Has to be. There is no way he'd take that job.
Why not? If they give him what he wants he will take it
If he is stupid enough to go to Frisco he's not smart enough for GB. He can get a better gig than that.
If ted doesn't want to step down, then you force him to. The game has passed him by. Time for some fresh new ideas in the GM chair. Waiting for ted to leave is NOT worth losing Elliot over.
The ONLY way Eliot takes that job is if he knows he has his guy picked for the HC gig. And Jed doesn't stop it.
Even then. Jed York is a human cluster **** on an epic scale. I can't see Eliot starting his GM career in SF.
Serious request here...can someone please post some info showing exactly what Eliot Wolf has done for the Packers? I'm not being sarcastic or facetious--I don't know all of the inner workings of the Packer front office to know exactly what he does. I am not saying he shouldn't eventually run the show in GB, but exactly what has he done to show that he's qualified for that job? Everyone sure seems to think he should take over for TT, but I need more info to know why.
Only that he has earned promotions at steady clip and has been/is being groomed for the position. Lack of vision to what he's done is because Ted wants it that way.
Plus he's Ron Wolfs son
Jed will also interview Gutenkunst per Rapoport. Jed is fishing.
Jed has also fired 3 HC's in 3 years. Further examination of Jed shows he was given his position by his parents. Has been pushed out of key positions only to weasel his way back in. I understand the want to build something from disarray, but this ain't Eddie DeBartolo he will be dealing with.
GM's usually only get one chance at their position. However, Eliot is only 34 so he would probably get more than one chance at it over his entire career. Anyways, change is coming, one way or another.
It's a business. I'm sure Eliot has an agent. Things will get worked out for him to stay in GB.
GreenNgoldBlood posted:If ted doesn't want to step down, then you force him to. The game has passed him by. Time for some fresh new ideas in the GM chair. Waiting for ted to leave is NOT worth losing Elliot over.
The game has passed who by? Sheesh.
TT: "I feel fine". As long as Ted wants to keep feeling fine as the Packers' GM, that's fine with me.
Maynard posted:Serious request here...can someone please post some info showing exactly what Eliot Wolf has done for the Packers? I'm not being sarcastic or facetious--I don't know all of the inner workings of the Packer front office to know exactly what he does. I am not saying he shouldn't eventually run the show in GB, but exactly what has he done to show that he's qualified for that job? Everyone sure seems to think he should take over for TT, but I need more info to know why.
Maynard, building on GC's response to this question, this is a pretty good place to start:
http://www.packers.com/team/st...b5-8d85-11e979ac48b3
Short version, here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_Wolf
The guy's only 34 and his resume is one heck of a lot better than people twice his age.
He'd have been weeded out a long time ago if he couldn't cut the mustard, and Ron Wolf would be the first to agree with that.
Green Crustacean posted:GM's usually only get one chance at their position. However, Eliot is only 34 so he would probably get more than one chance at it over his entire career. Anyways, change is coming, one way or another.
PSA: We don't know what we don't know.
ilcuqui posted:Green Crustacean posted:GM's usually only get one chance at their position. However, Eliot is only 34 so he would probably get more than one chance at it over his entire career. Anyways, change is coming, one way or another.
PSA: We don't know what we don't know.
Right. I stole the first sentence from Sirius XM radio today (Pat Kirwan). My conjecture is the second sentence after considering Eliot's Dad, Bobby Beatherd, and Bill Polian. They did it with more than one team. I don't see GM's in this day and age change much so I consider Kirwan more informed.
With regard to change, I can't see a scenario where Ted stays in his current position and still retains big parts of his staff. Something likely will happen vs. status quo, that's all.
Best thing on Eliot's resume is the success of Schneider, McKenzie and Dorsey.
Thank you, Heyward. We'll be in touch.
Eliot has watched and learned from Ted, Schneider, McKenzie and Dorsey.
I could maybe, maybe see Gutenkunst having interest in SF because he's 43 and how many more options is he going to see? Not Eliot.
The Packer GM gig will always be a plum job.
People will be lined up all the way to Suamico!
Yeah, SF is a dumpster fire...
Packers very well could have leaked Thompson rumor to get wolf a gig elsewhere.
Green Bay's MO for a while has been cut your teeth in GB, go prove yourself elsewhere and then come back.
Otherwise take people who may not have history in GB but learned on the job with other organizations.
Thanks for the info all...pretty impressive. I just wanted to make sure it was more than just his last name. My dad has a nice, successful cheese store, but no way I could step in and run it just because I'm his son!
No plug for said cheese shop, Maynard?
Spill it, Maynard!
Is it too early to call for 'post of the year'?
Perspective.
GB has won 5 NFCN titles in last 6 years, most in the NFC over that span with no other NFC club winning more than 3 div. titles since '11.
Orlando Wolf posted:Green Bay's MO for a while has been cut your teeth in GB, go prove yourself elsewhere and then come back.
Honest questionâĶwho are all the people who cut their teeth in GB, proved themselves elsewhere, and came back? Is this a reference to TT? Is there anyone else who fits this pattern?
I think the real MO has been let talent leave the building and watch it thrive elsewhere. McKenize, Dorsey, Schneider...
GreenNgoldBlood posted:If ted doesn't want to step down, then you force him to. The game has passed him by. Time for some fresh new ideas in the GM chair. Waiting for ted to leave is NOT worth losing Elliot over.
This shows the same assumptions that your last post shows: That what you don't know MUST be an improvement over the the status quo.
NFL. com lists R White and C Woodson as the 1st and 6th BEST FA signings since true free agency began. Definitive? No but it's a decent starting point. God told Reggie to come to Green Bay. No one else wanted Woodson. The GM didn't really factor in either case.
Difference making free agents are rare. More rare than 1st pick busts. To advocate a new GM because he will be more active in the general FA market ignores this fact.
The draft and develop paradigm has yielded 8 consecutive playoff seasons for the Packers. That's tied for the best with the Pats. Those 2 and the Seahawks (3rd in consecutive playoffs with 5) each have one Superb Owl win in the last 8 years.
Veteran free agents generally don't win Lombardis. More often, they **** up your salary cap.
"The draft and develop paradigm has yielded 8 consecutive playoff seasons for the Packers."
I think #12 talent level has more to do with it than anything else. That same paradigm you speak of has yielded defenses that have had historical melt downs.
Who gives a **** about Wolf, now I just want some Venezuelan beaver cheese.
I think the bigger concern in this whole scenario is the drain of FO talent over the past few years. It has to leave a dent at some point.
Rockin' Robin posted:Orlando Wolf posted:Green Bay's MO for a while has been cut your teeth in GB, go prove yourself elsewhere and then come back.
Honest questionâĶwho are all the people who cut their teeth in GB, proved themselves elsewhere, and came back? Is this a reference to TT? Is there anyone else who fits this pattern?
I think the real MO has been let talent leave the building and watch it thrive elsewhere. McKenize, Dorsey, Schneider...
Thompson, McCarthy, Sherman, Rhodes.
Orlando Wolf posted:Thompson, McCarthy, Sherman, Rhodes.
Three of those four examples are coaches, not personnel guys. Sure, if you expand to coaches, you'll find some additional examples of guys coming back to GB, but even that won't come close to matching the number of talented guys who left GB as coaches and have yet to come back (Gruden, Reid, Mariucci, etc.)
But even if you include coaches, I would hardly describe Rhodes and McCarthy as "cutting their teeth" in GB. Rhodes was a defensive assistant in SF for a decade and had 4 SB rings before stepping foot in GB. McCarthy was QB coach for four years in KC before spending a single year in the same position in GB.
The MO in GB on the personnel side has been to let talented personnel leave. That's part of life in the NFL when you have success. But after watching three great ones leave without being truly replaced, there's legit concern you may lose a couple of more if TT decides to stay around.
KC personnel exec Chris Ballard told Jed York to **** off when York invited him to interview for the 49erGM post.
Now. It's not surprising that Ballard would tell Jed York to **** off because, well, Jed York.
It is kind of surprising given that Dorsey isn't likely to be going anywhere anytime soon. Right???
heyward posted:Best thing on Eliot's resume is the success of Schneider, McKenzie and Dorsey.
Agree with this. No way to really know if Eliot will be like his father or closer to Mike Sherman but the best indication is to look at what others have done since leaving the organization and there's a pretty good record of success there.
Seems like the best thread for this.
Insider alert: ESPN analyst Louis Riddick will interview next week in NY for 49ers' GM job, per sources.
â Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 3, 2017
Tomsula for GM. Probably the only guy who would take the job.
If you are asked to interview for a GM position, you have to, otherwise you get labeled as a guy who isn't hungry.
Working for Jed York is like working for Jerruh Jones...it will take either someone desperate to be a GM, or a gifted a$$hole-whisperer to deal with that twat.
Jeddy Forrest Gumped his way into hiring Harbaugh, and then his fragile little ego couldn't handle all the credit JH was getting for their success and ran him off.
Whiners will be a dumpster fire as long as Jeddy is in charge.
ChilliJon posted:KC personnel exec Chris Ballard told Jed York to **** off when York invited him to interview for the 49erGM post.
Now. It's not surprising that Ballard would tell Jed York to **** off because, well, Jed York.
It is kind of surprising given that Dorsey isn't likely to be going anywhere anytime soon. Right???
Ballard is comfy working with Dorsey. They all come from the Ron Wolf tree & Packers org. They all know that to be successful in this league you need to be a GM with 100% authority over the football decisions. Jed York will never allow that. If you remember, Reggie McKenzie turned down interviews to other orgs that had meddling owners.
Yes. the Packers org supplies the league with talent on the field as well as in the front office. It's good for the NFL & generates tremendous competition.