Goalline posted:Teddy, do not draft any former safeties, basketball players or short stops and expect them to play corner for us. In fact, if a player has so much as touched a round ball, they should be banned from playing corner for the Green Bay Packers.
So let's say Marlon Humphrey scratches his fruit bag every morning. Does that count?
"Teddy, do not draft any former safeties, basketball players or short stops and expect them to play corner for us. In fact, if a player has so much as touched a round ball, they should be banned from playing corner for the Green Bay Packers."
Small schools/ out of position/different sports- TT does this because these guys have the measurables to run and twitch with the Julio Jones types. Football playing supermen are gone by time the Packers pick. Deion Sanders is not available. The "average" NFL corner (who was drafted fairly high from a major program) is getting eaten alive by elite receivers.
Maybe, just maybe the guy will develop into something special. Nick Collins was overdrafted. He worked out OK. Sam Shields did too.
grignon posted:
Small schools/ out of position/different sports- TT does this because these guys have the measurables to run and twitch with the Julio Jones types. Football playing supermen are gone by time the Packers pick. Deion Sanders is not available. The "average" NFL corner (who was drafted fairly high from a major program) is getting eaten alive by elite receivers.
See Sherman, Richard.
grignon posted:Small schools/ out of position/different sports- TT does this because these guys have the measurables to run and twitch with the Julio Jones types. Football playing supermen are gone by time the Packers pick. Deion Sanders is not available. The "average" NFL corner (who was drafted fairly high from a major program) is getting eaten alive by elite receivers.
Um, very few of the best CBs in the league right now were first-round picks, so your claim none of those guys are around when the Packers pick lacks validity.
Dr.-Ka-Bong posted:Are you saying Julius Peppers cannot be converted to a corner?
Don't you dare.
Goalline posted:Tdog posted:"that Baalke, who was fired at the end of the season, could join Thompson in Green Bay. They’re close friends, and Baalke grew up in Rosendale, Wis."
Rosendale? no chit? population 1,063. wow.
563 of those residents are traffic cops.
I'm going down to Rosendale, got my radar on my dash.
If the traffic cops don't like it, you know they can kiss my ass.
The Heckler posted: ...Which brings me to a thought. If we as fans behind keyboards can see the issues on defense so obviously you would have to think that NFL players would be seeing it as well...
Opposing OC's sure as hell can see it.
ChilliJon posted:Goalline posted:Teddy, do not draft any former safeties, basketball players or short stops and expect them to play corner for us. In fact, if a player has so much as touched a round ball, they should be banned from playing corner for the Green Bay Packers.
So let's say Marlon Humphrey scratches his fruit bag every morning. Does that count?
Up for debate.
antooo posted:Goalline posted:Tdog posted:"that Baalke, who was fired at the end of the season, could join Thompson in Green Bay. They’re close friends, and Baalke grew up in Rosendale, Wis."
Rosendale? no chit? population 1,063. wow.
563 of those residents are traffic cops.
I'm going down to Rosendale, got my radar on my dash.
If the traffic cops don't like it, you know they can kiss my ass.
They probably will. Business ain't what it used to be for the Rosendale cops.
Packers reloading? I wonder if TT will be more inclined to use free agency now that his time as GM may be winding down and with Rodgers still in his prime but not getting any younger. The window is still open but maybe slowly closing. TT to go all in? Not so sure.
Ian Rappaport is reporting Ted will be more active, but this is also the guy that said we could see Ted step aside this spring. Take it for what you will.
I will say that the certain cuts of of Shields and Starks will add $11M to the pool he likely wasn't planning on. Pay cuts for Cobb and Matthews are a long shot, but could possibly add even more wiggle room. Couple this new found flexibility with the fact that the team has few actual "must resigns" in FA over the next two offseasons, there's maybe more of a case for a deeper dive in FA this year.
Just don't hold your breath waiting for Ted to wait in any driveways on midnight of free agency.
I personally would like to see the team load up with more vets across the board and not blockbuster **** either. Yeah, don't wait out the guys getting no contract offers but don't dump a whole ****load on one guy. There is talent on this team. They need a steadying presence in a few positions.
Doesn't a report about the Packers' increasing FA activity come out almost every year?
Ian Rappaport (whose initials = IR, just saying .....) reports Ted will be more active and states his reasons, then at the he says more than likely he will do what he always does. The headline sells - the conclusion is nothing is changed. Yawn! I don't think Shields will be back so we should invest at CB. Then draft one too. Make those hot shot CBs we played this year earn their roster spots.
And yes, I think I hear this every year. I also hear we will trade ......, that TT will do this or that in the draft, etc. May be we should call them "noacticles" - which means "no action articles".
Expectations need to be tempered, in the past Ted has pursued free agents where he doesn't have youth with upside, he doesn't think he can get a rookie replacement, and the player won't command a monster investment. He pursued Jared Cook when it became obvious Rodgers had limited upside and the draft was relatively weak at TE. He pursued Peppers when Matthews was struggling with injuries and there were no options on the team or where they would pick in the draft. He got Woodson when Ahmad Carroll was our #2 and the draft looked pretty light at CB.
Where are we heading in to 2017?
Unless he's going full tendency break, I don't think he's really active in FA. Maybe to improve some depth, but he's not going all-in on 1 or 2 players.
What did Taylor do wrong?
Is AR tempering his expectations?
If Ted trades, it's minutes before the pick. He is not going to tip his hand before he needs to. #RiverboatGambler
Hopefully he is. I don't think Taylor did much wrong, but I don't think he's a long term answer. Maybe he will get better with more experience.
Dre Kilpatrick and Trumaine Johnson are probably the prime CB candidates... both coming off down years but have shown they can play, and both right in that prime age range 26-27.
$10-13M per to fight for those guys.
Theyll need to get HHCD extended before they do anything in guessing...
Packy posted:Packers reloading? I wonder if TT will be more inclined to use free agency now that his time as GM may be winding down and with Rodgers still in his prime but not getting any younger. The window is still open but maybe slowly closing. TT to go all in? Not so sure.
Seriously though, if TT does go after sexy, expensive free agents it is not because he is desperate. It will be a paradigm shift for him, because in TT's mind, expensive free agents will make his team worse, not better.
Maybe he will shoot the wad, go all in, win it all and ride off into the sunset.
#letyounglobodealwiththemess
"He pursued Peppers when Matthews was struggling with injuries"
He pursued Peppers when it wouldn't cost him a comp pick. Can't add vet leadership at the expense of a 6th rounder ya know.
"he pursued Jared Cook when it became obvious Rodgers had limited upside and the draft was relatively weak at TE."
2nd verse, same as the 1rst
There are always needs, the key is can he get a FA without it costing in the comp pick equation. That's when Ted is willing to play, otherwise, he simply hasn't shown any interest.
The only value I can see in Ted's affinity for RD7 picks is packaging them to move up somewhere in a higher round. Otherwise, the 7th round hasn't produced jack. He gets more mileage out of UDFA's. The sixth round hasn't been much better.
Ted's going to have to break rank and get Trumaine, Bouye, or possibly Gilmore as a FA. Draft Takk McKinley in round 1. Fire Dom and Moss. I can't believe I keep coming back to Rex Ryan bringing his brand of 3-4 mayhem to GB but I'm scared ****less it will be business as usual and we're having this same discussion again in 365 days. Ted has to get outside his comfort zone. One good edge rusher or CB isn't going to put GB into cap hell. IMO GB is one good edge rusher or CB with coaching away from a defense that should be able to slow down an offense enough for Aaron to get Green Bay back to the Super Bowl.
And Dom Capers sucks.
Why waste any money on Datone Jones?
They do need some veteran presence in the deep patrol.
Spend the money, as the Giants did, on the defense. Worry about cap problems after the 2019 season, when AR will be in the twilight of his career. The time is now.
excalibur posted:Spend the money, as the Giants did, on the defense. Worry about cap problems after the 2019 season, when AR will be in the twilight of his career. The time is now.
So, the same Giants team we knocked out of the playoffs? That's your example?
Well...it did take AR to knock them out. He's on our side.
This isn't Minneapolis.
If Teds steps up and goes ALL IN on Bouye, I will be impressed, otherwise, I'm sure it will be a few relatively minor(but breaking the bank in Ted's world), FA signings as usual...Just ONCE i would love to hear the Packers signing someone at 12:05 am..Two things will happen here the way I see it...1. Ted will get in contact with someone early and set up a visit, said visit will occur and then Ted will let them get out of Green Bay and within a day or two they will sign somewhere else(ie he will drag his feet, sweating profusely thinking about the $$ he might have to spend...oh the horror). 2. He will once again wait until a few weeks into FA when bargain prices are robust and Ted gets all excited..THEN he will sign someone. Basically, nothing to see here..it won't be anyone major I'm sure. *sigh*
Kind of like Cook.
I want Bouye so I can go all Flavor Flav when he makes a play.
You're going to wear a giant clock on a chain around your neck?
Goalline posted:excalibur posted:Spend the money, as the Giants did, on the defense. Worry about cap problems after the 2019 season, when AR will be in the twilight of his career. The time is now.
So, the same Giants team we knocked out of the playoffs? That's your example?
The defense is what got the Giants to that point. Their offense was mediocre.
Did you watch that game? The drops by the Giants swung that game.
Fedya posted:You're going to wear a giant clock on a chain around your neck?
The traffic cops in Rosendale are less predictable than TT
While I expect he will probably make some moves like resigning Lang and Cook and maybe Perry I have zero expectations that he will sign a big dollar CB or OLB or DL. That's just not what he does and he's not going to deviate now.
It's no different than Dom Capers but the difference is that unlike TT the other guy hasn't delivered on his end. It's amazing to me how people continue to give the guy a pass. Why? 2010? That team D had incredible talent and why should it have to take 5-6 Pro Bowlers on D to win a Super Bowl? Woodson and Collins and Raji and Shields aren't walking through the door but the D is good enough with this offense to win and win big.
Allowing 30 PPG in the playoffs is what Dom's D has become and it shouldn't have to take a perfect effort from Rodgers to win playoff games.
Turn the page on Dom already
excalibur posted:Goalline posted:excalibur posted:Spend the money, as the Giants did, on the defense. Worry about cap problems after the 2019 season, when AR will be in the twilight of his career. The time is now.
So, the same Giants team we knocked out of the playoffs? That's your example?
The defense is what got the Giants to that point. Their offense was mediocre.
Did you watch that game? The drops by the Giants swung that game.
Nope, missed the game. I never watch Packers games. I leave it to simple fans who fail to realize that if you blow your wad on defense you leave the offense exposed...like the Giants???
Actually the Giants are a decent example of how adding a few FA make a difference. The Giant defense was the worst in the league just one year ago. They added a couple of FA in Janoris Jenkins and Olivier Vernon and it significantly improved their defense, and played a big part in them making the playoffs this year.
