Tiger Woods involved in major roll over accident.

This guy has a DUI conviction and has been involved in accidents. Not a good combination. Hope he pulls out of this.

Yep, a serious concern. And especially eerie since it's almost to the year to the date we lost Kobe.

Woods also underwent yet another back surgery IIRC a month ago. I can only imagine what this accident did to that issue. He's a Dad. More then golf, I hope he pulls through for his family and is able to make a full recovery.     

Per his agent, had to be extracted from the car by the jaws of Life this morning.

They couldn't just take a golf club to the window?

May be the end of his golf career, but I hope he has an even better dad career if that's the case. Looks like he's lucky to be alive from that picture.

Just yesterday, Woods golfed with former Marquette basketball star Dwyane Wade and actress Jada Pinkett Smith:

There were no skid marks or braking marks. He crossed into the opposing lanes, hit a curb and tree. The SUV rolled "several times."  @Kaitlin Knapp  5:12 pm.   

I have driven that stretch of road many a time, my daughter lived just a few streets away.  To me he is pretty lucky.  In just a few minutes, 730 or so and that road would have been packed  with commuters, yoga class ladies,  shoppers etc.  And that is Cali traffic, fast, lane changing, motorcycle between lanes etc.  

Sweet avatar Pikes,        Speedy recovery Tiger.  when you have all the $$$ in the world why not hire a pro to get you there?

@skully posted:

Sweet avatar Pikes,        Speedy recovery Tiger.  when you have all the $$$ in the world why not hire a pro to get you there?

Sometimes that doesn't work out, either. RIP Kobe.

It sounds that without skid marks or anything like braking action or evasive action like he fell asleep at the wheel. If he already has a DUI... who knows?

Tiger Woods en route to film lesson with NFL stars when car crashed

Woods, who has been working with Discovery Networks, was expected to tape two "teaching lessons" at the Rolling Hills County Club at 8 a.m. local time. He was expected to meet with New Orleans Saints legendary quarterback Drew Brees and Los Angeles Chargers up-and-coming star Justin Herbert.

https://www.foxnews.com/sports...tars-prior-car-crash

@Fandame posted:

Sometimes that doesn't work out, either. RIP Kobe.

It sounds that without skid marks or anything like braking action or evasive action like he fell asleep at the wheel. If he already has a DUI... who knows?

It was 7:12AM in the morning........I sure hope he wasn’t drunk.....he had back surgery what, a few weeks ago??  Pain pills perhaps??  It will be interesting to see what comes of this accident.  

@skully posted:

Sweet avatar Pikes,        Speedy recovery Tiger.  when you have all the $$$ in the world why not hire a pro to get you there?

Some people like to drive.

TMZ has learned ... Tiger was staying at a hotel where a major network television show was being shot. Production sources tell TMZ, when the director arrived just before 7 AM, Tiger was driving his SUV very fast as he was leaving the property and almost hit the director's car. The director was shaken enough to tell production staff about it after he parked.

A crew member who saw Tiger as he got in his SUV at the hotel tells TMZ, once Tiger got in his vehicle, there was a delay in driving off -- we're told his SUV was blocked by another car that was loading luggage -- and he appeared "agitated and impatient." The crew member says once the delay was over, Tiger "took off fast”

Golf Digest says Tiger was scheduled to arrive at Riviera Golf Course at 7:30 AM PT for a shoot ... he was reportedly going to give Drew Brees lessons. The issue is Riviera is at least an hour drive from the resort where Tiger was staying. You get the picture ... if he was heading out just before 7 AM, then he knew he was running late.

If only he had the coin to hire a driver.

Or tip someone at the hotel for a wake up call.

@skully posted:

There were no skid marks or braking marks. He crossed into the opposing lanes, hit a curb and tree. The SUV rolled "several times."  @Kaitlin Knapp  5:12 pm.   

I'm guessing he fell asleep at the wheel at -- 7 AM -- Was he partying all night?

Not to be “gossipy”....

Watched an interview he did with Jim Nance the day before and I commented to Mrs. Kiel that he looked a little “off” in the eyes.

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— Tiger Woods (@TigerWoods) February 24, 2021

Those are terrible injuries. In layman's terms, he had multiple, open crushed bone fractures to his lower leg requiring a bunch of hardware to put them back in line, he has something known as compartment syndrome where the MD needs to make large incisions to relieve blood clots/hematomas to relieve pressure to avoid risk of losing the leg, then more screws/pins to straighten bone fractures in his foot.

In context, that's much worse then what Alex Smith dealt with initially.

@Blair Kiel posted:

Not to be “gossipy”....

Watched an interview he did with Jim Nance the day before and I commented to Mrs. Kiel that he looked a little “off” in the eyes.

I'm wondering if it's opiods after back surgery.

NVM, just read the TMZ bit.  That's not opiods.

@packerboi posted:

Those are terrible injuries. In layman's terms, he had multiple, open crushed bone fractures to his lower leg requiring a bunch of hardware to put them back in line, he has something known as compartment syndrome where the MD needs to make large incisions to relieve blood clots/hematomas to relieve pressure to avoid risk of losing the leg, then more screws/pins to straighten bone fractures in his foot.

In context, that's much worse then what Alex Smith dealt with initially.

In context, that's much worse then what Alex Smith dealt with initially..  This could be really bad.....I just hope he’ll be ok, as much mentally as well as physically.  Wow.  🙏🏻

Driving too fast in an unfamiliar vehicle on an unfamiliar road.

@Boris posted:

I'm guessing he fell asleep at the wheel at -- 7 AM -- Was he partying all night?

Report from the hotel is he was agitated and in a hurry (needed to be at a golf course an hour away by 7:30) and nearly hit a car as he rushed out of the parking lot. Could just be a bad combination of being in a hurry and pissed off enough to not use a little common sense.

@packerboi posted:

Those are terrible injuries. In layman's terms, he had multiple, open crushed bone fractures to his lower leg requiring a bunch of hardware to put them back in line, he has something known as compartment syndrome where the MD needs to make large incisions to relieve blood clots/hematomas to relieve pressure to avoid risk of losing the leg, then more screws/pins to straighten bone fractures in his foot.

In context, that's much worse then what Alex Smith dealt with initially.

Yikes if he has something worse that Alex Smith that's horrible.  Hopefully the doctors can keep it from being as bad as Smith had it with infections.

Wow, my wife and I were hiking about a mile away from crash site last weekend. Steep canyon roads, the locals say a lot of accidents happen on that stretch of road when people are driving too fast.

I went to same hospital, Harbor-UCLA medical center when I broke my ankle hiking 7-8 years ago. 14+ hours in ER waiting room.

Hope he recovers.

@PackerHawk posted:

Report from the hotel is he was agitated and in a hurry (needed to be at a golf course an hour away by 7:30) and nearly hit a car as he rushed out of the parking lot. Could just be a bad combination of being in a hurry and pissed off enough to not use a little common sense.

and I’m still thinking drugs from his back surgery.......

He was likely done as a competitive player before this anyway. Having another back operation after a spinal fusion (after 4 previous back surgeries) was likely a sign he's damaged his back more by keeping playing.

Before this, he had 6 different back surgeries, torn his Achilles tendon, torn his ACl, won a US Open on that torn ACl along with stress fractures in both legs, had about 5 other knee surgeries dating back to 1994 (scar tissue in the knee of a 19 year old is a bad sign), and several other surgeries. He's had problems with his neck, elbows, and shoulders.

He's the poster-child for overuse injuries in child athletes. His father decided he was going to be a golfer as a preschooler and he probably had more golf reps by the time he was 18 than most pro golfers have by the time they are 40. Before this most recent accident, his back was probably the equivalent of a 80-year-old (as were his knees). He probably needed a lot of painkillers just to get out of bed.

These recent injuries are catastrophic injuries, but in a way being forced to finally retire from competitive golf may be good for his health in the long term. He may end up walking with a cane for the rest of his life. As bad as that is, spending the next 5-10 years torquing his surgically-repaired back trying to play competitive golf was going to cause even more pain.

He's such a complicated figure, and the events I saw him play live were some of the most memorable sports experiences I've had. He was a geeky, shy kid who stuttered who was so good at golf he missed being a normal adolescent. He became an entitled asshole in his 20s who now has a net worth of over a billion (or soon will) who lead a double life and then got exposed more than any public figure in history (there are a lot of athletes and public figures that do the things Woods did that never get 1/100th of the scrutiny he did). In his most recent iteration, he seems to be well-liked by the younger players and became a mentor to some.

He's also a guy that seems to be well-liked by the people in his life before he became a celebrity (his high school and college friends), seems to be a good father, and has suffered more embarrassment and physical injury than almost any other celebrity in the world.

Here's hoping he recovers enough to do the ceremonial first tee events at the Masters for the next 30 years.

I wonder if you asked him now if he had the choice would he rather have gone down the path of being a billionaire golfer and one of the most successful athletes in history would he chose that path? Or would he rather have just had a more normal life, maybe go to college and business school, and then play golf at his local country club a couple of times a week and have the wife and kids in an average house in a suburb?

I have often expressed to Mrs.Kiel that I would not wish to trade places with him...She disagrees....

@Blair Kiel posted:

I have often expressed to Mrs.Kiel that I would not wish to trade places with him...She disagrees....

What he really needed was a friend, parent, or peer that would have been around to knock him upside the head when he was being an idiot. Instead, he was surrounded by people that were making a lot of money off of him that told him what he wanted to hear.

His father was too busy making him mentally tough (and doing the lecture circuit on how to be a golf parent) to be a typical father.

Even worse, he got taken in by Michael Jordan and Barkley to hit the party circuit in Vegas. Those guys made Woods look like an amateur in terms of being a partier and a womanizer and weren't exactly the role models he needed.

He probably married his wife in large part because his image consultants were telling him it would be good for his marketing.

Instead of marrying he should've continued the Billionaire playboy lifestyle. Nobody would've said a thing, because he wasn't married. He would've been Bruce Wayne.

Of course in your 20's you don't really know which path to choose. He was trying to do the right thing back then but liked the party lifestyle.

Hey, he's still alive. Winning, Competitive golf in his future? Probably not, but he's alive for his kids & by all accounts a good father.

Tiger Woods is truly a paradox.  Great golfer, flawed character.  Not unlike some other greats in the sporting world.  The issue with Woods is he has fought his entire life to be someone that people want him to be.   But to whom?  And for what reason?

His Boy Scout image was part of the brand development that was embraced early on given his background.   Or to put it another way, his image was meant to cater to and confirm to an audience used to seeing mostly white, conservative players. But the image also touched those not usually drawn to golf.  Tiger Woods grew the sport and its popularity well beyond the stuffy, traditional country club standards that existed for decades.  

Of course, as he acquired fame and fortune that wholesome image all came crashing down.  Or did it?   Is it possible that someone so driven and gifted simply has blind spots?  I mean, for as robotic as he seems he is still a human being with needs and desires and emotions.  He’s not perfect, despite how some of the powers that be like to prop up the “good” Tiger, and not the “bad” Tiger.  As we see in professional sports, a lot of people don’t like the “bad” versions of athletes and they are less tolerant as their skills and abilities diminish.  

Charles Barkley once said he’s not a role model.   At least he was being honest about himself.   Most athletes are not.  I think Tiger is probably the least genuine person in sports history.  That’s a shame because I think he’s had a lot of people around him pulling the strings, including his father.   Now he’s aging, breaking down, and almost gets killed in a car accident.  Yet all the morons like Jim Nantz want to know is if he’s playing in the Masters despite being totally jacked up on pain meds (allegedly) after another back surgery?   Fuck Jim Nantz and the rest of his enablers.  

The best thing Tiger could do is stop giving interviews and give a big middle finger to the sport of golf and just walk away and enjoy the rest of his life.  He’s more than earned it.

I was on a flight from Scotland to New York in 2005 and ended up sitting next to a former PGA tour player who had taken a group of wealthy guys to Scotland on a golf trip. This golfer had been bumped from first-class and ended up having to fly coach. I struck up a conversation with him and he had a few drinks and started talking about what life was like on tour. He was also very interested in science, so altogether we talked for about 4 hours.

One of the stories he told was what a heavy partier Woods was and how "he had a different woman or multiple women in every city" they went to on tour. I was surprised and he told me that "most of the guys on tour know about this and that Woods and his wife have an understanding." I thought this former pro was just making stuff up (this was 2005). It turns out that everything he said ended up being true. He also told me some stories about Arnold Palmer and Phil Mickelson that I thought were off-the-wall. Now I wonder if those were true as well.

The point is that a lot of people were aware of Woods' problems (his sponsors, his agents, many PGA pros) and no one seemed to really care. These same people were some of the same ones that jumped ship in 2009 very quickly and acted like it was a total shock to him.

The rise and fall of Kirby Puckett is a cautionary tale to anyone that thinks we really know and understand these people in a true sense based on what they see on TV or in an advertisement or on a billboard.  We don’t.  Not even close.

It’s very possible that Woods really isn’t a good guy at all.  My issue is how people propped him up and benefitted from the wholesome image (and his success) and the minute he wasn’t winning or he got in trouble they kicked him to the curb or changed gears to the next up and coming star.  The way he was shamed by the professional golf community 10 years ago was an embarrassment.  

Who in the golf community shamed Woods? Mrs. Kiel worked for the PGA Tour at that time and still does. The Tour bent over backwards to accommodate tigers apology press conference  and re-emergence.Many many golfers stuck by him. There may have been some that didn’t,  but bear in mind as we’ve seen above, Tiger for lack of a better term could be construed as some thing of a dick. Personally I think despite his high drive and intelligence he just happens to be a socially awkward dude.

While he lost quite a number of sponsorships those were decisions made by corporations for obvious reasons and not the golf community.

He hasn't had a "normal" life since the age of 2.

In 1978, he demonstrated his golf skills in a television appearance on The Mike Douglas Show.

Was on the TV show "That's Incredible" with Fran Tarkenton at age 5.

Einstein had affairs, multiple marriages and a bit of a troubled personal life.

As the the song goes....people are strange.

@H5 posted:

In 1978, he demonstrated his golf skills in a television appearance on The Mike Douglas Show.

As an aside and as an example of the shitty, lazy crap that passes for reporting /journalism these days, last night on ABC Evening News, the Millennial -aged reporter noted that appearance as having been on “The Tonight Show” . The number of lazy and factual  mistakes I see in broadcasting and newspapers  are appalling. The Wall Street Journal remains an outpost of fanatical factual accuracy to their credit.

Overtly biased and lazy. We get the journalism that makes Walter Cronkite roll over in his grave.

Rant over.

And if Miguel Amaguer (or whatever the f his name is) pronounces Wisconsin as “WES-consin” one more time, I’m shooting my tv.

#retiredguyshavetoomuchfreetime

I feel your pain......My grandma, may she RIP,  pronounced it that way.....drove me nuts.

Edit: I never contemplated shooting her, though.....just thought I'd add that in here.

Not uncommon for people who have obsessive personalities that drive them to excel in one thing to have parts of their life that are a mess.