And then he'll be done. He'll be happier, GB will have more money, and fans will be happier. All will be satisfied in the land of Green-and-Gold.
Hungry5 posted:lovepack posted:Maybe we can build a secondary that scares people, instead of one that excites them.
Maybe they have, but injuries have curtailed the progress?
Shields is one of the best in the league. Randall and Rollins have shown moments of great ball awareness, toughness, and coverage ability. Now, in their 2nd year, how have their injuries throughout the year hampered/limited them? Randall has been on/off the injury report since week 5 with a groin and similarly Rollins since week 6, also with a groin. They both missed weeks 7 & 8, and Randall continued to be out for weeks 9, 10, & 11.
Last year folks were all over Adams, yet as has been mentioned often this year (here and from 1265), he was injured most of 2015. Look at what a healthy Adams does for the offense.
If there were healthier/better options for Adams last year or Randall and Rollins this year, does anyone truly believe Thompson would ignore them completely?
Not only Adams but many questioned the toughness of Monty. I guess he showed how much an injury can affect a players performance, even when he is out there doing his best as he can. He looks like a totally different player this season.
This should be remembered when considering Randall and Rollins play this year. They didn't all of a sudden get slow, timid and lost compared to their rookie year. There is clearly more going on.
Very interesting article about GB's front office machinations.
http://www.packersnews.com/sto...lfs-future/96154940/
I found this quote to be particularly noteworthy:
"This week I learned from one NFL source that at least a couple of members of the Packers’ executive committee are concerned about losing Wolf and want him promoted to GM this offseason."
Because from the article it does not sound like TT is ready to move on.
Didn't the executive committee lead 20 years of darkness from 71 to 91 until Harlan was made president? Harlan took the bull by the horns, fired Braatz, and gave free reign to Wolf over all football operations and didn't care about permission.
I don't care what a couple members of the executive committee think. And Murphy ain't Harlan.
Ted should be allowed to pick his guy.
Man Baby Jed York is interviewing head coaches already. If Eliot wants that then good luck and God bless.
How much power do the "members of the Packers’ executive committee" have, really? Harlan didn't answer to them with regard to the football operations, how will Murphy deal with them in this area?
Murphy scares me. Not going to lie.
Yeah, certainly don't have near the trust in Murphy that Harlan commanded.
Guessing that Wolf is being allowed to interview cause Ted isn't ready to hang em up. Who knows, maybe the young Wolf wants to go where he won't be in his fathers shadow ?
Hopefully Murphy isn't targeting Ball at the cost of losing a top talent evaluator. Would much prefer someone with a personnel background like Wolf, Gutekunst, Highsmith, or even Schnieder to Russ Ball. JMO
It never hurts to interview. You can learn a lot about yourself by doing interviews. Wolf will see how much better the Packer organization is, even tho he may be in the #2 position, and could very well turn down any job offered.
Agree. It's nice to be courted.
At the end of the day, Jed York is a tool with a gigantic ego that wants final say in personnel. I'd be very surprised if Eliot or Brian want to leave the structure of Green Bay for the Jed York freak show.
This might be the biggest factor if/when Wolf leaves GB.
Who knows, maybe the young Wolf wants to go where he won't be in his fathers shadow ?
Failing in SFO or BUF would be a lot easier than failing in GB. Also, succeeding elsewhere could be viewed as a bigger accomplishment than just keeping the train rolling in GB.
Murphy says there is a succession plan. McCarthy talks about trusting the process. Thompson has never flinched and is consistent to a fault from many fans perspective. Better the devil you know.
All I'll add to this is Russ Ball is not the answer. He's a finance guy and always has been.
Agreed, don't see Ball as a GM option, unless Thompson stays as the Director of Scouting and Ball defers to him on all player moves. So, essentially no change from their current working relationship, just title and compensation changes. 
Next week, #49ers front-office caravan will hit Seattle to interview execs Scott Fitterer & Trent Kirchner, along with OL coach Tom Cable
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) January 5, 2017
Considering all the things TT hasn't said over the last 10 years, are we all just taking his "i'm fine" comment at face value? If he was considering transitioning out of the GM role would he really let anyone outside 1265 know his intentions? Come on, man!
Hungry5 posted:This might be the biggest factor if/when Wolf leaves GB.
Who knows, maybe the young Wolf wants to go where he won't be in his fathers shadow ?
Failing in SFO or BUF would be a lot easier than failing in GB. Also, succeeding elsewhere could be viewed as a bigger accomplishment than just keeping the train rolling in GB.
Murphy says there is a succession plan. McCarthy talks about trusting the process. Thompson has never flinched and is consistent to a fault from many fans perspective. Better the devil you know.
I agree with many here that Murphy isn't Harlan (but who could be honestly?) but I do trust the organization as a whole and I fully trust there is a solid plan in place for succession. There is a reason this organization has been arguably one of the most successful in the NFL for the last 24 or so years and that is they have a plan. They are steady, they are calm, and they have their crap together. They always seem to have a plan and that is what I will trust in because I remember the dark years only too well when there was absolutely NO plan or leadership.
Great post, Heckler.
Look, to me Mark Murphy is just about as much an enigma as Ted. Yes he made some mistakes during the Bert drama but let's not forget Murph was brand new in the position and walked in to a hornets' nest that IMO no other current top NFL team exec could've handled well except perhaps Bill Belichick.
All Mark has done since then is ensure that the Packer/Lambeau/Titletown brand will be a massive revenue and goodwill pump for DECADES to come. Plus provide a fan friendly and amiable outlook and perspective to counter Ted's invisible man and Mike's matter-of-fact coachspeak guy personas. He, Murphy, is a most fitting successor to Bob Harlan, in my view.
Don't get fooled by the gap-toothed regular guy talk and demeanor. We don't know what we don't know.
I sure as heck don't underestimate Mark Murphy.
from my 5k foot view, since nobody knows for real what happens @1265, murphy seems to be more focused around making the franchise successful off the field, it doesn't surprise me that he may not be as engaged maybe as harlan was in making football decisions. heck, go to lambeau, you will see the whole 'experience' just 15 years ago, none of that existed...stadium looked like a prison, no hof to speak of, our merchandising existed of going to k-mart down the street, now its a beautiful thing.
One other thought on Murphy compared to Harlan. Their jobs are so different in the first couple years of their tenures it is insane. Look at Harlan and what he had to overcome. 25 years of the team being ran insanely bad and the board was calling all the shots. He had to change the entire culture of the organization. He had to get the board out of the way, get a GM in there who knew what they were doing, and he needed to get things headed in the right direction and put out the dumpster fire.
Murphy? his job is so completely different you just cant compare the two. IMHO for him it is a case of "don't F** a great thing up and grow the team". Sure he has his challenges but to me it is more of a case of making sure it is rock steady financially and from the top down to ensure things are ran well. I think he has done an amazing job so far.
Hungry5 posted:This might be the biggest factor if/when Wolf leaves GB.
Who knows, maybe the young Wolf wants to go where he won't be in his fathers shadow ?
Failing in SFO or BUF would be a lot easier than failing in GB. Also, succeeding elsewhere could be viewed as a bigger accomplishment than just keeping the train rolling in GB.
Murphy says there is a succession plan. McCarthy talks about trusting the process. Thompson has never flinched and is consistent to a fault from many fans perspective. Better the devil you know.
On the flip side though, history tells us it's more likely even a good GM will flop in places with crappy owners like SF and BUF. Failing badly, even in a place where everyone knows there's a difficult owner, still leaves a stain on your career. Scot McCloughlan had to lay low in Seattle's personnel department for 4 years before he got another GM gig. It takes a special kind of person, like Reggie McKenzie, to build a winner despite a meddling/difficult owner.
TT was always known as a Ron Wolf disciple until he forged his own legacy in GB with his unique style and consistent success. Eliot would do the same if he was successful.
Murphy? He is all about the money. He is making Lambeau unaffordable.
And just to note, Wolf turned down his first offer of a GM position because he would not have had full control. I can't believe his son wouldn't learn that most important lesson.
GBFanForLife posted:Murphy? He is all about the money. He is making Lambeau unaffordable.
Following the Disney model.
Boris posted:Agree. It's nice to be courted.
At the end of the day, Jed York is a tool with a gigantic ego that wants final say in personnel. I'd be very surprised if Eliot or Brian want to leave the structure of Green Bay for the Jed York freak show.
2.5 million salary increase over the next 3 years. Not so easy to say no to that.
It makes sense to some extent, he played for GB and worked for GB almost his entire career. He also doesn't have final say over personnel in KC I believe. Is that right? I thought they said Reid would have final say when he came to KC. Some of you would probably be disappointed as he is a draft a develop style GM. I don't think they have dipped too often in FA.
Drafted and developed a domestic abuser, a fast, shifty, productive abuser.
I thought Rapaport had inside scoop it's gonna be Wolf? Now he has inside scoop it's gonna be Dorsey? Which is it Ian?
I just noticed that all of the Chiefs WRs all have jersey numbers in the teens. That really bugs me for some unknown reason.
I think this makes a lot of sense, and might even be the best case scenario. This isn't exactly the best situation to see if a guy can cut it as GM. I'd value track record and familiarity over pedigree and potential.
That said, the report seems like dot connecting more than anything. What's the actual scoop? Execs think highly of Dorsey?
This does make a ton of sense, and Wolf interviewing while Ballard doesn't sure seems to fuel this idea. But did I miss any actual new info in the report?
I think it's a **** ton of conjecture at this point. I'm not worried about losing Elliot. The guy is young and he's going to take his lumps. Schneider may be the only "young" GM to be successful and that came hand in hand with Cheaty Pete.
Would I be good with Elliot as GM with Thompson being senior scout and consult? Sure would. But losing Elliot isn't the end of the world. If guys like Dorsey are actually showing interest it's obviously a good match. I'm wondering if the Dorsey rumor comes with Reid's extension. Maybe they are looking at giving Reid both jobs or more control in general.
Lets see what Uncle Tranny Ted "I'm fine" Thompson does first.
Draft & Develop is the way to go.
Be VERY selective in FA & find the bargains
Rusty posted:I just noticed that all of the Chiefs WRs all have jersey numbers in the teens. That really bugs me for some unknown reason.
Should I remove them from your lawn, old man?
A statue at Lambeau.
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Coaching matters, even with a HOF QB. Favre. Childress.
FreeSafety posted:Boris posted:Draft & Develop is the way to go.
Be VERY selective in FA & find the bargains
Or use a ton of FA like the Patriots do.....
The real key is get a HOF level QB and then everything else you do doesn't really matter.
Either way, the key is not to massively overpay for anyone in free agency - unless it's to get a franchise QB (and then you better be right).
Drew Brees to the Saints and Peyton Manning to the Broncos - good moves
Brock Osweiler to the Texans - not so much
Cutler to Bears. Turns out trades are good for Packers.
Interesting comment from Wilde on the radio with Chmura yesterday (ESPN Wisconsin pre-game). Paraphrasing
Dorsey is very well respected in GB. Has something Eliot does not, GM experience. A move now likely would have to be something Thompson is 1000% on board with. Then he said, Of all the lieutenants who've worked with Thompson, John Dorsey is the closest with Thompson in terms of relationship.
Here, starting at about the 13:00 mark.
Keep in mind, Chmura has admitted to having 20+ concussions during his career (HS - Pro).
Hungry5 posted:Coaching matters, even with a HOF QB. Favre. Childress.
I think it proves the opposite.
A HOF QB, Favre, can take an average team with a terrible coach to the brink of the SB in just two years.
It makes sense that TT would value a guy like Dorsey over the neophytes Wolf or Gutekunst to run the best franchise in sports
Dorsey just re-upped Andy Reid with an extension, maybe he is making plans for a transition in KC....