@RochNyFan posted:Definitely better than the night before when I slept like crap after Notre Dame ripped my heart out with that last play failure.
Was just sick over Notre Dame as well. 
Yep, I watched that Notre Dame game with my dad who was an ND ‘64 grad. He doesn’t usually get too worked up about losses but that one hurt even him.
At least Pack and Badgers won to lessen the sting a bit.
@H5 posted:
I love this. Younger coaches run the risk of being too buddy-buddy with players. Glad to see MLF inspires a little fear in his players. Hard to coach without that.
@Goldie posted:Well ok then……slept really well, and wake up and still can’t believe they won. Makes me so proud to be a wishy washy fan.
♥️ 💚 💛
Even when the Packers are loosing big time, I watch until the last second. I can’t help it.
@Goldie posted:Was just sick over Notre Dame as well.
Yeah, but I know someone who's such an obnoxious Tosu shill that I'd even root for the F***ing Irish to beat them.
@CUPackFan posted:I love this. Younger coaches run the risk of being too buddy-buddy with players. Glad to see MLF inspires a little fear in his players. Hard to coach without that.
Same, and there have been lots of commentary about MiLF being soft. He coached very aggressively yesterday.
All gas, no fuckin' brakes!
and ya know, all those retired Packer players, made that rookie Notre Dame kicker miss that field goal.
At the time I was hoping they would all collectively exhale in the same general direction.
@Slobknocker posted:Biggest plus of the game was MLF realizing that going for 2 down 14 points gave the Packers a better shot at winning the game then playing for the tie and seeing what happens in OT. Conventional wisdom says to kick the extra point, score another touchdown, kick that extra point and tie the game at 17-17. Theoretically, the Packers scored those last two touchdowns would have the momentum as they likely would be heading into overtime. But this obscures one crucial point, the goal is to win the game, not tie it. Tying the game simply means you're asking your Joe Barry defense to make another stop and your offense to put together a third scoring drive, rather than two. If overtime is involved, this brings a coin flip into the equation, where your offense must score a third touchdown (if you win the toss) or make a stop and then kick a field goal (if you lose the toss).If the 2-point try was successful, the Packers would now trail 17-11, and another touchdown plus an extra point wins you the game. What's more statistically likely: putting together three consecutive scoring drives (7 + 7 + 3) or converting one 2-point conversion (8 + 7)? If the Packers' 2-point try didn't work, keeping their deficit at 17-9, that didn't doom their hopes. It's still a one-possession game at that point. A touchdown and a 2-point conversion ties the game, leaving the Packers exactly where they'd been had they just kicked the PAT. But even if you miss both 2 point conversions, your still OK. Remember, kicking two extra points still requires three scoring drives to win -- TD, TD, FG. But missing both 2-point tries still leaves you with a chance to win the game in three drives in this scenario -- 6 + 6 + 3 gives you 15 points, enough to erase a 14-point deficit.
@EC Pack posted:I was told there would be no math.....
The equation is missing the logic of passing on a field goal attempt down 17 with 15:00 to go and instead turning it over on downs at the 13. Pick up 3 there it's a 2 possession game with 15 to go. Instead, you make it a 3 possession game with 15 to go. Have to believe analytics says needing 2 possessions with 15 to go is better than needing 3.
I was ok with going for it on 1st 4th down that net zero points. It was a bummer but MLF was aggressive, I like that attitude.
@JimBobDuggar posted:The equation is missing the logic of passing on a field goal attempt down 17 with 15:00 to go and instead turning it over on downs at the 13. Pick up 3 there it's a 2 possession game with 15 to go. Instead, you make it a 3 possession game with 15 to go. Have to believe analytics says needing 2 possessions with 15 to go is better than needing 3.
Another part of the equation .... MLF said in his presser that he told Love that if they came to the LOS of scrimmage and he saw something he liked (something with a high percentage of successfully getting the first down) to go for it, if not that would have taken the delay and kicked the FG. The First down was there but he and Taylor weren't on the same page.
Positives:
Crowd was about as loud as I've heard it for the final 10 minutes of the game.
Gotta love 4th quarter comebacks. That was the big knock on Rodgers his first few years and Love already has a big one in his hip pocket.
Defense played very well throughout the game.
Young guys still making big impacts. Don't really have a choice, we have so many of them.
Rashan Gary. I wasn't aware he played less than 40% of the snaps. The guy is just unblockable.
Quay Walker. Damn, this guy is gonna make a push for All Pro as a sophomore.
Negatives:
First 45 minutes of the game.
Lots of people packed up and left late in the 3rd / early in the 4th quarter. Your loss, suckers!
Campbell and Valentine leaving with injuries.
Penalties. This 3 game stretch has to be the worst one under LaFluer for unforced errors.
Dillon. Woof. It's an improvement over last week but 3 YPC isn't gonna cut it. Need Jones healthy the rest of the year.
@Fedya posted:Yeah, but I know someone who's such an obnoxious Tosu shill that I'd even root for the F***ing Irish to beat them.
@PackerHawk posted:Positives:
Rashan Gary. I wasn't aware he played less than 40% of the snaps. The guy is just unblockable.
I think it was H5 posted this earlier
Rashan Gary had four QB hits and three sacks on 23 defensive snaps yesterday #Packers
— Wes Hodkiewicz 🌎 (@WesHod) September 25, 2023
If Gary is stoned on the other 16 snaps (he wasn't) that's a 30.4% win rate. Official stats come out Wednesday -- Dude is an animal & the Saints O-Line isn't bad
I was stoned for most of the Iowa-Penn State game. Which was nice. 
So was most of the Iowa football team.
+ Our guys never gave up
+ Romeo Doubs is 2nd in the NFL is Receiving TDs
- penalties
@Blair Kiel posted:I was never that brave to try that and I have way too many family members that text about the game in real time. I’ve tried it with preseason games, but even that was a fail…I set a game to record and as I was out and about, my phone was blowing up and I knew someone must have gotten hurt—that’s the only reason anyone would text during a preseason game—-it was Jordy’s knee.
I definitely have to turn the phone off-and I have been doing this so long--my family and most everyone I know understands --that in my words--I am trying to achieve media blackout--I worked weekends on a psych unit during my VCRing days -and it was a very diagnostic exercise to see who on the unit would want to telegraph the score and who would not----for both staff and patients
@Boris posted:@Johnson - You need to stop wearing Packer gear when you go out in public. Hot button topic and icebreaker for conversation.
That's how I avoid the score if I'm looking to do so.
yeah---that was really stupid--my daughter was with me--and she said: "well, what did you expect"?----a rookie mistake
@Tschmack posted:+ + +
they won a game they had no business winning
Love with the 4Q comeback (fuqk u Rodgers)
Gary was pretty disruptive
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A whole lot
I was thinking they had no business losing that game.
It seemed (to me) they played better than the Saints did. Stupid penalties at the most inopportune times really handicapped the Packers. If not for those, I don't think the Packers would have been down by 17.
See Our American Cousin and M T Lincolns review of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPIWFdWaWxs
PFF grade breakdown.
@Pikes Peak posted:See Our American Cousin and M T Lincolns review of it.
I used my history degree to figure that one out!
@Packiderm posted:He found that article on the floor in a bathroom in Florida.
I thought it was in his garage
@CUPackFan posted:I love this. Younger coaches run the risk of being too buddy-buddy with players. Glad to see MLF inspires a little fear in his players. Hard to coach without that.
But they call him Matt.
@titmfatied posted:
Not sure if anyone brought this up in the game day thread but I haven't seen or heard a single "analyst" bring this up about the 2 point conversion.
You are now down by 6 with 7 minutes left to play. I think they still had 3 timeouts left at that point? 2 for sure. Let's say your next drive stalls and you are in FG range with maybe 3 minutes left. You can take the FG there and play for another possession to either win with a TD or send the game to OT with another FG.
@skully posted:So was most of the Iowa football team.
Yep. I'd like to think Brian Ferentz's days are numbered but when daddy is the boss that's probably not going to happen. But I think his chances of getting that pay raise that he wants is not gonna happen.
@PackerHawk posted:Not sure if anyone brought this up in the game day thread but I haven't seen or heard a single "analyst" bring this up about the 2 point conversion.
You are now down by 6 with 7 minutes left to play. I think they still had 3 timeouts left at that point? 2 for sure. Let's say your next drive stalls and you are in FG range with maybe 3 minutes left. You can take the FG there and play for another possession to either win with a TD or send the game to OT with another FG.
I've see it analyzed a few times. I think the best explanation I saw is doing it the way Lafleur did gives you a 13% better chance of winning than the conventional way. I think you'll see this more in the league just like you see more 4th down attempts.
@PackerHawk posted:Not sure if anyone brought this up in the game day thread but I haven't seen or heard a single "analyst" bring this up about the 2 point conversion.
Mina Kimes mentioned it and how she loved it.
You play to win the game! Hello!
Completely agree with the decision to go for two. Even if you miss you still have the opportunity for a tie. That's why it was the correct decision in that situation.
Analytics baby....it works.
Now...
Let's just say the 2 point attempt failed. Then the Packers score another TD with like a minute left and fail again on the 2 point attempt. Final score Saints 17 - Packers 15. I wonder how many people would be lighting up LaFluer's ass this week?