Originally Posted by chickenboy:
Could also be latest and greatest make excuses for ROTT thread.
Originally Posted by sschumer:
...It has become crystal clear that Phil Emery completely botched his first draft pick as a general manager...
That's unpossible!
Originally Posted by Fond Du Arrigo:
Originally Posted by chickenboy:
Could also be latest and greatest make excuses for ROTT thread.
Scream clones.
Originally Posted by Boris:
Originally Posted by Herschel:
when you trade up to get a guy and you hit, it looks great, but trading up and whiffing maybe looks worse then it is even. TT traded up for the wrong guy(s). Had he gotten, say, Kendell Reyes it would likely be viewed quite differently.
Reyes was drafted 49th overall, Worthy was #51.
Don't see how TT could've acquired Reyes unless you're suggesting he trade HIGHER in the round?
There is a LOT of garbage from the 2012 draft for ALL teams. Tough to hit on a player when 95% of them are garbage.
Had Reyes been there (though trading up higher for a good player vs. not trading up far enough and getting a slug is also a better move, see Smith, Emmitt). Of course there's the thought/rumor that he really wanted Reyes and Worthy was a bit of a "desperation" trade up because on his board the talent at the position really dropped off after him.
Gravedigga needs to watch more Big Ten football to see who the real playas are. There goes the neighborhood!!
Originally Posted by Satori:
and the nickel D has to be able to stuff the run too
Stuff the run? Maybe that's a bit strong.
More like, go ahead and run on us if you must, because we'll slow you down just enough to out score your azz most of the time.
Originally Posted by Iowacheese:
Originally Posted by Pakrz:
The debate begins and the kid hasn't even been in the league 24 hours. He's a big, strong, athletic kid that fills a significant need on the roster. He'll show up in camp, compete and hopefully push guys like Wynn and Wilson a little further down the depth chart. Big dudes like him don't grow on trees. The questionable motor thing or taking plays off is over-stated when the draft rolls around by the "experts" IMO.
Question: Does he have any serious injuries in his past?
Question: Does he have any serious injuries in his past?
jeenious
That was a terrible take. I'll own that.
Originally Posted by oldschool:
Stuff the run? Maybe that's a bit strong.
More like, go ahead and run on us if you must, because we'll slow you down just enough to out score your azz most of the time.
Fair enough, maybe its a bit strong.... If you go back to Capers SB crew, they wanted to stuff the run and make their opponent 1 dimensional, forcing them into a 3rd and long passing situation. Then they unleashed Woodson & crew and got lots and lots of turnovers and that's what made that defense special.
Unfortunately, the ability to stuff the run on early downs went away when the OCs just decided, eff that, we'll throw on first down vs GB or go play action and carve them up. No more 3rd and long, no more INTs
Now comes the response to that response which is to have athletic guys at DL who can rush the passer on all downs if needed.
Whether or not these guys can "slow down" the run remains to be seen....but the old methods weren't working any more and so they went with different body types and a different strategy
I liked him, but after he hot hurt he never got back on the field. He has to pass the physical and then make the team to get the pick, so much left before this trade is final.
Originally Posted by oldschool:
Regarding drafting Worthy...it seems somebody, TT or maybe a Capers influence is in love with trying to remedy a defensive shortcoming by plugging in a guy with a quick first step.
In this years draft, Kyhri seems sort of like the same guy that way...and by some standards he was a reach as well, although I have higher hopes for him myself.At least he looks like a mean MF'er
Bottom line...somebody is sportin wood to get another DLineman that can slice through the interior line based on athleticism(first step) alone.
Seems sort of quick fixish to me, which is not TT's usual MO, but yeah, I kind of just trust the man.
The whole mess started when they didn't re-sign Cullen Jenkins and did re-sign Hawk. Swap those two decisions and chances are the defense plays better at both spots over the last few years by forcing the Packers to rebuild the ILB and not being so desperate on the DL to draft a chuckle head like Worthy.
I always looked at the 2012 draft as TT's attempt to give the D an aggressive attitude. Somewhere in the building they figured they needed to get tougher. McMillian ended up a dolt, Worthy was a diva and Perry is somewhat disinterested.
Yeah, it's TT's fault worthy blew out his ACL, then had an off season family tragedy that effected his psyche/rehab.
Very close relation of Pack haters to TT haters...... both are dipchits.
Because Thompson has a history of quickly dumping high draft picks due to recoverable injuries when?
Originally Posted by Henry:
Trade went through. "Unannounced pick"
And now he has to make the team as I understand it. If he gets cut they get nothing.
Appears to me that if there were no takers the Packers were likely to cut him. Even the remote possibility of a seventh is a positive given that.
It appears to me that TT just decided He's not Worthy.
Originally Posted by LarseeBear:
Originally Posted by Herschel:
Because Thompson has a history of quickly dumping high draft picks due to recoverable injuries when?
What is it about we have a logjam of better DL now, including undrafted FA, that you don't understand?
BTW, blow out your ACL and have your Grandfather kill your Grandmother and see if your summer rehab is effected when you're competing against other studs.
Originally Posted by LarseeBear:
Originally Posted by Herschel:
Because Thompson has a history of quickly dumping high draft picks due to recoverable injuries when?
What is it about we have a logjam of better DL now, including undrafted FA, that you don't understand?
BTW, blow out your ACL and have your Grandfather kill your Grandmother and see if your summer rehab is effected.
Your stupid is showing.
A: TT has shown great patience with high picks rehabbing and recovering from personal issues, see: Harrell, Justin or Sherrod, or Jolly, Johnny etc.
B: Logjam of better DL? Talk about blind homerism. Raji wasn't wanted by anyone else (the Vikings even went with Linval Joseph over him), Boyd and Pennel are rotational guys, etc. These isn't the steel curtain where highly talented guys are superfluous.
Yeah, logjam of DL not rehabbing an ACL and recovering from a Grandpa killing a Grandma.
In herschelworld that happens all the time?
Johnny Jolly wasn't a high pick.
The Vikings went with Joseph over Raji? I didn't realize you were Rick Spielman, I guess that explains why your stupid is showing.
All he's got is straw men, GD.
I didn't say our DL was all planet. I didn't compare our DL to some other team's.
I said none of OUR DL was trying to overcome the same very sad circumstances worthy was in OUR internal competition.
We're not the Steel Curtain.
We're the Green Hornet 
http://www.greenbaypressgazett...-un-worthy/14039461/
After the Jerel Worthy trade Tuesday night, Twitter and Green Bay Packers-oriented websites buzzed about general manager Ted Thompson's 2012 draft
But without context, that high early failure rate means little. And anyone who instantly declares the '12 draft a disaster is wrong.
Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Johnny Jolly wasn't a high pick.
The Vikings went with Joseph over Raji? I didn't realize you were Rick Spielman, I guess that explains why your stupid is showing.
Jolly wasn't a high pick, and even then they stuck with him through coming back from his personal issues. Harrell was a first-rounder, and they remained very patient with him. Need I go on? The Packers, while still a business in the NFL, have shown great patience with both injuries and personal issues, no?
Gesus H. Kryst, the Pack can't change their paradigms once in a while without straw men jerks soiling their panties????
Jolly was a first round talent with off the field issues according to what I read at the time of the draft. He sank all the way to the 6th round where GB took him.
Just read the first page of this thread.......I demand public shaming of each and every one of you who said pretended they knew anything about anything...particularly football.
Roll Call:
Says the guy who uttered the sentiment that Danny O'Brien reminded him of Joe Flacco.
I don't feel like digging that up, but it's there. It was a take so bad that it permanently emblazoned itself into my brain the second I saw it.
We've all had them. I hear Ryan Grant reminded someone of Emmitt Smith after he ran for 200 in that playoff game in 2007.
Come to think of it, that may have actually been your last actual football take.
Good move stopping there.
Originally Posted by JJSD:
Says the guy who uttered the sentiment that Danny O'Brien reminded him of Joe Flacco.
We've all had them. I hear Ryan Grant reminded someone of Emmitt Smith after he ran for 200 in that playoff game in 2007.
Goddamn you and your Rainman-esque memory.
Guilty.
I'm also guessing that at least 100 people had to Google Danny O'Brien.
Just to save you some time - REALLY horrible, Allen Everidge-esque QB for the Badgers. He makes Joel Stave look like Johnny Unitas.
Thought it was interesting when Ted mentioned how draft picks deal with adversity in his presser.
If a guy goes first few rounds in the draft he's grown up being the baddest ass in HS and college. They get to the NFL and its the first time they're a small fish in a big pond full of alpha predators.
At that point a kids going to work or he's going to turtle. Crack that code and you crack the draft.
If a guy goes first few rounds in the draft he's grown up being the baddest ass in HS and college. They get to the NFL and its the first time they're a small fish in a big pond full of alpha predators.
At that point a kids going to work or he's going to turtle. Crack that code and you crack the draft.
Danny O'Brien ugh. Allen Evridge
SI had a good take on this in their college football preview. Another unnamed coach provided a flattering assessment of the UW program but a comment stuck with me that basically said that this person didn't know of another team that has won as many games over the last 20 years without a QB that anyone has heard of.
That's an interesting take Chili but I am sure there are other Worthy type examples that may have worked out for teams. I just didn't feel good at all about Worthy because there were a lot of signs that he could end up being a bust due to his work ethic and/or off the field stuff.
Once again people got enamored with the "lightning fast quick step" athleticism but if you truly watched the tape his talent never lived up to the production on the field and what bothered me most about him was he should have dominated most of the time (especially against lesser opponents) but did not.
In reality it was a very unnatural TT draft choice. TT seems to embrace high character football players. Worthy was wildly inconsistent in college and there's other non-football distractions that seems to have plagued the guy as well.
Draft picks have to want things to work out for things to work out. Scouts and GMs can ask them. Watch them. Measure them.
What they decide to do the first time they get their ass destroyed by someone clearly better than they've ever seen is the fork in the road film can't pick up.
Most can't get past the shock of not even being marginal after 20 years of being the chosen one. That's adversity.
Originally Posted by Tschmack:
SI had a good take...didn't know of another team that has won as many games over the last 20 years without a QB that anyone has heard of.
Some guy won a Super Bowl last year.
Originally Posted by Tschmack:
In reality it was a very unnatural TT draft choice. TT seems to embrace high character football players. Worthy was wildly inconsistent in college and there's other non-football distractions that seems to have plagued the guy as well.
Elaborate. The guys may have been filling food shelves on the weekends or making it rains. Either way we will never know 'cause he couldn't get on the field.
Originally Posted by chickenboy:
Originally Posted by Tschmack:
In reality it was a very unnatural TT draft choice. TT seems to embrace high character football players. Worthy was wildly inconsistent in college and there's other non-football distractions that seems to have plagued the guy as well.
Elaborate. The guys may have been filling food shelves on the weekends or making it rain. Either way we will never know 'cause he couldn't get on the field.
