kworst can't make a comment about this pick until next season.
quote:Hopefully Perry & CM3 can do for us what Harrison & Woodley do for the Steelers.
Minus the personal fouls and fines.
Great pick but being from the Detroit school system whats his wonderlic score 
,no matter, he did go to USC so he must have some smarts,
this will be a fun thing to witness,him turning into a Packer star,who was it they drafted last year in the 1st round again?
Always struck me as more of a 4-3 guy, but he's obviously got the athletic ability to make the transition to OLB and TT and staff believe he can. I'm for just about anything at this point that can add some juice to the woefully anemic pass rush.
quote:Originally posted by Boris:quote:Originally posted by ChilliJon:
Anything floating around Radio City that TT had Jones on the top of his list?
No, just an incorrect hunch I had. I envisioned Chandler Jones replacing Cullen Jenkins productivity. Hopefully Perry & CM3 can do for us what Harrison & Woodley do for the Steelers.
I thought they wanted Jones too, especially when rumors prior to the draft were that the pack was looking to trade up.
Admittingly don't know much about Perry. However have a gut feeling that bud light on the rocks saw him practice against Kalil and do well against the tackle.
After watching the clips, I like. But given he's primarily a speed guy and a bit of trouble laterally, I wonder if linemen don't push him and CMIII past the QB and they run up the middle again and again. Hope TT now looks hard at Dline and gets another Raji to hold the middle. Or a safety.
My only question on Perry was about inconsistency, but if it wasn't an issue for Thompson then it must not be an issue.
Great pick IMO. Value is right, he's an elite athlete, and he's falling into an ideal situation (great leadership, great coaching, etc.). Looking forward to seeing him coming off the edge, forcing Jay Favrler and Matt Gafford to throw tons and tons of INTs.
I wonder what weight they will want him at? Clay is listed at 255, I wonder if they will want Perry at something similar? If he's that athletic at 270, imagine what kind of speed and quickness he could show 15 or 20 pounds lighter! Wowza!
Great pick IMO. Value is right, he's an elite athlete, and he's falling into an ideal situation (great leadership, great coaching, etc.). Looking forward to seeing him coming off the edge, forcing Jay Favrler and Matt Gafford to throw tons and tons of INTs.
I wonder what weight they will want him at? Clay is listed at 255, I wonder if they will want Perry at something similar? If he's that athletic at 270, imagine what kind of speed and quickness he could show 15 or 20 pounds lighter! Wowza!
quote:After watching the clips, I like. But given he's primarily a speed guy and a bit of trouble laterally, I wonder if linemen don't push him and CMIII past the QB and they run up the middle again and again. Hope TT now looks hard at Dline and gets another Raji to hold the middle. Or a safety.
I thought the same thing, but at 270lbs and you watch his clips from a lot of different opponents, I'm guessin its his technique that gets lazy some of the time.
IMO, he looks very impressive physically on the clips, he pushes linemen to the side rather easily and throws ball carriers around like rag dolls.
Can you imagine if just a tweak on technique is all that is the difference between him and stardom?
Excited.
quote:Originally posted by michiganjoe:
Always struck me as more of a 4-3 guy, but he's obviously got the athletic ability to make the transition to OLB and TT and staff believe he can. I'm for just about anything at this point that can add some juice to the woefully anemic pass rush.
I'm kind of with you. I thought he was a better fit for the Bears than McClellin and McClellin's a little better fit for the Packers.
quote:Originally posted by Grave Digger:
My only question on Perry was about inconsistency, but if it wasn't an issue for Thompson then it must not be an issue.
Great pick IMO. Value is right, he's an elite athlete, and he's falling into an ideal situation (great leadership, great coaching, etc.). Looking forward to seeing him coming off the edge, forcing Jay Favrler and Matt Gafford to throw tons and tons of INTs.
I wonder what weight they will want him at? Clay is listed at 255, I wonder if they will want Perry at something similar? If he's that athletic at 270, imagine what kind of speed and quickness he could show 15 or 20 pounds lighter! Wowza!
Or, could he add 15-20 and move to end at some point. He's about 3 pounds lighter than Chandler Jones. Either way, he's an explosive pass rusher.
Why would you take an elite pass rusher and neuter him by making him a DE in a 34 defense? Hell let's add 25 pounds to Finley and make him a blocking TE.
I wonder if Clay has gotten Perry into the gym yet? After all, it's been more than 12 hours since he was selected! If not Clay, then Greene probably has texted him already. 
quote:Great pick but being from the Detroit school system whats his wonderlic score ,no matter, he did go to USC so he must have some smarts,
He scored a 29 (Matthews scored a 27, just for a comparison). He's smarter than most...
I'm not sure it would be neutering him if they have a scheme shift in mind. Last year they ran a 2-4-5 alignment most often. Maybe they adjust that in to more of a 3-3-5 set up still with two NT-types and three outside pass rushers. Perry wouldn't go to 300, but he maybe bulk up a bit like most guys do. I'm not saying that's what they're doing, just saying it could be an idea they have with the way the league is passing these days.
He played in the 250s during the season and bulked up for the combine. If anything he'll lose weight and get back into the 260s once he goes through TC.
That wa my thought also, just spitballing a bit with the Chandler Jones speculation.
Scouts seem to be all over th eplace on him.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports...564a7-149181165.html
A few exceprts:
AFC scout: "Very steady. Complete player. Can handle the run well. He's a very good pass rusher. Not like the (Dwight) Freeney type. Solid. He needs to be respected. He's not as explosive as Clay Matthews. He'd probably be a little stronger against the run as an end."
AFC scout: "He's the kid from Ohio State (Vernon Gholston). Buyer beware there. He's a good athlete that, let's just say, is a little soft."
NFC scout: "His motor is OK. Hot and cold a little bit. He's a talented guy. He will go high."
Rick Reiprish, New Orleans: "I think he's a 4-3 guy. That suits him better."
NFC scout: "Workout guy who doesn't play good."
NFC scout: "He's a little bit like (Andre) Branch. He's scheme versatile. He's got some pop in his body, that explosiveness that you look for. Yet, you didn't see him rush all the time at SC. He's got a lot of potential as a rusher. He's got the size, speed and athleticism to play outside backer. If you're betting on the up side with any of these players, this would be the guy to do it with. From what I know, he's an OK kid. No huge red flags."
AFC scout: "It's close, but he can do the 3-4. I don't like him, but I'm in the minority."
NFC scout: "He's talented, but you can't depend on him. I think Perry could do whatever he wanted to do but he doesn't do it on a consistent basis. He's talented enough to stand up, sure."
NFC scout: "I think the 4-3 is his best fit. He might have a little better chance to reduce down and be an outside backer in a 3-4."
AFC scout: "Good player. He wore out Stanford's junior left tackle (Jonathan Martin). He played both down and up. Basically down. He and Clay Matthews didn't play the same way. Matthews played off the line. This guys plays down on the line. He's tall and linear built. Yeah, he can rush the passer. First round. I like him."
Scouts seem to be all over th eplace on him.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports...564a7-149181165.html
A few exceprts:
AFC scout: "Very steady. Complete player. Can handle the run well. He's a very good pass rusher. Not like the (Dwight) Freeney type. Solid. He needs to be respected. He's not as explosive as Clay Matthews. He'd probably be a little stronger against the run as an end."
AFC scout: "He's the kid from Ohio State (Vernon Gholston). Buyer beware there. He's a good athlete that, let's just say, is a little soft."
NFC scout: "His motor is OK. Hot and cold a little bit. He's a talented guy. He will go high."
Rick Reiprish, New Orleans: "I think he's a 4-3 guy. That suits him better."
NFC scout: "Workout guy who doesn't play good."
NFC scout: "He's a little bit like (Andre) Branch. He's scheme versatile. He's got some pop in his body, that explosiveness that you look for. Yet, you didn't see him rush all the time at SC. He's got a lot of potential as a rusher. He's got the size, speed and athleticism to play outside backer. If you're betting on the up side with any of these players, this would be the guy to do it with. From what I know, he's an OK kid. No huge red flags."
AFC scout: "It's close, but he can do the 3-4. I don't like him, but I'm in the minority."
NFC scout: "He's talented, but you can't depend on him. I think Perry could do whatever he wanted to do but he doesn't do it on a consistent basis. He's talented enough to stand up, sure."
NFC scout: "I think the 4-3 is his best fit. He might have a little better chance to reduce down and be an outside backer in a 3-4."
AFC scout: "Good player. He wore out Stanford's junior left tackle (Jonathan Martin). He played both down and up. Basically down. He and Clay Matthews didn't play the same way. Matthews played off the line. This guys plays down on the line. He's tall and linear built. Yeah, he can rush the passer. First round. I like him."
Some comments on Perry.
From Wes Bunting @NFP:
Charlie Campbell from WalterFootball:
Surprisingly, www.westcoastscouting.com does not have anything on Perry.
From Wes Bunting @NFP:
quote:
What I like…
- Displays the ability to coil up into his stance, keep his base under him, back flat and take a positive first step off the football.
- Eats up grass well initially, getting on top of opposing tackles quickly in the pass game.
- Possesses the first step to threaten the edge and demonstrates some savvy to his game setting up his outside speed rush.
- Extends his long arms well into contact and showcases a little know how of when to work the club/chop in order to keep himself clean on the edge. Can be violent on contact.
- Possesses good length for his size, is a long armed kid who maximizes his length well into contact.
- Showcases some natural power when he's trying to turn the corner through contact. Has a stronger lower half, works hard in pursuit and showcases a good motor fighting his way past tackles.
- Does a nice job working the edge and using his length to wrap on the quarterback when closing in pursuit.
- Showcases some suddenness when trying to change directions and keep himself clean toward the corner.
- Has slightly above-average power on his bull rush, extends his inside arm well into contact, can knock opposing tackles off balance and work his legs hard through contact.
- Exhibits better natural anchor strength vs. the run game than given credit for.
- Keeps his pad level down well off the snap, has an explosive first step and a powerful punch on contact.
- Uses his length well to shed on slide down blocks, finds the football well and has some range when asked to close.
- Was productive as a junior finishing with 9.5 sacks and showing well vs. some of the best offensive tackle prospects in the country.
What I don't like…
- Is a slightly tighter pass rusher who struggles to really drop his pad level around the edge, sink his hips and flatten out under tackles.
- Too often is easily pushed past the pocket and eliminated from the play due to higher pad level.
- Isn't real sudden off his speed rush on any type of change of direction move. There isn't a real quick/sudden element to his game back inside.
- Gets upright through contact, doesn't play as strong as he could because of pad level and makes it tough on himself to disengage once a lineman gets their hands on him.
- His pass rushing arsenal is limited, looks more like a one trick pony who is only real confident working the speed rush. Will sprinkle in the bull or the inside rush at times, but doesn't have a "go to" change up.
- Gets upright vs. the run game when trying to play off blocks. Fails to sit into his base and keep his feet under him, allowing lineman to wash him from the play too easily.
Impression: Exhibits the first step to be a threat off the edge, however struggles to drop his pad level when flattening out. Plus, he doesn't have much of a counter to his game at this point. Nevertheless, has some obvious talent and is a guy you would expect to start as a rush backer in a 34 scheme and be a productive threat off the edge.
Charlie Campbell from WalterFootball:
quote:
Strengths:
Special pass-rusher
Good repertoire of moves
Quick get off
Physical
Strong bull rush
Nice pad level
Turns the corner well
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Physical run defender who holds the edge
Shedding blocks
Pursuit skills
Developed technique
Experienced
Smooth fit as a 4-3 defensive end
Rushes with good leverage
Weaknesses:
Agility
Could struggle in space as a 3-4 outside linebacker
Doesn't look like natural as a 3-4 linebacker
Summary: Perry has been an evolving prospect over the past months, and really, throughout his college career. At one point, he was an undersized end who looked like a better outside linebacker prospect in the NFL. After adding 20 pounds of muscle over the past year, Perry now looks like a base end who is a good fit in a 4-3 defense. He finished the 2012 season on a tear, as he dominated the Pac-12. Perry continued his momentum with an All-Star performance at the NFL Scouting Combine.
Perry put on a show in Indianapolis with a blistering 40-yard dash time of 4.50 seconds and a 1.56 in the 10-yard split. He also did very well in the bench press, the vertical leap and the broad jump. With a strong Combine performance, Perry confirmed a first-round grade based off of his college production.
Perry broke out as freshman in 2009 with eight sacks, nine tackles for a loss and 24 tackles. His sophomore season didn't go as planned, as he had 25 tackles with 7.5 tackles for a loss, four sacks and two forced fumbles. Perry totaled 54 tackles with 9.5 sacks, 13 tackles for a loss, three forced fumbles and two passes batted in 2011. If he had decided to return for his senior campaign and continued to improve under Monte Kiffin before going pro, he could have been a high first-round pick in 2013.
Perry enters the NFL as a skilled pass rusher. That is his real strength. He beats tackles with a combination of speed, strength and physicality. Perry has developed a nice repertoire of moves to beat tackles with outside and interior rushes. He was well coached at USC, and enters the league having been developed by a lot of staffers with NFL experience. On the pro level, Perry should improve his technique for run defense. That should be very doable for him as he has the size and power to be a good run defender.
The best fit, and easiest transition, would be for him to stay in a 4-3 defense. Perry should be able to contribute quickly as a base end. However, he is getting consideration from some teams as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Perry looked a little stiff at outside linebacker at the Combine and his Pro Day. He said he feels more comfortable as a defensive end in a 4-3. If Perry is drafted into a 3-4, he may need more developmental time to get used to his new position. He also may want to trim down to improve his agility for pass drops.
Surprisingly, www.westcoastscouting.com does not have anything on Perry.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
Some comments on Perry.quote:From Wes Bunting @NFP:
- His pass rushing arsenal is limited, looks more like a one trick pony who is only real confident working the speed rush. Will sprinkle in the bull or the inside rush at times, but doesn't have a "go to" change up.
Charlie Campbell from WalterFootball:quote:
Perry enters the NFL as a skilled pass rusher. That is his real strength. He beats tackles with a combination of speed, strength and physicality. Perry has developed a nice repertoire of moves to beat tackles with outside and interior rushes.
This is why scouting reports regarding draft prospects should be taken with a grain of salt in a nutshell. Is he a refined pass rusher or isn't he? Seems like that would be a somewhat objective form of measure.
quote:If you didn't know any better it looked like a CMIII clone out there.
Watch some tape of him and you will know better. He doesn't look at all like CM3. Except maybe the uniform.
JUST commenting on his highlight video he doesn't jump off the screen like some players. Not at all saying you judge a guy solely on highlights but all I see on the video is his running around OT's. If TT and co. like him, that's enough for me although they did have to take "what was left" at 28.
quote:What I don't like…
- Is a slightly tighter pass rusher who struggles to really drop his pad level around the edge, sink his hips and flatten out under tackles.
- Too often is easily pushed past the pocket and eliminated from the play due to higher pad level.
- Isn't real sudden off his speed rush on any type of change of direction move. There isn't a real quick/sudden element to his game back inside.
- Gets upright through contact, doesn't play as strong as he could because of pad level and makes it tough on himself to disengage once a lineman gets their hands on him.
- His pass rushing arsenal is limited, looks more like a one trick pony who is only real confident working the speed rush. Will sprinkle in the bull or the inside rush at times, but doesn't have a "go to" change up.
- Gets upright vs. the run game when trying to play off blocks. Fails to sit into his base and keep his feet under him, allowing lineman to wash him from the play too easily.
all the above tells me he needs to play lower. Greene will have that fixed before the 2nd week of training camp. none of that above scares me in the least. he's a junior with room to grow and he'll be groomed by some of the best. looking forward to it.
quote:Has upfield speed to scream off the edge and the bulk and weight-room strength to handle the left side, but tape does not match workout numbers and lack of consistency vs. the run remains a concern. Better tester than football player at this stage of development, but upside is immense in a fly-at-the-snap scheme and could benefit tremendously from a veteran position coach.
Weren't looking for a run defender so his struggles against the run do not bother me, I remember them saying similar things about Clay Matthews. "Could benefit tremendously from a veteran position coach" - can you name a better 34 OLB coach than Kevin Greene?
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Jamal Reynolds 2.0.
Bleh pick.
Now I know it was a good pick.
It also could be that his deficiencies were the result of a lack of emphasis by the coaching staff and/or a lack of accountability from the coaching staff. Monty Kiffin plays that Tampa 2 and I don't remember when Kiffin ever had a great run defending DE? Simeon Rice was a great pass rusher, but was garbage against the run and I don't think Kiffin cared. That's why he has that bulky SS and those quick LBs. That probably contributed to Perry not being great against the run, he didn't have to be.
Courtesy of Pro Football Focus:
quote:Another of our Biggest Needs being filled, the Packers had to get somebody to play opposite Clay Matthews and they find him from his Alma Matter, USC. Matthews on his own last season notched 18 more total pressures than the rest of the Packers’ outside linebackers combined. That allowed teams to focus all their attention on Matthews, and one of the only times I can remember seeing a player genuinely triple-teamed on a play. If Green Bay can bring pressure on the other side as well, Matthews becomes even more dangerous.
quote:Originally posted by FinnLander:quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Jamal Reynolds 2.0.
Bleh pick.
Now I know it was a good pick.
TThaTT and MasTTermind made iTT.
quote:"You know what, I'm open-minded," Perry said Friday morning. "I was open-minded about this whole process. I knew I could get picked to a 3-4 team as well as a 4-3 team. I knew I could go anywhere and I don't have to adjust to anything. I felt like I had the ability, I have the skills to play in the 3-4 and I love the scheme that the Packers are in."
Perry has put himself in a good position to play either. He weighed 250 when he produced those 9 ½ sacks for USC last fall. He weighed in at a lean 271 pounds for the combine. He said his work in the weight room and eating well really paid off.
"I wasn't quite 250 when I came out; I was a little heavier," said Perry. "At the same time I didn't expect for me to gain that much weight. Once I started training for the combine, I started gaining weight, I couldn't control it."
Perry said he expects to arrive in Green Bay around May 10, the day before the Packers' rookie camp.
"I'm shocked but at the same time I'm excited," said Perry. "I will be the first one to do something big like this - for the family - and I am very thankful for the opportunity. I'm ready to put forth my best foot. And I'm ready to win. I'm ready to go to the championship and help the team any way that I can."
Can't ask for much more from this kid as we sit here today. Good attitude. Have to like that.
Attitude was never a concern for me with him. Have to keep in mind he had to watch the guy that recruited him (hard) out of Detroit bolt for Seattle. Then he had to play under the closest thing to an NCAA Death Penalty. He knew he'd never get a chance to play in a bowl game.
Stuck it out and produced for 3 years as a starter.
Monte Kiffin loves him. Monte thought enough of his talents that he often asked him to drop into zone while lined up at DE. He's not great in coverage but he has done it. Absolutely love that he's a Packer.
edit - He did play in 1 bowl game his 1st year. 2009 Emerald Bowl in SF against BC. Carroll resigned soon after that game.
Stuck it out and produced for 3 years as a starter.
Monte Kiffin loves him. Monte thought enough of his talents that he often asked him to drop into zone while lined up at DE. He's not great in coverage but he has done it. Absolutely love that he's a Packer.
edit - He did play in 1 bowl game his 1st year. 2009 Emerald Bowl in SF against BC. Carroll resigned soon after that game.
quote:Originally posted by Diggr14:
Jamal Reynolds 2.0.
Bleh pick.
Cept We traded up 7 spots to pick Reynolds at #10 overall. Staying put at #28 and picking the best player available is an entirely different matter.
I know none of this "logic" matters to you but as an emotivist, I am compelled to change your attitude.
Nick Perry is a GOOD pick.
quote:originally posted by name='net' date='27 April 2012 - 10:03 AM'
Perry is the new Jamal Reynolds. Not fish nor fowl, not big enough to be a true 3-4 defensive end, and wholly inexperienced in linebacker work. Matthews WAS a linebacker and has played linebacker. I don't care how fast or strong Perry is, he's a TWEENER, as in, "I'm not fully suited for either job".
I will be the first one to say...I won't use the "b" word as that is too strong, but really, is anyone in the pros going to fear this guy? Also, we have a cadre of OLB's now and will Perry beat out Walden?
TT blew it by not drafting Smith, who went on the next pick.....to the Vikings.
I hope we love Charlie Peprah.
maybe it's just me but would it really be that surprising if he put his hand in the ground? Correct me if I'm wrong (seriously, i might be wrong) but Terrell Suggs does quite a bit of that and he's obviously still an successful pass rusher in a 3-4. And even if he doesn't, he's an EDGE RUSHER, and if you don't think a guy who is this big and has this much explosion off the ball can be a good edge rusher then you're severely confused.
I'm cautiously optimistic about this pick.
Although he's not strictly a LB or DL guy, his versatility could turn out to be a plus, as it gives the Pack some options defensively. I think TT is banking heavily on Perry's athleticism (I heard he was stellar at the combine) and Greene's coaching to turn this kid into a servicable 3-4 linebacker.
Although he's saying the right things about wanting to help the team, etc., he has also said that he's much more of a hand-in-the-dirt player. One fan commented that Perry looked liked he had been sentenced to Siberia when announced as the Packers' #1 pick.
I really hope he embraces his new role, the team and the community.
Although he's not strictly a LB or DL guy, his versatility could turn out to be a plus, as it gives the Pack some options defensively. I think TT is banking heavily on Perry's athleticism (I heard he was stellar at the combine) and Greene's coaching to turn this kid into a servicable 3-4 linebacker.
Although he's saying the right things about wanting to help the team, etc., he has also said that he's much more of a hand-in-the-dirt player. One fan commented that Perry looked liked he had been sentenced to Siberia when announced as the Packers' #1 pick.
I really hope he embraces his new role, the team and the community.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:quote:originally posted by name='net' date='27 April 2012 - 10:03 AM'
Perry is the new Jamal Reynolds. Not fish nor fowl, not big enough to be a true 3-4 defensive end, and wholly inexperienced in linebacker work. Matthews WAS a linebacker and has played linebacker. I don't care how fast or strong Perry is, he's a TWEENER, as in, "I'm not fully suited for either job".
I will be the first one to say...I won't use the "b" word as that is too strong, but really, is anyone in the pros going to fear this guy? Also, we have a cadre of OLB's now and will Perry beat out Walden?
TT blew it by not drafting Smith, who went on the next pick.....to the Vikings.
I hope we love Charlie Peprah.
LoL, even though I have some reservations about Perry as a 3-4 LB, I'd take him 100-out-of-100 times over Smith.
Packers.com has him listed as jersey #53.
Most of the replays I watched he was speed-rushing and beat his guy on the outside.
Hope he is not one-dimensional like KGB was in that regard. Speed and athleticism is a good thing to have. We'll see.
Trust in Ted....
Hope he is not one-dimensional like KGB was in that regard. Speed and athleticism is a good thing to have. We'll see.
Trust in Ted....
quote:Originally posted by bubbleboy789:
maybe it's just me but would it really be that surprising if he put his hand in the ground? Correct me if I'm wrong (seriously, i might be wrong) but Terrell Suggs does quite a bit of that and he's obviously still an successful pass rusher in a 3-4. And even if he doesn't, he's an EDGE RUSHER, and if you don't think a guy who is this big and has this much explosion off the ball can be a good edge rusher then you're severely confused.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Capers let Kampman put his hand down occasionally and get the QB. Capers is going to play to strengths of his players, not force square pegs in a round hole. I don't think that's going to be necessary though, I think KG is going to have this guy ready to take care of business immediately like he did with Clay.
quote:Originally posted by Rusty:
Packers.com has him listed as jersey #53.
Hopefully, Fred Carr reincarnated.