle through all the Favre droolers.
He was treated as Public Enemy by probably 50 percent or more of GB fans
Love has been welcomed. Especially by the “immunization” crew
I don’t want to see Love fail. But to compare the 2 situations without some context is fucking dum.
Love looks like a bottom 10 QB
Say, I think someone’s father mentioned this in a post entered here. Ah, remember this??
“What amazes me about this Green Bay Packers fan base, and some of you reporters quite frankly, is the fact that this team, which is literally the youngest in the NFL, was not expected to even compete this season, yet have found a way to be in every game. You all are about as bad as it gets, and I played in Philly with their schizophrenic fans.
Quite frankly, you all were awful to Aaron Rodgers when he took over for Favre, and pretty much any time he wasn’t perfect on the field! You wanted Davante Adams to be cut by his 2nd season… AND you somehow think you “deserve” better than what this team is?!? You all don’t deserve a damn thing but to support the players who’re out there playing their asses off, if you choose to be fans!
#FairweatherFans
#GoPackGo”
On Twitter, Tazim Wajed, Watson’s father, spoke his mind to Packers fans.
3rd paragraph.....the tidbit about how bad the GBP fans treated #12......
@Iowacheese posted:Spot on and Rodgers had to battle through all the Favre droolers.
He was treated as Public Enemy by probably 50 percent or more of GB fans
Love has been welcomed. Especially by the “immunization” crew
I don’t want to see Love fail. But to compare the 2 situations without some context is fucking dum.
Love looks like a bottom 10 QB
Immunization crew? Nothing fucking dumb about that comment.
Should the context include supporting casts?
Hmmm... is PackerRick actually Henry reincarnate?
@BrainDed posted:No, Henry is clever and witty.
You're probably not the most qualified person to be judging those traits.
With all the fighting going on in here I got confused and thought I was reading Rube Chat.
@PackerRick posted:Immunization crew? Nothing fucking dumb about that comment.
Should the context include supporting casts?
It's my fault. I got shingles and covid shots so I'm immunized.
I'm also the Boss and I'm not leaving.
Taylor is taken, but I think Lizzo is available.
* Side note: googled popular current female singers and see Katy Perry is two years older than Lady Gaga. That surprised me.
@Herschel posted:Taylor is taken, but I think Lizzo is available.
* Side note: googled popular current female singers and see Katy Perry is two years older than Lady Gaga. That surprised me.
Also has way bigger fun bags.