Rosenhaus got his version out and we'll likely never know the complete details of the negotiations. Agree that age and durability were probably the biggest factors in the move.
@Boris posted:Does anyone think this will be Jonesy's last year in the NFL?? Raise your hand āš¼
The guys this morning on Sirius mentioned something interesting....Jacobs has about 200 MORE carries than Aaron Jones even though he's 3 years younger. Going to guess some of that is due to injury.
It depends how badly Jones needs the money.
Melvin Gordon is a very similar back to Jones. Two-time Pro Bowler. A threat in the passing game. His career statistics are very similar to AJ (Jones has 8000 yards from scrimmage and 63 total TDs while Gordon is 9000 yards and 70 total TDs).
Gordon played out his rookie contract and got one decent 2nd contract (2 years and 16 million). He's made 34 million in his career and just turned 30. But Gordon has hung around on the fringes of rosters and been on practice squads the last two seasons making the minimum. Maybe he just loves football and wants to hang around the game as much as possible. Maybe he wants to make as much money as possible. Maybe he really needs the money. Who knows?
Even if this is his last big money contract year, I think we'll see Jones hang around like Melvin Gordon did.
@Dr._Bob posted:
I agree. I couldn't decide between the aforementioned "banner" comment or the also overused (by me) "he's a bad person..." comment. Sometimes I can't help myself. I just don't want to become as predictable and one trick pony'd as FRONT OFFICE guy.
A. Jones is clearly miffed at the Packers, perfectly understandable.
Its not like GB took a chance on an undersized 5th round RB with fumbling issues, developed him into an NFL star, all while paying him north of $34M in cash and prizes. That's just a horrible way to treat another human being.
A human being who happily took a little more cash to play for a rival instead of retiring a legend in Titletown.
And yes, $1-2 million is a lot of money...if you make $ 65,000 a year.
But if you already have $10M in the bank earning 10%, its a lousy decision.
( $100K / month for the rest of his life - without touching the principal)
Cash is no longer the rare commodity; winning football games and chasing a Title is the goal.
My biggest sadness with Jones is that he chose to put his surgically repaired knees on the death turf in minny, for a little mo money
He's mad because he let Rosenhaus & his agent ego make a really poor decision for him and because his Jones' own ego couldn't bear the public "humiliation" of negotiating another lesser deal to stay where he really wanted to stay.
The only person Jones should be pissed at is Alvin Jones' son, Aaron.
Thanks for everything Aaron Jones !
It was an honor to have you as a Mighty Green Bay Packer.
now go home and get your purple shinebox
Per Matt Schneidman of The Athletic, the Packers didn't offer Jones ONLY $1 million less than he got from the Vikings. It was $3 million less, with $2 million in incentives. The incentives were most likely based on playing time and/or performance milestones (which are largely based on playing time).
I can't blame either side for the decision they made. I hope Jonesy is a star for a crappy under .500 team, and his two least productive games are against the Packers.
PS - Jones has already taken less money a couple times to help the Packers cap situation. So factor in those pay cuts into the "only $1 million less".
@H5 posted:And McCarthy.
Yup, and that meant a slower start to Jones' career than a 1st round RB.
Jones only started 4 games in year 1 and 8 games in year 2, so he wasn't racking up carries right away. Some of that is because he struggled with pass pro early on, some because of the other RBs on the roster. Many wondered why Jamaal Williams was getting more snaps than Jones; Ty Montgomery was getting snaps too
Jones also "suffered" from an HC and a QB who were allergic to running the ball, leading to a lower run / pass ratio
https://www.pro-football-refer...ayers/J/JoneAa00.htm
@Satori posted:Yup, and that meant a slower start to Jones' career than a 1st round RB.
Jones only started 4 games in year 1 and 8 games in year 2, so he wasn't racking up carries right away. Some of that is because he struggled with pass pro early on, some because of the other RBs on the roster. Many wondered why Jamaal Williams was getting more snaps than Jones; Ty Montgomery was getting snaps too
Jones also "suffered" from an HC and a QB who were allergic to running the ball, leading to a lower run / pass ratio
https://www.pro-football-refer...ayers/J/JoneAa00.htm
Nothing made me more nuts when Jones would start a game with running the damn ball and then inexplicably disappear under MM/AR. It also to some degree happened with LaFleur but I imagine that had much to do with not pissing off King Aaron early in MLFs tenure here.
Early on in Eddie Lacyās career, same shit. Dude would be running people over and then MM just ignored the run game. Maddening.
Iāll file your complaint under āWe do what we doā
One scouts view on Aaron Jones when he was first drafted into GB with pick number 182, the 39th slot in the 5th round of 2017.
https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2017
"RB Jones: Our area guy really liked Jones and graded the hands as elite.
I'll never pound the table for a little RB but that film was pretty damn good really. I'll be sold if he keeps the damn ball off the ground. Plays faster than the numbers and a little bigger than the size because of top shelf balance.
Good little football player. Worth the pick IMO. We had him on our late board. Nice having two RB's in Green Bay that left their schools as the all time leading rushers....and Jones did so as a JR "
@packerboi posted:Nothing made me more nuts when Jones would start a game with running the damn ball and then inexplicably disappear under MM/AR. It also to some degree happened with LaFleur but I imagine that had much to do with not pissing off King Aaron early in MLFs tenure here.
Early on in Eddie Lacyās career, same shit. Dude would be running people over and then MM just ignored the run game. Maddening.
Or was at the point where AR would just decide to run whatever he wanted to and change the plays on MM?
@Satori posted:But if you already have $10M in the bank earning 10%, its a lousy decision.
( $100K / month for the rest of his life - without touching the principal)
Where the fuck do you bank at? Try 5% and that's a relatively new phenomenon that came with inflation. (Vanguard) To get to 10% you have to put the principal at risk.
5% of 10 Mil is 500k
Feds take their cut, you are now at 350k a year.
CA taxes will take about 9% more of that leaving you with under $300k.
Robin Leach now pretends he doesn't recognize you.
Point being, Jones has already taken team friendly deals, I do not fault him one bit for searching out the highest bidder. Have you seen what a nice USED billfish boat costs these days?
@BrainDed posted:Where the fuck do you bank at? Try 5% and that's a relatively new phenomenon that came with inflation. (Vanguard) To get to 10% you have to put the principal at risk.
5% of 10 Mil is 500k
Feds take their cut, you are now at 350k a year.
CA taxes will take about 9% more of that leaving you with under $300k.
Robin Leach now pretends he doesn't recognize you.Point being, Jones has already taken team friendly deals, I do not fault him one bit for searching out the highest bidder. Have you seen what a nice USED billfish boat costs these days?
I got a good deal on mine.
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Aaron Jones has some pretty pricey mortgage payments to cover. I doubt this was an all-cash offer.
@Satori posted:We've been over this before.
High net worth individuals are privy to investments not available to us little people.Speaking of little people - check your PMs. Its time pay your bet debt.
Yes they are, but those are not risk free investments that churn out a 10% return as you implied. Those private equity investments are high risk / high reward, not CD's that pay more than you can get at US Bank. Bond rates and treasury rates are what they are, no matter how much you invest.
@Satori posted:A. Jones is clearly miffed at the Packers, perfectly understandable.
Its not like GB took a chance on an undersized 5th round RB with fumbling issues, developed him into an NFL star, all while paying him north of $34M in cash and prizes. That's just a horrible way to treat another human being.
A human being who happily took a little more cash to play for a rival instead of retiring a legend in Titletown.
And yes, $1-2 million is a lot of money...if you make $ 65,000 a year.But if you already have $10M in the bank earning 10%, its a lousy decision.
( $100K / month for the rest of his life - without touching the principal)Cash is no longer the rare commodity; winning football games and chasing a Title is the goal.
My biggest sadness with Jones is that he chose to put his surgically repaired knees on the death turf in minny, for a little mo money
He's mad because he let Rosenhaus & his agent ego make a really poor decision for him and because his Jones' own ego couldn't bear the public "humiliation" of negotiating another lesser deal to stay where he really wanted to stay.
The only person Jones should be pissed at is Alvin Jones' son, Aaron.
Thanks for everything Aaron Jones !
It was an honor to have you as a Mighty Green Bay Packer.
now go home and get your purple shinebox
Leave Aaron alone. Big bully.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:Aaron Jones has some pretty pricey mortgage payments to cover. I doubt this was an all-cash offer.
All cash payment on a house is a pretty dumb financial move.
@BrainDed posted:Yes they are, but those are not risk free investments that churn out a 10% return as you implied. Those private equity investments are high risk / high reward, not CD's that pay more than you can get at US Bank. Bond rates and treasury rates are what they are, no matter how much you invest.
Are you really that terrified of risk? No risk no glory.
Here I thought he lived in GB and itās 20k to move to Minnehaha
Thankfully he is conservative with his finances, and now living in Miami where itās cheap.
@Iowacheese posted:Here I thought he lived in GB and itās 20k to move to Minnehaha
Thankfully he is conservative with his finances, and now living in Miami where itās cheap.
No income tax. Too bad he works mostly in Wisconsin.š¢
@Goalline posted:No income tax. Too bad he works mostly in Wisconsin.š¢
One week a year now
I would celebrate for him but income tax is even high in Minnesota.
@Goalline posted:All cash payment on a house is a pretty dumb financial move.
Tour of the house 11:00 in. Shockingly, I don't think that couple worked out. 
@Goalline posted:Are you really that terrified of risk? No risk no glory.
Nobody ever said anything about "no risk"
- that's a strawman that Brainded created and then slayed. All by himself.
You can see how proud he is of that amazing accomplishment, having debunked a myth that never existed.
Aaron Jones was very worried about making it work with only $40M in career earnings if he stayed in GB, but with a boost to $43M via minny - apparently he's gonna be all set. Congrats
Now he can afford a nice new TV to watch the Packers in the playoffs too.
My man claims I'm arguing a strawman and comes back with that.
You've outdone yourself with that one. Impressive.
My money. Do everything I legally can to avoid taxes, and everything I can do to never pay interest.
Gonna miss Jones, but he was not available for an entire year. GB had only one entire season out of Jones, 2022 for 1121 yards; he came close in a couple others for 16, 15, 14. For his seven years in GB, he averaged 848 yards per year. What's weird is that in four years and in a different role, AJ Dillon averaged 607 yards/year. And I say "weird" because I would have expected that gap to be bigger.
Another stat with Jones is that in 2022, when he had 213 rushes, he fumbled 5 times (they don't separate rushes/fumbles or catches/fumble). Last year in 11 games, he had two fumbles. I don't know what you guys thought, but several times in last year's run I held my breath whenever Jones touched the ball. While he didn't fumble too often, he seemed to at the worst times.
Frankly, I hope Jones does well except for twice a year against GB. But on that MN turf, even if they replace it, it's a huge risk. He's a great person, but as a GM if you fall in love with a player and let sentiment rule your decisions, the only way to go is down.
@Fandame posted:Gonna miss Jones, but he was not available for an entire year.
With the NFL moving to a 17 game season ( maybe 18, barf) I was thinking there's a value in keeping your RB's legs fresh for the December-February run.
One of the reasons Jones looked elite in December is because he was fresh after missing so much time. I can see this as an interesting strategery going forward, keeping one RB on PS all season long and then unleashing him in December.
Can't really do that with other positions, but RB is amenable to a platoon and there are enough of them available to have Mr. December on your roster. Simultaneously, you rest your bell cow Jacobs more so he is a little fresher in January-February
Itās been a pretty positive offseason so farā¦lots of reasons to be excited about next season. Still bummed that AJ is gone though. I donāt blame him for taking as much money as he could get even if it is with the Queens.
Woulda been nice to see him play one more season in GB.
@YATittle posted:Thanks for the details. Surprised the Pack didn't offer more in incentives to bring it up to $8M POTENTIALLY.
It's important to remember the dead cap money on Jones' contract. Giving him $8m would push an extra $17m in dead cap to next year. Josh Jacobs' cap hit for this year AND next year is $16m combined.
So you either have a 30yo RB on the books for $25m over two years or pay a 26yo RB $16m for the same amount of time.
Jones was a cap casualty as much as anything. And I think the Packers were surprised at what Jacobs was willing to sign for and jumped at the chance when Jones turned down the Packers offer.
@Satori posted:With the NFL moving to a 17 game season ( maybe 18, barf) I was thinking there's a value in keeping your RB's legs fresh for the December-February run.
I think with the longer season teams need to prioritize running back a little bit more, at least prioritize the platoon so that the running back can be more fresh at the back half of the season
āWeā all need to be āmore freshā
With a longer season they need to expand the roster. Friggin ridiculous play more games with same players....most of which are hurt by week 18
That'll cost money though.
@Iowacheese posted:āWeā all need to be āmore freshā
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