The Psychology of Rodgers

In some ways, Rodgers could be an absolute joy for a new coach, or he could be a nightmare if he Rodgers senses that the guy isn't as sharp as he is.  And that new coach will have walk a fine line in giving Aaron constructive criticism without going too far to the point that Aaron gets upset and holds a grudge.  The Packers definitely will need to hit a home run with the new hire, it won't be easy to find the perfect guy.  But if you find a guy that can get the best out of Rodgers, he will reap the benefits and so will the team. 

if a player, any player, is not willing to get on the same page with his coach, he should be on the next bus out of town.   a divided house cannot stand even if the divider is some supposed god of football...

Tdog posted:

if a player, any player, is not willing to get on the same page with his coach, he should be on the next bus out of town.  

I don't disagree. But unfortunately, a 200M contract GB is anchored to throws a pretty big ass fly in that ointment. I heard the soonest the Packers could be out of his contract would be around 2021. There would still be a cap hit but it would be manageable by then. 

So Gute and Co. has to find a HC he can work with. 

Or he makes a Hershell Walker mega trade the likes the NFL has never seen before..

AR, MM to Cleveland for Baker and 3 firsts?   And Joe Shobert.

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

fightphoe93 posted:

In some ways, Rodgers could be an absolute joy for a new coach, or he could be a nightmare if he Rodgers senses that the guy isn't as sharp as he is.  And that new coach will have walk a fine line in giving Aaron constructive criticism without going too far to the point that Aaron gets upset and holds a grudge.  The Packers definitely will need to hit a home run with the new hire, it won't be easy to find the perfect guy.  But if you find a guy that can get the best out of Rodgers, he will reap the benefits and so will the team. 

I also think that if a change is made they have to hit a home run with their choice.  I will go so far as to say that if they make the change this may be the biggest hire they have made in a long time.  

The one thing that I believe would make GB perhaps the most attractive job is that you don't have a true owner to deal with, you have a GM who appears to be very good and very aggressive to get you what you need, and of course you get to work with #12.  

I know some Packers fans seem to believe that the franchise is slipping back in to the abyss but I think we may be surprised just how fast things could turn for the better if things fall just right.

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

He could be after Deanna, she's his type.....beautiful, slim, dark hair

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

Or his new buddy Bert is fueling his ego and that he's the smartest guy in the room. Ala Sherman and Bert 2.0. 

Bill Michaels loves to tell a famous Mike Sherman/Favre exchange. It goes that later in the Sherman/Favre marriage, Favre had a particularly shit game and had just thrown a terrible INT. It wasn't the play Sherman called on the field and the coach was hot about it as Favre walked off the field. Favre saw Sherman's reaction and Favre turned to him and said "What are you going to do about it?". 

Sherman did nothing. Said nothing. 

It was a hallmark example that Sherman had lost Favre's respect and didn't see him the tiniest bit of a threat to benching him or doing anything to him. 

It wouldn't shock me a bit if Bert has relayed that tale to his text buddy Aaron. 

Bert just came out the other day saying he supported McVince.

I don't doubt ego is fully in play.  Could be the Chicago game was the breaking point.  If Rodgers came out the locker room, blew off McVince's game plan and won the game.  That could be it.

Favre with the reverse psychology. 

Keep McCarthy, I don't want to be the OC. Don't give the HC job to Pettine.

Pikes Peak posted:

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

He could be after Deanna, she's his type.....beautiful, slim, dark hair

Boy, wouldn't that be the ultimate revenge by Rodgers for the Bert retirement drama saga...

Lure Bert into thinking they are buddies with no remaining angst.  Then coerce Deanna into a three-way tryst with Rodgers and Danica.  Take pics and text them to Favre...while wearing Crocs.

As noted, Rodgers never seems to forget or forgive.

I can't even imagine Bert as an OC.  It would be pretty hilarious if Pettine pulled the HC job and brought in Bert.  Bert is no Dougie Clipboard.

Maynard posted:

Pikes Peak posted:

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

He could be after Deanna, she's his type.....beautiful, slim, dark hair

Boy, wouldn't that be the ultimate revenge by Rodgers for the Bert retirement drama saga...

Lure Bert into thinking they are buddies with no remaining angst.  Then coerce Deanna into a three-way tryst with Rodgers and Danica.  Take pics and text them to Favre...while wearing Crocs.

As noted, Rodgers never seems to forget or forgive.

Pervert.  

Love it.

Bert for HC?  I thought we wanted someone who could HELP Rodgers' mechanics?

Maynard posted:

Pikes Peak posted:

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

He could be after Deanna, she's his type.....beautiful, slim, dark hair

Boy, wouldn't that be the ultimate revenge by Rodgers for the Bert retirement drama saga...

Lure Bert into thinking they are buddies with no remaining angst.  Then coerce Deanna into a three-way tryst with Rodgers and Danica.  Take pics and text them to Favre...while wearing Crocs.

As noted, Rodgers never seems to forget or forgive.

PPV it would do better than Phil vs Tiger......proceeds to the Cali fire fund

Favre is the son of a coach, so.. 

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

Glad you brought this up.  Malcontents often band together, and you know Favre likely still holds MM in contempt for the "train has left the station" mentality when he and TT tossed Favre aside in 2008.  Wouldn't be surprised if he is in 12's ear talking smack about MM. 

packerboi posted:

When the latest Rodgers family drama occurred last week with his brother Jordan putting Aaron on blast, it got me to thinking about Aaron's family situation and how it likely relates to what's going on with MM and him. 

Aaron Rodgers, for whatever reason, has reportedly cut himself off from his family and also what were at one time, some close friends. From sources like Tyler Dunne when he wrote for JSO, apparently once Aaron "is done with you", he's done with you. He's sent back Christmas presents, cut off his parents and family access to Packer tickets, refuses to answer family calls, didn't check on his Mom or Dad with the wildfires, etc. 

And it's hardly a reach to conclude this same mindset occurred with Mike McCarthy at some point. Some say the fracturing started all the way back to the Cincinnati game when MM and Rodgers had their sideline blow up. That's the same game Jordy Nelson kicked the challenge flag off the field when MM illegally threw it. 

Whatever it was, Rodgers likely decided the relationship with his coach was done. It probably happened a couple years ago, not something new this season.  And let's not forget he also apparently didn't know that his QB coach and friend in Van Pelt was moving on as well. Which I still don't get. Another grudge he reportedly blames MM for. 

When Brian Gutekunst signed Aaron to an extension, with it came his personality and perhaps his inability to let go of grudges and never forgiving people if you crossed him. Remember the whole grudge thing coming out of college/chip on his shoulder shit? He would recall exact word for word conversations of what was said and done that he would never forget and hold that person to.  Again, that's entirely consistent with how his brain works. 

I am not saying Gute made the wrong decision in re-signing him. When his head is on right, he's clearly one of the best in the game. But I think it's also apparent in the next 4-5 years, the Packers are going to need to play a significant game of kid gloving in order to keep his focus, mechanics, and head where it belongs. 

And that makes whomever the HC and QB coach is in 2019 all the more critical of a hiring. 

Good post.  AR definitely has some thin skin working there.  Remember how pissed he was when the comment was made about him being shorter than the person expected?

RochNyFan posted:

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

Glad you brought this up.  Malcontents often band together, and you know Favre likely still holds MM in contempt for the "train has left the station" mentality when he and TT tossed Favre aside in 2008.  Wouldn't be surprised if he is in 12's ear talking smack about MM. 

They didn't "toss Favre aside".  Favre RETIRED.  Then came crawling back looking for his job.  Then threw the organization under the bus.

Boneio posted:

RochNyFan posted:

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

Glad you brought this up.  Malcontents often band together, and you know Favre likely still holds MM in contempt for the "train has left the station" mentality when he and TT tossed Favre aside in 2008.  Wouldn't be surprised if he is in 12's ear talking smack about MM. 

They didn't "toss Favre aside".  Favre RETIRED.  Then came crawling back looking for his job.  Then threw the organization under the bus.

In Favre's mind, they tossed him aside.

For additional psychology because the following sure are not physical issues.

How to explain his throw late in the Seattle game to the RB (I think Jones)?  He was like 3 yards away and the ball was in the dirt, off by several feet.  Similar play in the Viking game.

What is the psychology around that?

FF

If Aaron holds a grudge indefinitely, then why is he palling around with Brett?  Seems like a lot of hate on Aaron Rodgers within this forum.  So...when can we expect Aaron's picture in the above x4 title to be removed?   

Winning would curb any hate toward any member of the organization. Not For Long league. 

Esox posted:

If Aaron holds a grudge indefinitely, then why is he palling around with Brett?  

AR never started a grudge with Bert. Bert got pissed at Ted and co for drafting a QB in the first round in 2005 when he thought the Packers had other, more pressing needs. Then Bert let be known it wasn't his job to mold/coach a QB under him. 

Then the divorce happened. AR stayed quiet and didn't say shit from 2005-2008. 

As for "palling" around, Rodgers said Bert and he text here and there. Let's not invent an Oprah and Gail relationship that isn't there. 

What’s the psychological assessment of Tramon letting a punt bounce and hit him in the face mask with 4:50 remaining inside his own 20?

What is the psychological assessment of Kendrick’s whiffing on Smith and blocking nobody and diving into Jones lane while Smith made the tackle on 4th and inches? And this play was the exact moment when the game swung. GB gave Minny two series back to back with short fields that resulted in 10 points. 

What is the psychological assessment of GB keeping 7 in to block 4 but Rodgers being swarmed for a sack in just over 2 seconds? 

This team does such a bad job in the details that have to happen in order for better things to happen. 

The details of this team suck. They have for years. 

Thank you!

What’s the psychological assessment of Tramon letting a punt bounce and hit him in the face mask with 4:50 remaining inside his own 20?

I learned it by watching you, Brandon!

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The chatter about Rodgers being shipped away because he’s not on board with the current staff. Just stop. 

Rodgers not playing within the “confines” of this system is such nonsense because the “confines” of this offense are immediately taken away if anyone other than Aaron Rodgers are taking snaps. Does anyone actually think a defense is concerned about this offense if Rodgers isn’t the QB? 

We have a big enough sample of Wallace, Tolzien, Hundley to know the QB room isn’t fine and highly probable it won’t ever be fine to execute the “confines” of this offense without Rodgers. 

The offense sucks. And it’s not just the QB position. It’s the details Aaron has covered up. 

packerboi posted: 

Oprah and Gail relationship

Really?

What is the psychological assessment of the GBP being the only team in the league still using OL to block on KR when you can't wedge anymore? 

Hungry5 posted:

What is the psychological assessment of the GBP being the only team in the league still using OL to block on KR when you can't wedge anymore? 

Zook didn't read the memo.

We do what we do.

RochNyFan posted:

Boneio posted:

RochNyFan posted:

Henry posted:

That doesn't explain his new buddy Bert.

Glad you brought this up.  Malcontents often band together, and you know Favre likely still holds MM in contempt for the "train has left the station" mentality when he and TT tossed Favre aside in 2008.  Wouldn't be surprised if he is in 12's ear talking smack about MM. 

They didn't "toss Favre aside".  Favre RETIRED.  Then came crawling back looking for his job.  Then threw the organization under the bus.

In Favre's mind, they tossed him aside.

Again, Bert just recently came out in support of McVince.

Some of the speculation happening on this board right now is getting to the point of hysterics.  

Gee, how quickly can a new coach make an impact?  Look no further than your Milwaukee Bucks.

And before anyone says “the Bucks aren’t in the NFL” I would argue Giannis is every much a star as Rodgers and they have talent to win. 

Then there is the money angle with Rodgers which might be the dumbest thing I’ve heard.  You think that might be the problem?  I say **** you joeboo I do it myself. 

CMIII is stealing.  Cobb is stealing.  Nick Perry is absolutely stealing.  Yet people pile on A Rod.  Uh OK. 

The game has passed MM. He has not been the same since his brother died. God bless MM for burying a young brother. Accept that MM is the problem and move on. This consistent disdain for Favre and now Rodgers is hysterical. Two men who significantly add to the tremendous story of the Green Bay Packers, be happy and feel lucky to root for them. 

I can't remember where I read this but the pecking order in pro sports goes like this:

1. Owner

2. General Manager

3. Superstar athlete

4. Head coach

That's MM under AR.