I'll say this about Bill B. With 9:40 left in the game, down 28-9 and facing 4th and goal from the 15 Bill sent in the FG team to make it a 16pt game. Which is absolutely the right call. Still need two scores and a couple 2 point conversions but you can't give away those points. How many coaches in that situation hit the panic button and go for it? Bill never panics. It seems like he's always in total control during the game. He doesn't always win. But he always seems to make calculated decisions that are almost always the right choice. 

Theres been much said of his mysterious data/analyst/numbers/statistical/probability guru that's almost never seen but is always in his ear. I'm not sure if that guy has a direct line to Bill during games but it wouldn't surprise me. 

DH13 posted:

That ATL bed crapping is the bed crapping that all future bed crappings will be measured against.  

Well at least the Queenies have a goal for next year now! 

I guess me and Bill B. are a lot alike. The math isn't that complicated.

MichiganPacker posted:

Here's a thought experiment. Brady will be thought of as the G.O.A.T. He's got the rings, but...

If you replaced Brady with Rodgers what would the result have been?

Didn't we see Rodgers against these Falcons 2 weeks ago? What was the result?

Goalline posted:

MichiganPacker posted:

Here's a thought experiment. Brady will be thought of as the G.O.A.T. He's got the rings, but...

If you replaced Brady with Rodgers what would the result have been?

Didn't we see Rodgers against these Falcons 2 weeks ago? What was the result?

And a few weeks before that game

ChilliJon posted:

I'll say this about Bill B. With 9:40 left in the game, down 28-9 and facing 4th and goal from the 15 Bill sent in the FG team to make it a 16pt game. Which is absolutely the right call. Still need two scores and a couple 2 point conversions but you can't give away those points. How many coaches in that situation hit the panic button and go for it? Bill never panics. It seems like he's always in total control during the game. He doesn't always win. But he always seems to make calculated decisions that are almost always the right choice.

Idiot Boomer Esiason on the radio broadcast was thinking that Belichick would go for it, when it was obvious to me that since they needed a 3 and two 8s, you get the 3 when it presents itself.

The intelligence of Mike Holmgren and James Lofton couldn't make up for Boomer's stupidity.

Didn't we see Rodgers against these Falcons 2 weeks ago? What was the result?

I don't think MichiganPacker was suggesting replacing the Pats' DC with Dom Capers.

bvan posted:

ilcuqui posted:

For the record, Vince and Bart still are the greatest winning combo in league history. Bart is 9-1 in championship games. He called all his own plays.

Montana and Brady and Elway are great too. My litmus test is who could have willed his team down the field the way Bart did in the Ice Bowl after having had the snot kicked out of him the entire second half. I think any of those three could have done it. But Bart and Vince are still kings. Don't ever forget.

With a lot of help from Chuck Mercein.

Your numbers are a little off ilcuqui.  Bart and Vince would be 5-1 in championships, 7-1 if you count NFL Championships and Super Bowls as 2 separate championships.   Donny Anderson did a lot in the Ice Bowl too. 

I was rooting for Atlanta, but not so much that I couldn't appreciate what the Patriots did.

I thought the turning point of the game was the Coleman injury.  It seemed like the moment he went down, ATL abandoned their run game and they played right into the Patriots hands.  Another guy got hurt a play later for the Falcons and you could sense that they really felt the pressure after that.  New England pounced on ATLs sense of dread, added to their dread and pulled out the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history.

In watching this game, the Packers defense looks significantly behind either of these 2 teams.  I just wonder if the Pack can push the right buttons and make the right moves in 1 offseason to catch these teams.

Belichick vs Lombardi isn't even a meaningful comparison for me. Lombardi is a myth and a legend. I'm never going to see him coach a game. I don't have the context of watching all of his contemporaries.

The trophy isn't going to be renamed, and I took Aikman's comment as tongue-in-cheek, nothing to get defensive over.

As for the fourth and 15 field goal attempt. Of course that was the right call. But not entirely because of the 'simple math' of 3 + 8 + 8 = no more deficit. If it were 4th and 2 going for it would be the right call. Your chances of actually making it have to factor in.

After the Falcons built a 28-3 lead in #SB51, they rushed the ball four times for a grand total of 10 yards! Way to go Kyle Shanahan...

— Damien Woody (@damienwoody) February 6, 2017

ChilliJon posted:

Theres been much said of his mysterious data/analyst/numbers/statistical/probability guru that's almost never seen but is always in his ear. I'm not sure if that guy has a direct line to Bill during games but it wouldn't surprise me. 

Didn't the Packers lose their math guy a couple years ago?  There was article about it somewhere.  I think it came out during the skid.

Mike Eayrs retired last year - he was in his mid 60's.

Fedya posted:

Didn't we see Rodgers against these Falcons 2 weeks ago? What was the result?

I don't think MichiganPacker was suggesting replacing the Pats' DC with Dom Capers.

Ladarius Gunter didn't hold Arod to 21 points.

Crosby and Rip did

 

Fedya posted:

Didn't we see Rodgers against these Falcons 2 weeks ago? What was the result?

Yes, but we didn't see him with 4 healthy starting receivers, 2 healthy starting RB's or even 4 healthy starting OLmen.    I think the point of the earlier comment was putting AR in NE's offense.  And I totally agree.  AR makes those throws left handed.

Tom Brady’s “Roger that” shirt puts fifth ring on middle finger

http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...dle-finger/#comments

For the record, DH13, those words are Goalline's, not mine.

DH13 posted:

 

Fedya posted:

Didn't we see Rodgers against these Falcons 2 weeks ago? What was the result?

Yes, but we didn't see him with 4 healthy starting receivers, 2 healthy starting RB's or even 4 healthy starting OLmen.    I think the point of the earlier comment was putting AR in NE's offense.  And I totally agree.  AR makes those throws left handed.

Exactly. Give AR NE's defense and some semblance of a running game. 

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 7m

Devin McCourty is maybe the most respected #Patriots player in the locker room. This speaks loudly.

Screw 'im!

Sounds like a Patriot

So we couldn't talk about politics in this forum when there was a Democrat president, but we can now?

Progressives love the free exchange of opinions.... until one differs from theirs.

PS. I hate Trump. He is a piece of schyt. But that's not my point, is it?

Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:

Crosby and Rip did

Move them to CB.

packerboi posted:

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 7m

Devin McCourty is maybe the most respected #Patriots player in the locker room. This speaks loudly.

Oh Ian, Ian, Ian. Such a piss-poor, transparent, and juvenile effort to inject your own bias and political agenda into this story. This is nothing more than one man's own beliefs, (Which is absolutely McCourty's right and he is completely entitled to his own opinion.) and you've decided to inject your own ridiculous hyperbole into the story. Maybe he's respected for his play on the field and not his political opinions but you don't really know so you just throw out some general B.S. comment. Are you trying to say that nobody else in the locker room feels as though they're welcome at the White House because they may like or respect McCourty for whatever reason?

Let you show you how this works Ian:

"Jim Brown who is respected and loved by millions of more people than Devin McCourty will ever know has already met at least once with President Trump and would be more than happy to meet with him again at the White House. This speaks loudly."

This is getting to be one of the major reasons why I don't give a crap about sports anymore and why I won't waste one second watching or listening to any of these talking heads spew their nonsense. 

Good point Keil.  The over the top politics was getting seriously out of hand in this thread. 

Save politics for PM folks.  Keil is listening.  

What would Mark Chmura do?

Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:

Good point Keil.  The over the top politics was getting seriously out of hand in this thread. 

Save politics for PM folks.  Keil is listening.  

Does anybody need my PM address?

DH13 posted:

 

Fedya posted:

Didn't we see Rodgers against these Falcons 2 weeks ago? What was the result?

Yes, but we didn't see him with 4 healthy starting receivers, 2 healthy starting RB's or even 4 healthy starting OLmen.    I think the point of the earlier comment was putting AR in NE's offense.  And I totally agree.  AR makes those throws left handed.

If we gave New England's defense to Capers and staff and gave Green Bay's defense to Patricia and staff which one performs better? 

Goalline posted:

What would Mark Chmura do?

Bring a prom date to the White House?

Progressives love the free exchange of opinions.... until one differs from theirs.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.  Budd Schulberg said the same thing when he named Communists back in the early 50s.  Suddenly they weren't in favor of free speech.

Sadly, On the Waterfront is not on the TCM schedule this month. 

ChilliJon posted:

DH13 posted:

Yes, but we didn't see him with 4 healthy starting receivers, 2 healthy starting RB's or even 4 healthy starting OLmen.    I think the point of the earlier comment was putting AR in NE's offense.  And I totally agree.  AR makes those throws left handed.

If we gave New England's defense to Capers and staff and gave Green Bay's defense to Patricia and staff which one performs better? 

I would love to know the answer to that.

Hands down, Matt Patricia's group, whichever he's coaching, outperforms any D Capers puts together. 

So I will interrupt the political monkey poo fight with my opinion on Capers and Rodgers.  I think Rodgers would actually be better than Brady in that offense.  He adds the ability to move and which Brady cannot do and I think he would flourish in that offense.  Not saying Brady isn't great not at all I think he is incredible but AR would do quite well.

As for Capers in the NE defense?  I don't think he would do well and I would bet good money BB would have canned him if he performed there like he does in GB.

Agree on Capers getting canned by BB as he canned his OL coach after one horrific season. "Do your job." Dom's is to not ship the bed in the playoffs. Once.