Those are called Kuhn dives.
Originally Posted by excalibur:
Sure. Clears it up that Favre did not talk in any serious manner about retirement prior to the drafting of AR.
You're right....prior to the drafting of AR. Nobody is talking about that. Just THIS....
Then THIS....
Favre is a self-centered, egotistical ass hole & he made it all about himself & not the team. With just a modicum of humility he turns himself into a god. Instead, he's just a dick & nothing you or anyone else says will ever make me believe differently.
I've got some friends in LA who know the guy and they rave about Hundley
They're bears fans and dreamed of him carving up the Packers in a few years...
Originally Posted by Satori:
I've got some friends in LA who know the guy and they rave about Hundley
They're bears fans and dreamed of him carving up the Packers in a few years...
That is hardly a recommendation, Bears fans.
no kidding, what would they know about a good QB ? 
They just told me he's a great kid & hard worker
Originally Posted by Satori:
no kidding, what would they know about a good QB ?
They get beat by the best twice annually
Originally Posted by Boris:
Originally Posted by excalibur:
Sure. Clears it up that Favre did not talk in any serious manner about retirement prior to the drafting of AR.
Favre is a self-centered, egotistical ass hole & he made it all about himself & not the team. With just a modicum of humility he turns himself into a god. Instead, he's just a dick & nothing you or anyone else says will ever make me believe differently.
Both videos are 2008. Rodgers was drafted in 2005. And I said there was little talk of Favre retiring at that time of Rodgers being drafted, which was 2005. So your attempt to refute what I said is a FAIL. Get over the Favre hatred already.
So he's the black John Kuhn?quote:They just told me he's a great kid & hard worker
Excalibur....I know exactly what you said.
That isnt what anyone is referring to with respect to Favre.
What we're referring to is exactly what I posted.
Why don't you get over your Favre worshipping.
That isnt what anyone is referring to with respect to Favre.
What we're referring to is exactly what I posted.
Why don't you get over your Favre worshipping.
Not sure how this digressed into a Favre thread but,
Remember how pissed Dickweed was when he thought the best replacement for Sherman was Mariucci only Ted never interviewed him? Mariucci would have understood recliners, free agent wishes, practice schedules, and that interceptions happen when building legends.
He's going to say all the right things at his retirement but deep down his singular greatest regret isnt behaving like a petulant d-bag from the second Moss was traded to Oakland prior to the 2005 season when he really ramped up the retirement chatter. It's throwing that mother****ing pick to Tracy Porter. That ****ed up the master plan. So he took $20 million in retirement scratch from Minnesota and half bagged it to the tractor.
I just hope he had a nice comfortable spot watching Aaron Rodgers "finally" winning a Super Bowl after telling Peppers to beat Green Bay. That must have hurt more than we'll ever know.
**** Brett Favre.
Brandied Cherry on top....
It wasn't the Super Bowl win by Rodgers that hurts Favre the most. It's Rodger's Super Bowl MVP. I bet he looked something like this...
As a fan. I can absolutely pinpoint the apex zenith of my hatred for Brett Favre, the Vikings and Viking fans.
November 1 2009. Stadium View. Green Bay Wisconsin. After the game two Viking fans raised a beer at me and told me thanks for thinking Aaron Rodgers was the future. Constraint matters.
Everything that happened after that moment has been a grand unfolding of the supreme force of karma. Brett Favre is a dick and Viking fans hitched hopes to a dick wagon.
TOG's on-field performance the last couple of years or so he was with the Packers was what ruined his legacy for me. All the 'gun-slinging', all the "just a kid out there having fun", all the 'warrior' stuff...culminated into him turning into a giant pussy.
Flipping a pass when he was 15 yards past the LOS so he wouldn't get hit, and his pitiful performance in the cold vs the Giants in the NFCCG cemented that. The worst thing of it all was he was hurting the TEAM.
All of his retirement crap, Greta Van Susteren interview, Vikings tampering, calls to opposing teams was just him swirling the bowl after we flushed. And we know how that ends...
Man, you guys are making it hard for me to forgive and forget 
Sorry Thunderbird....just had to get that out. FF....that's going to be my response every time now. FF
If Brett had murdered my whole family there would still be slurpers on this board asking me to get over it. I won't. I dislike Favre intensely for his douchebaggery.
I'm 45, so I wasn't alive for Lombardi ERA success. So I have no context at how great/entertaining/exciting those seasons were. I understand from my father and others that 1967 was very fulfilling as it was the last gasp of that era and was a struggle that year.
But, in my view, the 2010 season was hands down the best year for football because we:
1. Were coming off the year that Favre pissed away the NFCC
2. We beat the ever living piss out of the Vikings TWICE including this.
3. Rodgers cemented himself as hands down the best QB in the game
4. The Atlanta playoff game.
5. Winning the Super Bowl.
6. Rodgers winning MVP.
Sticking it to Favre might be childish on my part, but that season was immensely better because of Favre being a douchebag. It was better because we saw him fail his team the year prior. It was better because his classic INT was the defining moment in losing to GB, in GB. It was better because we humiliated him in Minny while AR goes 4 TDs 0 INTs. It was better because our QB didn't piss down his leg come playoff time. It was better because Rodgers wins the Super Bowl MVP when Favre didn't (and to be fair he totally should have).
Favre pissed all over this franchise and its fans. He lied over and over and over. He concocted stories. He tried planting a story in the media that Thompson is gay. He called Matt Millen to try and help them beat us. He went on Greta's TV show and lied. He sent his redneck mother and brother out there to lie about us. His wife's fukking Thanks Ted jersey moment. He spent years trying to be the GM of this franchise. He single handedly lost games for us at crunch time.
I get being pissed off. I get trying to stick it to the Packers on the field. I honestly don't begrudge him that. The lying, the stories, the family night fiasco, the "I've never had a better atmosphere than here in Minnesota". That I don't accept.
At times I think I've mellowed slightly over time with him. I think I've transitioned from hate to don't care. I appreciate and acknowledge what he did on the field for us, he was a stud for many years that helped, along with Reggie and Ron, put us on the map. I won't overestimate it though, he pissed away a lot of opportunities - we should have won the SB in 2003 and 2007 clearly, and I'd argue 2002 was ripe for the taking.
I hate what he became under Sherman, and clearly that lack of leadership on Sherman's part played a significant role in his mutiny under Thompson. He was the de facto GM under Sherman, and he hated that Thompson wouldn't dare let him continue in that role. I hate how he left and the silliness he caused and the way he tried undermining Rodgers.
All this after Green Bay saved his goddamned life. If GB doesn't come a calling, Favre is a footnote in history of being a crazy redneck that ended his career 0-4 passing with 2 INTs. And, who knows how his life ends up - another drunken car crash?
And, again, typing this all out again, it all comes back - Fukk Favre.
I think the Favre fans confuse Favre the person and Favre the player...they're two completely different animals. Favre the player was very accomplished and I have respect for the career that he had...how can you not with 3 MVPs, a SB ring, and some of the biggest passing records. That's a Hall of Fame career. Favre the person was never someone that should have been respected because he was always a mess and he was always selfish and reckless. Favre the person was a POS and looking back on it now it shouldn't have been surprising that he reacted in the most selfish, immature way possible to leaving GB involuntarily. He didn't treat it like a business, he let it get personal.
Packer fans who grew to be angry at Favre did it for two reasons. They had previously loved Favre and became angry when he destroyed his own legacy and/or they love the Packers and became angry when he tried to diminish the team. Those who didn't turn on Favre turned against TT and would justify/deny all wrongs to protect their hero worship.
Favre was, by all accounts, a very good person to many also though, from the equipment guy and film guys on out. The harsh reality is we (as a society) tend to view certain types of people as ideals rather than the fallible human beings that they are, especially ones who feed and feed on an ego to do what they do best. I'd rather not pick sides unilaterally myself, and try to see the good (and bad) in everyone.
I'm hoping Hundley develops as Rodgers did, learning what's applicable from the guy in front of him while developing his own identity and taking the time to fix what needs fixing. The kid has a great tool set to work with if he has the patience and wherewithal to take advantage of his situation.
1. Were coming off the year that Favre pissed away the NFCC
2. We beat the ever living piss out of the Vikings TWICE including this.
3. Rodgers cemented himself as hands down the best QB in the game
4. The Atlanta playoff game.
4a. Beating the Bears in the NFCCG
5. Winning the Super Bowl.
6. Rodgers winning MVP.
Is Mike Sherman going to be the new Brett's coach?
Excellent post.
Two comments with regards to this part.
2. We beat the ever living piss out of the Vikings TWICE including this.
a - Collinsworth slurping Favre that the ankle was the reason for the INT and not that Favre made a bad decision.
b - We're going to see a lot of Clay at ILB this year.
Originally Posted by Boris:
4a. Beating the Bears in the NFCCG
To be fair, that is so far above everything else for #1 that year, I didn't even think of it.
But, very good correction.
2010 season & subsequent playoff run was the most special & spectacular year ever. I know we'll never see another one like that in our lifetime. All the crap we went through in 2008 & 2009. Especially that bull$hit playoff loss to the Cardinals....made the 2010 season so much sweeter.
Man.... we really got off topic but I'm passionate about that subject.
Back to Hundley, we traded up for this guy & I'm certain the Bills were going to draft him. I hope he develops into something special.
Some Niner fans think we drafted him to play "Kap" on our scout team so we can prepare better for the Niner QB. Thought that was interesting & there may be something to it
I think this is standard TT operating procedure. He drafted for value, and I think 2013 showed that if AR goes down, we aren't surviving on Tolzien or Flynn. Frankly, it's overdue, as TT had drafted only BJ Coleman the previous 6 years.
Best case, he shows a lot in preseason and we move him in a couple years for a draft pick.
Agreed, totally a value pick. In a position of need.
Ted liking PAC 12 players. That's gotta be at least a dozen the last 5 years. Sammy Seale and company have his trust apparently.
Interesting to note this year, there's been a fair amount of picks already sign contracts.
If Hundley's smert, he realizes that this is the best outcome he could have hoped for on draft night. He learns from the best QB in the game (and I gotta believe AR is a better mentor than TOG), and he gets coached by a guy who develops QBs like nobody else. I hope Hundley knows that he has two eyes, two ears, and one mouth for a reason: watch, listen, ask questions, and learn from the best.
Love that Flynn and Tolzien development....
